Swine Flu Offical Thread

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Apr 25, 2002
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So obedience to the government will save your ass from cancer (of which half of us will die)? I would like to know the mechanism behind this, that's a Nobel prize up for grabs

look at the times, if there's fear from all those things and if a pandemic breaks out there will be people in dark places that will take advantage. im not sayin this virus is man made , im sayin they will see this as an opportunity to seize more power . i wouldnt put it pass them tho if it is man made


really don't see what the hell is so scary , PEOPLE ARE DYING IN MEXICO . the people infected here in america how many of them died ? people die of colds ,flue things that are very curable in many part of mexico everyday
 
Jan 27, 2005
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i clicked one of those links that took me to google maps
if it started in mexico why does the united states have more
cases than mexico does?
 

ThaG

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You keep replying without reading. We are not talking about "flu", as we know "flu" has veen around. What we are talking about is THIS form of flu. How do we know THIS form of flu was NOT manmade? This form of flu, has NOT existed since 1918 as they are saying this is a never before seen strain. You just said they recreated the virus from RNA fragments present in the 1918 strain, so why is any of this far-fetched?



Again, NO ONE, HERE IN THIS THREAD, has suggested "flu" is man made. However, people are suggesting THIS strain of flu in particular is man made. Please, start R-E-A-D-I-N-G for once. If you don't understand or need clarification just ask. However, none should be needed as it should be painfully obvious that when someone says, "this flu", or "No, I would say that one wasn't." they do not think or suggest all flu viruses are man made.
I was actually building an argument over several paragraphs, but you either were reading and answering or quote mining (that favorite creationist tactic)


Again, you have people saying for this strain to occur in the wild, there would have to be too many hoops to jump through. And with madness like the following link, we don't really know what's going on. Sorry, but you lab coats dropped the ball once again.
Who is saying that? Journalists or scientists? I am not suggesting the what answer is, I really don't know. Fact is it happened, and if all you need is simultaneous infection by three viruses, that's not very hard to imagine as it was already pointed out

I've seen this before, so what? Any proof it was a conspiracy?


Your opinion, you are entitled to it.
It's not an opinion, it is an obvious fact


No, I understand the biology behind the discussion. However, a disagreement with your view does not mean I don't understand the biology behind it. Moreover, I'm not "the common folks of the street", and generally don't have a distrust of scientist. In the past, I've said our education system needs to improve in the areas of science, math and technology, and have said african americans can benefit greatly from embracing science. However, I do not consider you a scientist as none of your claims of being a scientist have been verified by anyone here.
My claims are verified by whoever they have to verified by, you are not in that list.

I don't think all scientists are part of some evil secret society, and this belief has never been stated or implied by me (I can't speak for anyone else.) However, when you have/had "secret societies" or groups bent on world domination (The Nazi's for example), the american government and a billion dollar industry that is expected to be just under a trillion in a couple of years, you can't sweep it under the rug and blindly believe all scientist have good intentions.
True, but that still does not warrant jumping to the "It's a conspiracy" conclusion every time, with no evidence. That is some very bad science


No you didn't. This is what you said:

Let me break it down for you because you still don't understand.

Heresy in response to others: The reason they could possibly be doing this is to make money and to control the border issues.

Fhag in response to Heresy: If you want to reduce population with a virus this isn't the one.

Read that a couple of times and tell me if you and I are talking about the same thing, or if what you've suggested has been remotely related to my suggestion that this was possibly created to make money or to tighten the borders without complaint.
I interpret "border issue" as the wave of hungry Mexicans that will sweep through the border in a few years to a couple decades; that's why you got the response you got. Apparently we meant different things
 

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I was actually building an argument over several paragraphs, but you either were reading and answering or quote mining (that favorite creationist tactic)
I've yet to quote you out of context. However, you can't say the same. Moreover, you have not built an argument over several paragraphs. But I get it now! You conveniently left out the word THIS in each instance you mentioned "flu"!!! Examples?

because flu has been around
If flu was man-made
because if flu has been around for so
Again, we are talking about THIS form of flu, not "flu" but leave it up to you to lie again.

Who is saying that? Journalists or scientists? I am not suggesting the what answer is, I really don't know. Fact is it happened, and if all you need is simultaneous infection by three viruses, that's not very hard to imagine as it was already pointed out
From what I've read both. Use your nifty search engine and you'll see this fact.

I've seen this before, so what? Any proof it was a conspiracy?
It's proof that the lab coats create things, fuck up and don't keep track of it.

My claims are verified by whoever they have to verified by, you are not in that list.
And you are not a scientist. None of your claims of being such are testable or falsifiable. In fact, I'll probably contribute more to science in my life then you ever will. In fact, I might make it a point to spread my name in the scientific community as a great thinker and philanthropist. You on the other hand? Well, you'll be stuck here, forever complaining about why nucleotides and religion don't mix. But don't worry, I will make it a point to come back and remind you of your utter defeat and miserable life, poor soul.

It's not an opinion, it is an obvious fact
Opinion, buddy.

True, but that still does not warrant jumping to the "It's a conspiracy" conclusion every time, with no evidence. That is some very bad science
Brush up on correlation and causation. Afterwards, refer to the things I previously posted pertaining to dialectic.

I interpret "border issue" as the wave of hungry Mexicans that will sweep through the border in a few years to a couple decades; that's why you got the response you got. Apparently we meant different things
I'll now provide you with more evidence showing how you CONSTANTLY fail to read before you respond. But before I do, I will once again tell you that if you need clarification, or do not understand a persons premise, there is NOTHING wrong with saying so. This is how intelligent people discuss things and how a general understanding emerges. We don't result to fallacies (which you introduce in every thread but suck at hiding) and we certainly don't misquote people and take their words/text out of context (something you constantly do and what finally earned you your Fhag name.)

However, running your mouth, like you're doing now, simply makes you look like a one dimensional and delusional "character" on the siccness. Now here you go.

You said, "Apparently we meant different things", but here is what I initially said about the border problem:

...what if this is their way of solving the border problem? The people wouldn't stand for certain border changes before, but now that the whole country is at risk would they stand for closing the borders? Yes.
Now, my question is, if we apparently meant different things, why are you commenting on what I'm saying? Moreover, why does your so-called interpretation even matter when I stated exactly what I was talking about?

I was quite clear in what I was talking about, yet in your infinite wisdom you somehow missed all of it. But get this, you completely misinterpret the argument and FAIL to acknowledge that what I'm talking about, is NOT what you're talking about. Moreover, you FAIL to adress the other possibility I stated which is, this could have been done for money.

In closing, what you are talking about, is not an accurate, reasonable or remotely logical interpretation or assessment of what I said could be motivating factors if this was indeed man made. Again, I'm not talking about population reduction, why then are you telling me about it?