sup homies.. Some random Thoughts

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og MS

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just got to thinkin bout an issue.... and thought i'd bring it to the homie D-Sane's turf since he's a deep thinker as well


lots of hatin' goin on from "artists" towards labels nowadays.
The same muthafuckaz that risk their own bread and food outta their family's mouths to help launch and further careers on what turns out to be skanless, selfish and koniving artists. I know there are labels out there that can identify with this. I mean for the longest time an artist is makin appearances here and there...but in reality aint doin shit... the label comes along and invests in that artist's name and likeness and all of a sudden releases the album that artist had been tellin people was "coming soon" forever. The artist's ego swells a lil bit and claims the area is on lock, but in actuality the album aint sellin much of anything. Sometimes the label loses chunks of money and if not business minded, can go under from the blow of a project that flopped. Does the artist care? naw. Does the artist understand what recoup means? naw. Does the artist believe the label owes them the equivalant of of 10,000 units sold even though the shit aint even sold 1000 copies which is far from recouping expenses? damn right. The artist then thinks because they soaked enough game & got enough exposure from the LABEL'S TALENT that they can establish their own label and begin to call themselves CEOS when in fact they don't know the first thing about what a REAL CEO does as they talk about multiple releases and taking the game over but struggle to finish and release one let alone 25 in the course of 2,3, 5 years! Try... getting a tax ID #, getting a ficticious Business Statement, opening a DBA account, balancing the books, tracking, sales, consignments, promotional events, and the list goes on. Rappin' is the easy part. Yes it takes talent to do that part of it, but it takes just as much talent to sell the shit. It's that same mentality and lack of business sense and saavy that is continuing to plague the independent rap game. Recording the album is the easy part. Selling the album is a whole nother ballgame. I challenge the same people that sell less than copper and expect platinum royalties to TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET and spend it on their very own project and take it and sell it and see how much of that money they actually RECOUP after returns, consignments, bad debts, promo expenses, mastering, manufacturing costs etc. Then you can sit down with me over lunch and tell me how the game works and how your label ripped you off.... oh excuse me.. you own your own label ... is it possible to rip yourself off? nobody to blame and accuse but youself. take a long look in the mirror and say to yourself... am i really as hot as i think i am? or am i full of hot air? hmmmmm.

who am i to say this? i'm nobody... but i do have around 8 years invested in this rap shit from street and retail promotion to funding and executive producing albums. Learn about the game you claim to be takin over that way the chance of your ego gettin crushed and you bein extremely humbled is less of a burden to shoulder. Learn what expenses are and remember knowledge is key.
 

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Sounds like you might want to consider a career change. Money ain't in the rap game, a lot more fame......

Real Money is in the business world......


"Get a real job, rappin don't pay the rent"-Celly Cell
 

og MS

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There's money in the rap game, just not like there used to be ... especially independently... sales for the average indie label have dropped 75% throughout the industry.
You just gotta make wise investments and make sure the expense / recoup ratio isn't insurmountable. This random thought is focused on something that definitely isn;t new and is far from being over.
 

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#4
A-fuckin'-MEN!

You already know how I feel about this subject MS. Shit.....I might as well have wrote all that.....because I couldn't have said it better myself.

I look back at the last 6 years of recruiting, nurturing, coaching, educating and investing in young cats off the streets who claim to want to "rap" and think to myself.............."WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKIN'?????" Most of them are TOTALLY oblivious to how the "rap game" or the music business in general works. People who can't even pass a GED test are gonna talk about how a business should be run? How bout the people who can't even spell the fuckin' word "BUSINESS" correctly? People who can't even keep a job......or are 25 years old and still live with their parents are gonna try and tell me something? What a joke. I'm not even trying to CLOWN on anybody because of their education (or LACK OF) or their living situation (because I'm sure it's great to live rent free)........but it takes an EDUCATION and RESPONSIBILITY to run a business. If you don't possess either of these qualities......YOU AIN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO RUN NO RECORD LABEL.....MUCH LESS BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO IT.

You're also NOT going to be able to do shit from a jail cell. Which is also another reason SLR has had so many problems over the years. Or how bout people that can't even wake up in time or make it to a 4pm photo-shoot for the album cover? Or how bout the people who show up 2 hours late for functions? Or how bout the people that are supposed to be "rappers" and that's their job......but it takes them months to write and record 1 fuckin' verse? Or how bout the idiots who are given CD's to sell for the label and end up spending the $$$ on bullshit? And after they lie and steal from their label.......wonder why the label isn't able to buy flyers or throw release parties for them? Then they run around the streets bad mouthing the label that GAVE them their popularity and make the label look bad.......but never admit to their wrong-doings.

I've decided that from here on out.....I'm only fuckin' with select individuals. I'm not pickin' up no more cats that are on some bullshit......ignorant......irresponsible.....in and out of jail......or LAZY. I'd rather have the 3-4 hard working and serious artists that I have now than 20 bullshitters. I'm basically rebuilding SLR from the ground-up right now......and I'm almost ready to go. I'm bouts to be back up in ya faces again REAL SOON with some whole new shit. Back with a better understanding of how shit works.....and back with some REAL artists who are HUNGRY enough to do whatever it takes to blow up.

In the end......we'll see who has the last laugh. NOBODY has EVER worked harder than ME on SLR.......how many things do I do? I.....

write
rap
make beats
produce
mix
do graphic desgin
promote
work on websites
do booking
do book-keeping
filing
answer/make phone calls
send/return e-mails
travel from one city to another handling store consignments
do taxes
handle radio stations
handle interviews
arrange trips
and 50 other things!

All this while trying to have a life of my own......a healthy relationship with the woman I love and STILL having to hustle to make ends IN THE REAL WORLD meet. And all I've ever asked is that people do 5 things........

write
rap
promote
sell CD's (and actually pay the label their share of sales)
and STAY OUT OF FUCKIN' JAIL!

People can't even do that simple shit......but they think they should be treated like superstars? Riiiiiiiiiight.

And don't even get me started on the word RECOUPMENT! We'll be here all night. I'm done for now.......MS got me all riled up again....lol. I feel your pain MS......I really do. It's nice to hear from you bro......keep ya head up fam......we bound to make it sooner or later (hopefully sooner!).


D-Sane aka "The Whiteboy Ya Love To Hate"
 

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that be the realest shit I ever read. every last word from both of you guys is hittin the nail dead on. fuck somebody who ain't tryna invest in a business, fuck somebody who's tryna use you for what you can give them and then bounce. i haven't been burned nearly as bad as either one of you i'm sure, but my heart don't bleed like it used to... so when I see the first hint at trouble, i say fuck it and cut bait. if your artists aren't down for you and they don't plan on sticking around for the ride, they aint' worth shit. and like D said many months ago. rappers are a dime a dozen. but only the select few with enough talent and brains, NOT street smarts, are gonna make it. any dumb fuck can hustle and get caught and be in and out of jail fucking up there rap career... but can you do it without ever gettin caught, or can you not do it at all and still make it work? thats the question. having business skills is nothing more than making deals and following through with them. if you've got enough integrity and character to be a business man then you're set. but if you're always out there trying to fuck the next man over, that's short money for life. nobody wants to build anything anymore, they want everything to be given to them as if it's owed to them. when you make a deal with someone, you better have good intentions and follow through on the deal because that is the measure by which a business man is judged. people just don't understand just how crucial the actual following through part is. everybody can talk about this and that and what there doing and how this bullshit would be tight if this happened, but you ain't shit unless your the goto guy who gets the job done. D-Sane, gets the fuckin' job done. MS gets the benefit of the doubt because I don't know him, but dood has his shit straight from what I can see... stay up
 

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D is the expert on all that shit.....He's one of the hardest working people that I know....And one of the most generous and trustworthy. IF i was a rapper and I on SLR....I'd work my ass off more than I've ever done in my life.....but I don't rap, so that isn't relevant...lol....
 
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Sixxness said:
D is the expert on all that shit.....He's one of the hardest working people that I know....And one of the most generous and trustworthy.
^^^Real talk. D's influenced me soooo much in tha short time we've worked wit him.......Ya'll shoulda heard me before I got into tha studio wit D............:classic:
 

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Lil' G said:
^^^Real talk. D's influenced me soooo much in tha short time we've worked wit him.......Ya'll shoulda heard me before I got into tha studio wit D............:classic:
shutup you timid little schoolboy... lol, come kick it tonight nia! possibly revise our verses for the dividenz collabo... notes, got some major heat for that trizack dizzle.

:yes i been listening to snoop & wc's new shit all day:
 
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Since Im me, i feel like doing this shit from the other angle....

It aint all peaches and cream with the label heads either.

Most of them are the "do this, do that" type, and dont even understand how to explain to their artists what it takes to make it happen; they just have some vague idea of what they learned in an econmics class about supply and demand, and basically, as long as the label recoups, they're happy--no matter WHAT the artist has to go through.

I agree, you cant take a street rapper with artist vision (thanks, DOG) and turn them into a superstar, and expect them to hit you with the right percentages from what you givin em to sell.....BUT, if you make them understand that they are building a label from the ground up, and they have the potential to own part of the company---or, no wait, ceo's dont share their company. They want to own it all and run everything. My bad.

So...umm...yeah, anyways, CEOs, for the most part, are dipshits (bear with me, now). A Select few of them can pick up the microphone, or make a few beats..some of them can even handle basic business functions.....but when it comes to all-around skills, you'd be hard pressed to find a CEO who can outshine another label's top artist on the mic, and still be able to book 10 shows in a month, and maintain consignments.

I think it all breaks down to the mic....and, well...either 1) 95% of CEOs cant do much on the mic. or 2) the CEO is just a rapper who shouldnt even be CEO'ing(heheh) --- is usually the case.

Almost half of CEOs want to be CEO because they're power hungry
The other almost half of CEOs are pissed off rappers who never blew
The remaining 1% is people who know FULL WELL what they're doing. (keep in mind, im talking indy labels here).

True, i dont know it all...but this isnt about that. As i sit back and observe, i see that nearly EVERYONE wants to be the CEO and top MC these days, but usually, its someone with either one talent or the other. And if they have too much more of one talent than the other, then they cant do as good of a job when it comes to influencing/developing the other side.......does that make sense at all?? Basically, you can sell 5000 copies of a shit album with a good CEO, but the tightest emcees without a leader cant even push 500.....hopefully, that helps!

Me myself...im the 500-type, the move-at-my-own-pace type of person (Thats why i flipped the script on this post.....). Most CEO's ive seen are just power-hungry people with a few business classes under their belt who know how to squeeze the time and effort out of an artist, and at the same time, CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY STILL HAVENT DONE SHIT! Aint that somethin?

Thats kinda like going up to Tom Hanks and saying "You didnt write the script! You didnt rent the lights, or the scenery, or pay the stunt double! I did all that, so even though youre the star, thats why *I* deserve more money!".....sooner or later, the artist realizes when they're being fucked over, and more times then you CEOs would have other people think...its not their fault.

(im really in the middle on this issue, by the way! just felt like rambling :classic: )
 
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Coming from a well-respected veteran like yourself...that means alot to me. Thanks!

Yeah, basically, whether im "right" or "wrong", i just like to discuss things, ya know? Really, I dont even judge people by what they SAY, i judge them by how they present things and how they react to other people...thats whats important to me!

On the subject...i just think its sad to see so many labels all over, and all the rosters having, mainly, ONE or TWO talented artists, and the rest just being "friend" type people, sluffin' (as D-Sane might say :classic: ) and wasting valuable slots on the roster with their "coming soon" albums that wont see the light of day for another 4 years....
 

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Tadou, you've ALWAYS liked to discuss/argue things.....no matter how right or wrong you are.....lol.....
 

og MS

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dont even understand how to explain to their artists what it takes to make it happen; they just have some vague idea of what they learned in an econmics class about supply and demand, and basically, as long as the label recoups, they're happy--no matter WHAT the artist has to go through.
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Corporate America lives by this creed. Why would you shell out shitloads of money not to worry about recouping it? Because without that you have not taken steps forward... but taken steps backwords. Myself and my business partner are street smart and book smart... so we bring the best of both worlds into the equation. My partner has a degree in accounting and book keeping.. I have schooling in marketing and retail. We both are stone cold hustlerz also... b4 this music thang came along.. we had cars... money, nice things etc.. after it's gone we'll still have those type of things... why? because we know the basis of hustling and aren;t too lazy to hustle.. rather depending on the next man to pay my rent or pay my PGE just because I've entered into an agreememnt with him. I've dealt with artists that expect you to pay their bills. Shit get out there and hustle and if and when recoup occurs and you are due royalty checks you shall receive um.. every bit you're entitled to. Until then.. get a job... sell a verse... put together a side project and use the juice you have from the label helping you to establish a name worthy of some sales. Just because 10 people come up to you sayin DAMN YOUR ALBUM IS KNOCKIN IM LOVIN IT... doesnt mean those 10 people bought your album. When you start buyin into your own hype.. then you know you need an ego check.

D-Sane one love for the comments and post. We've also restructured our roster and are looking to attack the game with not just one superior artist .. but with 5 or 6 semi-superior artists and hopefully the team effort will take us where we need to go. We built this shit... our wise business decisions have kept our company afloat.. not one artist ... not one album. a great marketing mind can sell ANYTHING.
 

Mr. D-Sane

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og MS said:
b4 this music thang came along.. we had cars... money, nice things etc.. after it's gone we'll still have those type of things... why? because we know the basis of hustling and aren't too lazy to hustle.. rather depending on the next man to pay my rent or pay my PGE just because I've entered into an agreememnt with him. I've dealt with artists that expect you to pay their bills. Shit get out there and hustle and if and when recoup occurs and you are due royalty checks you shall receive um.. every bit you're entitled to. Until then.. get a job... sell a verse... put together a side project and use the juice you have from the label helping you to establish a name worthy of some sales. Just because 10 people come up to you sayin DAMN YOUR ALBUM IS KNOCKIN IM LOVIN IT... doesnt mean those 10 people bought your album. When you start buyin into your own hype.. then you know you need an ego check.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had MORE money before I started doin' this music shit than I do now! I'm STILL a hustlin' ass mufucka though......while all these chumps think that I get my money from album sales and think I'm fuckin' them over......I make like THE CLIPSE and keep "Grindin'"!
 

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og ms.........I fell you 100% main, I think the same way and have the same mentality about gettin out and doin it yourself and not dependin on the next man to do your job.......

Selfmade hustlin........From weight to real estate...

Oh yea...do you have a degree in marketing, if so where from?