Swine Flu Offical Thread
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When you have people making statements about the flu being a combination of different strains, plus company stocks rising as a result of it, it isn't bullshit. However, the keypoint to remember, and this is very important, is that no one cares what you have explained. So, with that being said, R-E-A-D what I've typed and get a sense of what I'm implying or openly stating before you make a fool of yourself for well...I don't know...the 456,890,345,465,129,456th time?
No, it's YOUR problem. Alone. Do you get it? People don't care about you, or what you have to say, and there is a reason for it. Many people have pointed it out to you and YOU don't care. Tough shit guy, most people throughout your life probably don't care about what you say, so why harp on it? I mean seriously, you post thread after thread with like 2 views, and in one thread you got so upset I had to come in and calm your nerves so you wouldn't commit sushi. Relax...
Which must answer the reason why you speak/type before actually reading what has been posted?
Which must answer the reason why you speak/type before actually reading what has been posted?
Why do you have to assume that it is a conspiracy? Where is the evidence? What's the most parsimonious explanation? If a flu pandemic must be a conspiracy, then was the 1918 one also a conspiracy? People didn't even know that DNA is the genetic material back in 1918, much less that flu is a RNA virus with 8 "chromosomes" that can be mixed together when two strains happen to be in the same cell.
It is some very bad reasoning to jump to the conclusion that it is a conspiracy. And if someone decided to reduce population with a virus, it won't be one that kills less than 10% of the infected
It is some very bad reasoning to jump to the conclusion that it is a conspiracy. And if someone decided to reduce population with a virus, it won't be one that kills less than 10% of the infected
Why do you assume this flu is natural and not a "conspiracy?" Did you read the quote 206 posted? Did you put it in your nifty search engine and see the results? Did you R-E-A-D the link I provided about two companies set to rake in big money as a result of this?
No, I would say that one wasn't. However, considering america has a history of experimenting on people, and practicing bio warfare, I wouldn't be shocked if this is man made. Yes, a flu is a RNA virus, but they're saying this virus is a combination of at least four different strains and a cross-species infection would have to go through a lot of hurdles to occur naturally. However, I'm sure you're going to post something on the contrary, so as long as it helps me understand mRNA and this other shit I have to study for next week, go ahead and post it (sarcasm obviously implied here.)
This is proof you don't read. I was replying to 206. He made a post about it being manmade and I responded with my take on it. In my reply to someone else I spoke about possibly doing this for MONEY and possibly doing it to CLOSE THE BORDERS. Do you understand HEGELIAN DIALECTIC and the thesis, antithesis, synthesis formula?
No, I would say that one wasn't. However, considering america has a history of experimenting on people, and practicing bio warfare, I wouldn't be shocked if this is man made. Yes, a flu is a RNA virus, but they're saying this virus is a combination of at least four different strains and a cross-species infection would have to go through a lot of hurdles to occur naturally. However, I'm sure you're going to post something on the contrary, so as long as it helps me understand mRNA and this other shit I have to study for next week, go ahead and post it (sarcasm obviously implied here.)
This is proof you don't read. I was replying to 206. He made a post about it being manmade and I responded with my take on it. In my reply to someone else I spoke about possibly doing this for MONEY and possibly doing it to CLOSE THE BORDERS. Do you understand HEGELIAN DIALECTIC and the thesis, antithesis, synthesis formula?
1. because flu has been around for much longer than the science needed to create it has existed, and this has been experimentally confirmed by digging up frozen dead bodies from 1918 form the permafrost in Alaska and recreating the virus from the RNA fragments present in them.
Reference:
Tumpey TM, Basler CF, Aguilar PV, Zeng H, Solorzano A, Swayne DE, Cox NJ, Katz JM, Taubenberger JK, Palese P, Garcia-Sastre A. Characterization of the reconstructed 1918 Spanish influenza pandemic virus. Science. October 7, 2005;310(5745):77-80
2. because there are flu viruses infecting all sorts of animals and most of them are specific to these species. If flu was man-made, we would have to conclude that all those viruses are man-made too, which is highly unlikely.
3. because if flu has been around for so long, there had been similar and much worse pandemics long before recombinant DNA technologies were developed, and it exists in the wild and we have plenty of evidence that different flu strains can mix together and create new ones, there is no reason to invoke a conspiracy to explain the one today.
That's a hypothesis consistent with the evidence. However, it is not the simplest hypothesis explaining it.
Why not? It happens all the time, it is just that we don't notice it because it rarely results in lethal strains
If you don't understand the biology behind the discussion, why are you trying to argue? I know that the common folks of the street have this distrust towards scientists and think that we are some evil secret society that plots the destruction of the world, but believe me, this is an absurd idea.
well, you were stating a hypothesis:
and I told you why it is not a good one
I don't see anything wrong with what I did
Reference:
Tumpey TM, Basler CF, Aguilar PV, Zeng H, Solorzano A, Swayne DE, Cox NJ, Katz JM, Taubenberger JK, Palese P, Garcia-Sastre A. Characterization of the reconstructed 1918 Spanish influenza pandemic virus. Science. October 7, 2005;310(5745):77-80
2. because there are flu viruses infecting all sorts of animals and most of them are specific to these species. If flu was man-made, we would have to conclude that all those viruses are man-made too, which is highly unlikely.
3. because if flu has been around for so long, there had been similar and much worse pandemics long before recombinant DNA technologies were developed, and it exists in the wild and we have plenty of evidence that different flu strains can mix together and create new ones, there is no reason to invoke a conspiracy to explain the one today.
That's a hypothesis consistent with the evidence. However, it is not the simplest hypothesis explaining it.
Why not? It happens all the time, it is just that we don't notice it because it rarely results in lethal strains
If you don't understand the biology behind the discussion, why are you trying to argue? I know that the common folks of the street have this distrust towards scientists and think that we are some evil secret society that plots the destruction of the world, but believe me, this is an absurd idea.
well, you were stating a hypothesis:
and I told you why it is not a good one
I don't see anything wrong with what I did
Well since pigs are susceptible to both Avian and human flu strains of influenza, all it would take is a pig being simultaneously infected with both types of influenza. I don't see that being extremely hard to imagine happening, especially considering the conditions that most poultry live in as well as the feed they eat and are exposed to on a routine basis.
You keep replying without reading. We are not talking about "flu", as we know "flu" has veen around. What we are talking about is THIS form of flu. How do we know THIS form of flu was NOT manmade? This form of flu, has NOT existed since 1918 as they are saying this is a never before seen strain. You just said they recreated the virus from RNA fragments present in the 1918 strain, so why is any of this far-fetched?
Again, NO ONE, HERE IN THIS THREAD, has suggested "flu" is man made. However, people are suggesting THIS strain of flu in particular is man made. Please, start R-E-A-D-I-N-G for once. If you don't understand or need clarification just ask. However, none should be needed as it should be painfully obvious that when someone says, "this flu", or "No, I would say that one wasn't." they do not think or suggest all flu viruses are man made.
Again, you have people saying for this strain to occur in the wild, there would have to be too many hoops to jump through. And with madness like the following link, we don't really know what's going on. Sorry, but you lab coats dropped the ball once again.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-resulted-in-pandemic/articleshow/4230882.cms
Your opinion, you are entitled to it.
I already addressed this.
No, I understand the biology behind the discussion. However, a disagreement with your view does not mean I don't understand the biology behind it. Moreover, I'm not "the common folks of the street", and generally don't have a distrust of scientist. In the past, I've said our education system needs to improve in the areas of science, math and technology, and have said african americans can benefit greatly from embracing science. However, I do not consider you a scientist as none of your claims of being a scientist have been verified by anyone here.
I don't think all scientists are part of some evil secret society, and this belief has never been stated or implied by me (I can't speak for anyone else.) However, when you have/had "secret societies" or groups bent on world domination (The Nazi's for example), the american government and a billion dollar industry that is expected to be just under a trillion in a couple of years, you can't sweep it under the rug and blindly believe all scientist have good intentions.
No you didn't. This is what you said:
Let me break it down for you because you still don't understand.
Heresy in response to others: The reason they could possibly be doing this is to make money and to control the border issues.
Fhag in response to Heresy: If you want to reduce population with a virus this isn't the one.
Read that a couple of times and tell me if you and I are talking about the same thing, or if what you've suggested has been remotely related to my suggestion that this was possibly created to make money or to tighten the borders without complaint.
Again, NO ONE, HERE IN THIS THREAD, has suggested "flu" is man made. However, people are suggesting THIS strain of flu in particular is man made. Please, start R-E-A-D-I-N-G for once. If you don't understand or need clarification just ask. However, none should be needed as it should be painfully obvious that when someone says, "this flu", or "No, I would say that one wasn't." they do not think or suggest all flu viruses are man made.
Again, you have people saying for this strain to occur in the wild, there would have to be too many hoops to jump through. And with madness like the following link, we don't really know what's going on. Sorry, but you lab coats dropped the ball once again.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-resulted-in-pandemic/articleshow/4230882.cms
Your opinion, you are entitled to it.
I already addressed this.
No, I understand the biology behind the discussion. However, a disagreement with your view does not mean I don't understand the biology behind it. Moreover, I'm not "the common folks of the street", and generally don't have a distrust of scientist. In the past, I've said our education system needs to improve in the areas of science, math and technology, and have said african americans can benefit greatly from embracing science. However, I do not consider you a scientist as none of your claims of being a scientist have been verified by anyone here.
I don't think all scientists are part of some evil secret society, and this belief has never been stated or implied by me (I can't speak for anyone else.) However, when you have/had "secret societies" or groups bent on world domination (The Nazi's for example), the american government and a billion dollar industry that is expected to be just under a trillion in a couple of years, you can't sweep it under the rug and blindly believe all scientist have good intentions.
No you didn't. This is what you said:
Let me break it down for you because you still don't understand.
Heresy in response to others: The reason they could possibly be doing this is to make money and to control the border issues.
Fhag in response to Heresy: If you want to reduce population with a virus this isn't the one.
Read that a couple of times and tell me if you and I are talking about the same thing, or if what you've suggested has been remotely related to my suggestion that this was possibly created to make money or to tighten the borders without complaint.