Slavery Reparations
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No black today was EVER a slave. i didnt say a museum i said a memorial, there is a big difference there. Now blacks cant get jobs because they are black? thats a fucking cop out right there. I know plenty of black folks that have jobs and work.... about 90% of the black people i know have jobs. The ones i know that dont are either on drugs, selling drugs or are too busy feeling sorry for them selfs and blaming people for there own personal problems oh and ofcourse there is the odd one that just doesnt want to work.
But yet you act like you know all about me? There is a good chance if you give a crack head money they will spend it on crack. Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people. People have free will you know...oh no thats perfectly good logic so i assume you dont agree with that?
I agree
Thats a really complicated issue, We just cant give money to anyone who 'claims' they are from slave blood line.
Your all about the "400 years of slavery and this and that" a memorial is something that will always stand and will be arround long after the money is gone. You put the money into a college fund for black kids that cant afford to go to college, see that way it helps blacks have a better life and then when one has a better life then that persons kids will have a better life.
I dont think you know anything about my race at all. Do you know what a Sicilian is? do you have any idea? do you have any idea why Italians hate us? no you fucking dont know.
Lets not forget Africa sold their extra slaves for pennies to spanish traders...yea thats correct. Lets not forget that Blacks arnt the ONLY race that has had slavery.
Why dont you look into the slavery in centeral america back in the 16,17,18 centuries... you know anything about that?
But yet you act like you know all about me? There is a good chance if you give a crack head money they will spend it on crack. Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people. People have free will you know...oh no thats perfectly good logic so i assume you dont agree with that?
I agree
Thats a really complicated issue, We just cant give money to anyone who 'claims' they are from slave blood line.
Your all about the "400 years of slavery and this and that" a memorial is something that will always stand and will be arround long after the money is gone. You put the money into a college fund for black kids that cant afford to go to college, see that way it helps blacks have a better life and then when one has a better life then that persons kids will have a better life.
I dont think you know anything about my race at all. Do you know what a Sicilian is? do you have any idea? do you have any idea why Italians hate us? no you fucking dont know.
Lets not forget Africa sold their extra slaves for pennies to spanish traders...yea thats correct. Lets not forget that Blacks arnt the ONLY race that has had slavery.
Why dont you look into the slavery in centeral america back in the 16,17,18 centuries... you know anything about that?
When asked about your age and nationality you stated, "I dont know what that has to do with anything." I replied to that statement with, "Your demographic may have a lot to do with your thought process and ethics." If you do not understand how your demographic may shape the way you believe or how it can contribute to a certain thought process (good or bad) I don't know what to tell you. Also, the response you have provided fails to address any of my points, so keep that in mind when you reply back.
That is not the point. The point is blacks in america are STILL feeling the effects of slavery. Slavery was not something that happened hundreds of years ago and ended overnight. It took place over a span of SEVERAL centuries, and people are still fighting for equality in america. The laws and mentalities that slavery created were not abolished overnight. In the 60's blacks had to sit in the BACK of bussess. MANY people who chose to uphold that mistreatment are STILL alive today, and that mentality is often passed down from generation to generation. You do NOT understand the GENERATIONAL problems that slavery has created swoop, and truth is you probably NEVER will.
Neither will benefit the black race in the long run. How is a memorial going to help a young black male in the ghetto? How does a memorial rectify the problems that STILL exist because of slavery?
Actually, this is NOT a cop out, and discrimination based on color is a major reason why corporations and other places of employment now have laws/rules/regulations prohibiting it.
Sure you do. Next you'll tell me most of your friends are black.
This cannot be proven by anyone here, so that number is suspect.
Again, why are these physical and mental problems occuring in the first place?
Actually, I've yet to express how I really feel about you. EVERYONES demographic comes into play when it comes to the way they think. I don't understand why you would take it personal.
First, you would have to identify all those who do smoke crack, and at that point you may run into a lawsuit that alleges racial profiling and discrimination.
What are your thoughts on Freeway Rick?
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No, you DISAGREE which is why you suggest building a memorial.
A really complicated issue, yet you are suggesting it?!?!?! Again, what would be the criteria for reperations?
A memorial can be destroyed because of an act of God, and a memorial can also be removed by the government. Again, how is a memorial going to alleviate problems in the black sommunity such as unemployment, disease, a high incarceration rate, etc? What about people who can't look at the memorial due to financial burdens? Again, putting the money aside for college will require some form of criteria. How are you going to know who is entitled to it? If you are saying, "we just cant give money to anyone who 'claims' they are from slave blood line", how would college funds be any different? Again, what would be the criteria?
What does ANY of this have to do with the questions that were asked because of YOUR statements? You mentioned Italians, and you gave us a wacky compare and contrast scenario in hopes of validating your current position. Either you can answer the questions or you can't. Again:
1. Were Italians forced to come here and work without pay?
2. Do Italian americans have an infrastructure they can fall back on?
Lets not forget the fact that in africa many tribes practiced a different form of slavery than the form of europeans. Many tribes and cultures practiced a form of slavery that released the slave after 6 to ten years, and the slaves lived WITH their masters. In many cases they were considered FAMILY. Also, let us not forget that the MAJORITY of slaves were STOLEN. Also, NO RACE ON THIS PLANET has endured a form of slavery to the extent of Afrikans. You have ENTIRE TRIBES that are GONE as a result of slavery. You have MILLIONS of Afrikans who DIED as a result of slavery.
SEE ABOVE. Btw, I have talked about slavery in central america in the past.
Neither will benefit the black race in the long run. How is a memorial going to help a young black male in the ghetto? How does a memorial rectify the problems that STILL exist because of slavery?
Actually, this is NOT a cop out, and discrimination based on color is a major reason why corporations and other places of employment now have laws/rules/regulations prohibiting it.
Sure you do. Next you'll tell me most of your friends are black.
This cannot be proven by anyone here, so that number is suspect.
Again, why are these physical and mental problems occuring in the first place?
Actually, I've yet to express how I really feel about you. EVERYONES demographic comes into play when it comes to the way they think. I don't understand why you would take it personal.
First, you would have to identify all those who do smoke crack, and at that point you may run into a lawsuit that alleges racial profiling and discrimination.
What are your thoughts on Freeway Rick?
SEE ABOVE.
No, you DISAGREE which is why you suggest building a memorial.
A really complicated issue, yet you are suggesting it?!?!?! Again, what would be the criteria for reperations?
A memorial can be destroyed because of an act of God, and a memorial can also be removed by the government. Again, how is a memorial going to alleviate problems in the black sommunity such as unemployment, disease, a high incarceration rate, etc? What about people who can't look at the memorial due to financial burdens? Again, putting the money aside for college will require some form of criteria. How are you going to know who is entitled to it? If you are saying, "we just cant give money to anyone who 'claims' they are from slave blood line", how would college funds be any different? Again, what would be the criteria?
What does ANY of this have to do with the questions that were asked because of YOUR statements? You mentioned Italians, and you gave us a wacky compare and contrast scenario in hopes of validating your current position. Either you can answer the questions or you can't. Again:
1. Were Italians forced to come here and work without pay?
2. Do Italian americans have an infrastructure they can fall back on?
Lets not forget the fact that in africa many tribes practiced a different form of slavery than the form of europeans. Many tribes and cultures practiced a form of slavery that released the slave after 6 to ten years, and the slaves lived WITH their masters. In many cases they were considered FAMILY. Also, let us not forget that the MAJORITY of slaves were STOLEN. Also, NO RACE ON THIS PLANET has endured a form of slavery to the extent of Afrikans. You have ENTIRE TRIBES that are GONE as a result of slavery. You have MILLIONS of Afrikans who DIED as a result of slavery.
SEE ABOVE. Btw, I have talked about slavery in central america in the past.
I never said blacks didint suffer, they in fact did for a long time. My point is blacks today are not suffering and should not get financial compansation in the form of free money to all blacks. Thats all im saying. If we used that logic eveyone would be in debt to everyone. The slavery we had wasnt the only time in history slavery happened and it wasnt the worst form of slavery either. Im not saying alot of blacks didnt suffer because they did im sayin through out history many civilizations have had slavery and some was morbid.
If blacks are not suffering today I would like for you to explain why 50% of the homeless in america are black. I would also like for you to explain the high drop out rate, the high teen pregnancy rate, the high HIV rate amongst black females, the high incarceration rate amongst black males, the mortality rate amongst black males 16 - 26 and the high unemployment rate. Again, compensation is NOT "free money".
No one seemed to have a problem when the Japanese and so-called jews were being compensated.
If you can show me ANY form of slavery that was worse than the slavery the afrikan slaves had to endure, I'll LEAVE this site for good. If you can show me ANY form of slavery that DESTROYED as many tribes and killed as many people I'll LEAVE this site for good.
No one seemed to have a problem when the Japanese and so-called jews were being compensated.
If you can show me ANY form of slavery that was worse than the slavery the afrikan slaves had to endure, I'll LEAVE this site for good. If you can show me ANY form of slavery that DESTROYED as many tribes and killed as many people I'll LEAVE this site for good.
You tell me how blacks are suffering that you can prove and arnt opinionated.
I agree there are some people alive today that have faced some pretty bad discrimination. Your average 20-25 year old has not at all.
one would think that you would stay in school and go to college to get out of the ghetto. Thats why i said there should be a college fund. You wanna make it better you go to college just like everyone else in this world. You can use some of that money for job training programs so they could learn a viable trade.
no thats just an excuse... i can walk into any office building right now in chicago an i promise you 20% if not more will be black. And blacks make up what percentage of the population? 17% maybe? so in otherwords the numbers are dead on.
First off....man, im from the fucking ghetto, Second off you dont know a fucking thing about a tough life so dont pull shit "hes a white boy, he dont know nothing shit" im a fucking convict and spent most of my younger life in and out of jail and prison. You wanna talk about hard to find a job....? you dont know shit about that man. But why is it i can reform my life and make it better but some in the black community cant? I struggled bad for a long fuking time and now im just starting to bennifit from the fruits of my hard work and resisting temptation to make the easy money.
Dont even act like i dont know.....shit i got friends from all races and creeds.
This cannot be proven by anyone here, so that number is suspect.
Ok well, do you have any idea howmany white peole buy crack around here? black people sell it to them so why not blame them for there drug addiction... again people have free will.
Whatever
I dont know where your from, go outside and give a crackhead 10 buck no matter what race they are... they will have crack in 5 minutes.
I have no idea who that is.
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Fine disagree with building a memorial, i just thought it would be something nice to have and it will still be standing when the moneys gone...how dumb of me.
You gotta prove your family has been here for 100 years
Im so sick and tired of blame....you can blame no one but your self. No one makes you do fucked up shit. There is a right way to live your life and there is a wrong way. ANYONE who wants to see things get better will tell you that, Black community activists will tell you that.
Sicilians are the product of rape by african pirates and arabs. Do you see me bitching about africa and what they did to my people 500-600 years ago? No i dont.
Tell me this, Who forced Africans to come here? oh yea, Afrians who bought the Afrian slaves from Afrians? oh yea the spanish.
Atleast know what your talking about.
Nice fucking spin....they were slaves none this less.
I agree there are some people alive today that have faced some pretty bad discrimination. Your average 20-25 year old has not at all.
one would think that you would stay in school and go to college to get out of the ghetto. Thats why i said there should be a college fund. You wanna make it better you go to college just like everyone else in this world. You can use some of that money for job training programs so they could learn a viable trade.
no thats just an excuse... i can walk into any office building right now in chicago an i promise you 20% if not more will be black. And blacks make up what percentage of the population? 17% maybe? so in otherwords the numbers are dead on.
First off....man, im from the fucking ghetto, Second off you dont know a fucking thing about a tough life so dont pull shit "hes a white boy, he dont know nothing shit" im a fucking convict and spent most of my younger life in and out of jail and prison. You wanna talk about hard to find a job....? you dont know shit about that man. But why is it i can reform my life and make it better but some in the black community cant? I struggled bad for a long fuking time and now im just starting to bennifit from the fruits of my hard work and resisting temptation to make the easy money.
Dont even act like i dont know.....shit i got friends from all races and creeds.
This cannot be proven by anyone here, so that number is suspect.
Ok well, do you have any idea howmany white peole buy crack around here? black people sell it to them so why not blame them for there drug addiction... again people have free will.
Whatever
I dont know where your from, go outside and give a crackhead 10 buck no matter what race they are... they will have crack in 5 minutes.
I have no idea who that is.
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Fine disagree with building a memorial, i just thought it would be something nice to have and it will still be standing when the moneys gone...how dumb of me.
You gotta prove your family has been here for 100 years
Im so sick and tired of blame....you can blame no one but your self. No one makes you do fucked up shit. There is a right way to live your life and there is a wrong way. ANYONE who wants to see things get better will tell you that, Black community activists will tell you that.
Sicilians are the product of rape by african pirates and arabs. Do you see me bitching about africa and what they did to my people 500-600 years ago? No i dont.
Tell me this, Who forced Africans to come here? oh yea, Afrians who bought the Afrian slaves from Afrians? oh yea the spanish.
Atleast know what your talking about.
Nice fucking spin....they were slaves none this less.
You cant blame anyone but your self and you cant count on anyone but your self. The sooner people understand that shit the sooner they will have better lives....
I thought the same way as you when i was 18-20 years old and guess where i was sitting? fucking Joliet prison. Then some black convict talked some sense into me and told me the only way your gong to have a better life is if you take charge of it and stop blaming the cops or the system for my actions or my dad or my mom or whatever i could blame it on. I did and now im doing well in life.
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Are you fucking serious??? you dont know much about history do you???
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/pol_pot.htm
Also what about the Nazi's slave work camps??? yea thats right???
What about the south american slave miners? that was horrable
I can list near 25 to 30 examples of slavery off the top of my head that were way worse then what the blacks had to deal with.
I dont expect you to leave but you dont know what your talking about.
I thought the same way as you when i was 18-20 years old and guess where i was sitting? fucking Joliet prison. Then some black convict talked some sense into me and told me the only way your gong to have a better life is if you take charge of it and stop blaming the cops or the system for my actions or my dad or my mom or whatever i could blame it on. I did and now im doing well in life.
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Are you fucking serious??? you dont know much about history do you???
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/pol_pot.htm
Also what about the Nazi's slave work camps??? yea thats right???
What about the south american slave miners? that was horrable
I can list near 25 to 30 examples of slavery off the top of my head that were way worse then what the blacks had to deal with.
I dont expect you to leave but you dont know what your talking about.
I already did.
This would depend on this persons demographic, and to say your average 20-25 year old black male has not faced disrcimantion is insanity. Do you have any records or numbers to validate your claim? I have some to validate to my position, and I'll post them as soon as you post yours.
If a person has a learning disability or does not have knowledge of resources that are set aside for educational purposes how can you expect them to stay in school or go to college? If one must DROP OUT because of teen pregnancy or is forced to get a job because of low income how can you expect them to go to college?
SEE ABOVE. The job training program is a good idea, but what skills will be taught? Will it include hands on learning of the latest technology or will the training focus on manual labor?
Any person arguing that discrimination based on color is non-existant in the work force has completely lost it. Again, your 20% number is not factual. You will NOT walk into all of the buildings in chicago, nor do you have the means to do so. So in other words, your numbers are based on your own imagination (which is quite vivid I might add.)
Sure you are.
Knowledge is not exclusive to one race. You have blacks that have NO CLUE about what actually goes on in ghetto, and we have white guys here that have had a tough life and been in prison (Shea for example), so I wouldn't front you off based on your nationality. However, the fact that you have to tell me you are from the ghetto and have been incarcerated is suspect in itself. In addition, people from the ghetto tend to understand the plight of the black community, but so far you have shown NO evidence of having any knowledge of this. In regards to me, I don't need to tell you what I am, or where I grew up, because you'll still believe what you want.
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Many variables come into play. The first thing is you have to WANT to change. The second thing is you have to have knowledge of resources. The third thing is you MUST have a stable infrastructure to rely on.
Thats great.
Sure you do.
If a person has a mental or physical condition it is often the result of someone elses doing. However, your statement is not a satisfactory answer, and I ask that you expound upon it for clarification purposes.
To imply that crackheads will ALWAYS spend their money on crack is stupidity. You have NO evidence to validate this claim. Are they predisposed? Yes, does that mean theyw ill do it? NO.
Why don't you google it. If that doesn't work I have some books on the subject. Until you do the research you need to REFRAIN from making statements such as, "Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people."
Your words not mine, but I want you to know that the idea is rather dumb.
This is easy for the majority if not all African-Americans. All they would have to do is list a grandparent or great-grandparent.
The reason you are tired of blame is because you are probably a blind racist or you are guilty of something. You should be tired of no one NOT taking the blame and owing up to their responsibility.
According to MANY criminal justice theories this is NOT true. Later on, I'll probably explain it in greater detail. However, your statement has NOTHING to do with what you are replying to.
What does this have to do with anything you are replying to?
Was it wrong? Yes, are the sicilians currently feeling a NEGATIVE stigma in Italy because of this? NO?!?!?!?!?
I suggest you take your own advice, and once again, thanks for taking the cowardly way out and avoiding the questions. BTW, anyone implying that africans and the spanish were the main antagonists in the slave trade is a dummy.
It is not a spin. In the future know what you are talking about before you attempt to pass it off as fact.
This would depend on this persons demographic, and to say your average 20-25 year old black male has not faced disrcimantion is insanity. Do you have any records or numbers to validate your claim? I have some to validate to my position, and I'll post them as soon as you post yours.
If a person has a learning disability or does not have knowledge of resources that are set aside for educational purposes how can you expect them to stay in school or go to college? If one must DROP OUT because of teen pregnancy or is forced to get a job because of low income how can you expect them to go to college?
SEE ABOVE. The job training program is a good idea, but what skills will be taught? Will it include hands on learning of the latest technology or will the training focus on manual labor?
Any person arguing that discrimination based on color is non-existant in the work force has completely lost it. Again, your 20% number is not factual. You will NOT walk into all of the buildings in chicago, nor do you have the means to do so. So in other words, your numbers are based on your own imagination (which is quite vivid I might add.)
Sure you are.
Knowledge is not exclusive to one race. You have blacks that have NO CLUE about what actually goes on in ghetto, and we have white guys here that have had a tough life and been in prison (Shea for example), so I wouldn't front you off based on your nationality. However, the fact that you have to tell me you are from the ghetto and have been incarcerated is suspect in itself. In addition, people from the ghetto tend to understand the plight of the black community, but so far you have shown NO evidence of having any knowledge of this. In regards to me, I don't need to tell you what I am, or where I grew up, because you'll still believe what you want.
SEE ABOVE.
Many variables come into play. The first thing is you have to WANT to change. The second thing is you have to have knowledge of resources. The third thing is you MUST have a stable infrastructure to rely on.
Thats great.
Sure you do.
If a person has a mental or physical condition it is often the result of someone elses doing. However, your statement is not a satisfactory answer, and I ask that you expound upon it for clarification purposes.
To imply that crackheads will ALWAYS spend their money on crack is stupidity. You have NO evidence to validate this claim. Are they predisposed? Yes, does that mean theyw ill do it? NO.
Why don't you google it. If that doesn't work I have some books on the subject. Until you do the research you need to REFRAIN from making statements such as, "Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people."
Your words not mine, but I want you to know that the idea is rather dumb.
This is easy for the majority if not all African-Americans. All they would have to do is list a grandparent or great-grandparent.
The reason you are tired of blame is because you are probably a blind racist or you are guilty of something. You should be tired of no one NOT taking the blame and owing up to their responsibility.
According to MANY criminal justice theories this is NOT true. Later on, I'll probably explain it in greater detail. However, your statement has NOTHING to do with what you are replying to.
What does this have to do with anything you are replying to?
Was it wrong? Yes, are the sicilians currently feeling a NEGATIVE stigma in Italy because of this? NO?!?!?!?!?
I suggest you take your own advice, and once again, thanks for taking the cowardly way out and avoiding the questions. BTW, anyone implying that africans and the spanish were the main antagonists in the slave trade is a dummy.
It is not a spin. In the future know what you are talking about before you attempt to pass it off as fact.
HERESY said:
I already did.
This would depend on this persons demographic, and to say your average 20-25 year old black male has not faced disrcimantion is insanity. Do you have any records or numbers to validate your claim? I have some to validate to my position, and I'll post them as soon as you post yours.
If a person has a learning disability or does not have knowledge of resources that are set aside for educational purposes how can you expect them to stay in school or go to college? If one must DROP OUT because of teen pregnancy or is forced to get a job because of low income how can you expect them to go to college?
SEE ABOVE. The job training program is a good idea, but what skills will be taught? Will it include hands on learning of the latest technology or will the training focus on manual labor?
Any person arguing that discrimination based on color is non-existant in the work force has completely lost it. Again, your 20% number is not factual. You will NOT walk into all of the buildings in chicago, nor do you have the means to do so. So in other words, your numbers are based on your own imagination (which is quite vivid I might add.)
Sure you are.
Knowledge is not exclusive to one race. You have blacks that have NO CLUE about what actually goes on in ghetto, and we have white guys here that have had a tough life and been in prison (Shea for example), so I wouldn't front you off based on your nationality. However, the fact that you have to tell me you are from the ghetto and have been incarcerated is suspect in itself. In addition, people from the ghetto tend to understand the plight of the black community, but so far you have shown NO evidence of having any knowledge of this. In regards to me, I don't need to tell you what I am, or where I grew up, because you'll still believe what you want.
SEE ABOVE.
Many variables come into play. The first thing is you have to WANT to change. The second thing is you have to have knowledge of resources. The third thing is you MUST have a stable infrastructure to rely on.
Thats great.
Sure you do.
If a person has a mental or physical condition it is often the result of someone elses doing. However, your statement is not a satisfactory answer, and I ask that you expound upon it for clarification purposes.
To imply that crackheads will ALWAYS spend their money on crack is stupidity. You have NO evidence to validate this claim. Are they predisposed? Yes, does that mean theyw ill do it? NO.
Why don't you google it. If that doesn't work I have some books on the subject. Until you do the research you need to REFRAIN from making statements such as, "Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people."
Your words not mine, but I want you to know that the idea is rather dumb.
This is easy for the majority if not all African-Americans. All they would have to do is list a grandparent or great-grandparent.
The reason you are tired of blame is because you are probably a blind racist or you are guilty of something. You should be tired of no one NOT taking the blame and owing up to their responsibility.
According to MANY criminal justice theories this is NOT true. Later on, I'll probably explain it in greater detail. However, your statement has NOTHING to do with what you are replying to.
What does this have to do with anything you are replying to?
Was it wrong? Yes, are the sicilians currently feeling a NEGATIVE stigma in Italy because of this? NO?!?!?!?!?
I suggest you take your own advice, and once again, thanks for taking the cowardly way out and avoiding the questions. BTW, anyone implying that africans and the spanish were the main antagonists in the slave trade is a dummy.
It is not a spin. In the future know what you are talking about before you attempt to pass it off as fact.
This would depend on this persons demographic, and to say your average 20-25 year old black male has not faced disrcimantion is insanity. Do you have any records or numbers to validate your claim? I have some to validate to my position, and I'll post them as soon as you post yours.
If a person has a learning disability or does not have knowledge of resources that are set aside for educational purposes how can you expect them to stay in school or go to college? If one must DROP OUT because of teen pregnancy or is forced to get a job because of low income how can you expect them to go to college?
SEE ABOVE. The job training program is a good idea, but what skills will be taught? Will it include hands on learning of the latest technology or will the training focus on manual labor?
Any person arguing that discrimination based on color is non-existant in the work force has completely lost it. Again, your 20% number is not factual. You will NOT walk into all of the buildings in chicago, nor do you have the means to do so. So in other words, your numbers are based on your own imagination (which is quite vivid I might add.)
Sure you are.
Knowledge is not exclusive to one race. You have blacks that have NO CLUE about what actually goes on in ghetto, and we have white guys here that have had a tough life and been in prison (Shea for example), so I wouldn't front you off based on your nationality. However, the fact that you have to tell me you are from the ghetto and have been incarcerated is suspect in itself. In addition, people from the ghetto tend to understand the plight of the black community, but so far you have shown NO evidence of having any knowledge of this. In regards to me, I don't need to tell you what I am, or where I grew up, because you'll still believe what you want.
SEE ABOVE.
Many variables come into play. The first thing is you have to WANT to change. The second thing is you have to have knowledge of resources. The third thing is you MUST have a stable infrastructure to rely on.
Thats great.
Sure you do.
If a person has a mental or physical condition it is often the result of someone elses doing. However, your statement is not a satisfactory answer, and I ask that you expound upon it for clarification purposes.
To imply that crackheads will ALWAYS spend their money on crack is stupidity. You have NO evidence to validate this claim. Are they predisposed? Yes, does that mean theyw ill do it? NO.
Why don't you google it. If that doesn't work I have some books on the subject. Until you do the research you need to REFRAIN from making statements such as, "Dont even try to blame drug use with in the black community on white people."
Your words not mine, but I want you to know that the idea is rather dumb.
This is easy for the majority if not all African-Americans. All they would have to do is list a grandparent or great-grandparent.
The reason you are tired of blame is because you are probably a blind racist or you are guilty of something. You should be tired of no one NOT taking the blame and owing up to their responsibility.
According to MANY criminal justice theories this is NOT true. Later on, I'll probably explain it in greater detail. However, your statement has NOTHING to do with what you are replying to.
What does this have to do with anything you are replying to?
Was it wrong? Yes, are the sicilians currently feeling a NEGATIVE stigma in Italy because of this? NO?!?!?!?!?
I suggest you take your own advice, and once again, thanks for taking the cowardly way out and avoiding the questions. BTW, anyone implying that africans and the spanish were the main antagonists in the slave trade is a dummy.
It is not a spin. In the future know what you are talking about before you attempt to pass it off as fact.
Believe what you want man. Your just making excuses. I might buy into youre arguement if i saw almost no black people in the work force.
Oh yea dont fucking mock me.
Nail this into your head.... People have free will and blaming everything else for their downfalls is the REAL cowards way out. Only a coward blames everyone else a real man would say "fuck it life sucks" and get on with it.
There is no point in me even debating this issue with you any fucking more because every single thing you say is an excuse as to why black people cant make things better.
There are sooo manny sucsessfull black people in this world that came from the ghetto and made it out....go talk to some of those people. They will tell you the same shit im telling you right fucking now.
How do you plan to solve a problam when your too fucking busy blaming people or feeling sorry for your self????
You call me stupid? im not the one who said that black slaves had it worse then Jews in Nazi death camps.
Yeah it was me. I am drawing an analogy to illustrate that someone who is entitled to money, is entitled to it regardless of what they plan on doing with it. This is not a debate of “how to prevent drug use” or “how to stop people from becoming alcoholics” this is a debate of whether or not current day African Americans are entitled to some of the wealth created through slavery, when current day descendants of slave owners are able to enjoy that wealth with no stipulations or debates on how they spend that money.
It would. However applying your argument that you cannot simply give out money because of the potential detrimental actions by a minority of that receiving population, we should therefore not allow black people to get jobs because some portion of those people may spend their paycheck on “drugs or alcohol”. The majority of people who receive reparations in the form of a check will most likely spend that on something other than drugs and alcohol. Why should they be denied that money because of the actions of others, just like no one is denied a paycheck based on the actions of others?
We are not debating whether or not people will spend this money on "good" or 'bad" things, or whose job it is to prevent that from happening. That DOES NOT MATTER. People are entitled to this money in the same way someone who works at a job is entitled to a pay check.
So white people who receive checks of cash money generated off of slavery to this day are able to receive that money in the form of cash even though some of them may spend that money on drugs and alcohol, yet African Americans should only receive a memorial because some of them may spend the money given to them on drugs and alcohol??? Maybe if spend all of our money on memorials, then no one will be able to spend any money on drugs or alcohol….
It would. However applying your argument that you cannot simply give out money because of the potential detrimental actions by a minority of that receiving population, we should therefore not allow black people to get jobs because some portion of those people may spend their paycheck on “drugs or alcohol”. The majority of people who receive reparations in the form of a check will most likely spend that on something other than drugs and alcohol. Why should they be denied that money because of the actions of others, just like no one is denied a paycheck based on the actions of others?
We are not debating whether or not people will spend this money on "good" or 'bad" things, or whose job it is to prevent that from happening. That DOES NOT MATTER. People are entitled to this money in the same way someone who works at a job is entitled to a pay check.
So white people who receive checks of cash money generated off of slavery to this day are able to receive that money in the form of cash even though some of them may spend that money on drugs and alcohol, yet African Americans should only receive a memorial because some of them may spend the money given to them on drugs and alcohol??? Maybe if spend all of our money on memorials, then no one will be able to spend any money on drugs or alcohol….
Make no mistake about it, no one here is spearheading a movement for reparations. White america has done ALL it IS going to do. We are simply discussing a subject, but to not address the problem is a problem within itself. The "just get over it" attitude is actually more harmful than anything else.
Trust me, NO ONE HERE will agree with your statement, and if you were 18-20 with my current mentality, you would have owned your own business, would be enrolled in school, and would an assett to your community. But, according to you, you were LOCKED UP between the age of 18-20, and this is something no one here can verify.
And where is that convict now? Probably making 2 cents a day in prison. See, no one is saying that you should sit on yoru ass and wait for reparations. Again, we are having a discussion, however it is on a black person to TRY and make it because white america will NOT do anything to anything to help the black cause. I agree, each man MUST look at himself for his own actions, but you fail to realize that some are FORCED to commit ceratin actions due to a lack of social, economic, political or educational infrastructures.
Again, research or read up before you speak on certain subjects.
The first link listed 2 million deaths. The african slave trade resulted in an estimated 15-20 million deaths. How is that 2 million worse than 15-20?
http://www.mariner.org/Captivepassage/introduction/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/slavery05.htm
What about them?
How is was this worse than slavery commited against africans? Did 15 to 20 million south americans die as a result of thsi slavery? Were 20 to 30 million south africans displaced as a result of this slavery? Are thousands of tribes now extinct because of south american slavery?
I have asked for you to list ONE, and even stated I would LEAVE this board if you could yet you have FAILED to do so. I'll make it even better for you. You claim you can list 25 to 30 examples that were way worse than what blacks had to deal with? List them, and I'll give you a money order for $300.
You my friend are lost. I was right about you all along.
Trust me, NO ONE HERE will agree with your statement, and if you were 18-20 with my current mentality, you would have owned your own business, would be enrolled in school, and would an assett to your community. But, according to you, you were LOCKED UP between the age of 18-20, and this is something no one here can verify.
And where is that convict now? Probably making 2 cents a day in prison. See, no one is saying that you should sit on yoru ass and wait for reparations. Again, we are having a discussion, however it is on a black person to TRY and make it because white america will NOT do anything to anything to help the black cause. I agree, each man MUST look at himself for his own actions, but you fail to realize that some are FORCED to commit ceratin actions due to a lack of social, economic, political or educational infrastructures.
Again, research or read up before you speak on certain subjects.
The first link listed 2 million deaths. The african slave trade resulted in an estimated 15-20 million deaths. How is that 2 million worse than 15-20?
http://www.mariner.org/Captivepassage/introduction/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/slavery05.htm
What about them?
How is was this worse than slavery commited against africans? Did 15 to 20 million south americans die as a result of thsi slavery? Were 20 to 30 million south africans displaced as a result of this slavery? Are thousands of tribes now extinct because of south american slavery?
I have asked for you to list ONE, and even stated I would LEAVE this board if you could yet you have FAILED to do so. I'll make it even better for you. You claim you can list 25 to 30 examples that were way worse than what blacks had to deal with? List them, and I'll give you a money order for $300.
You my friend are lost. I was right about you all along.
Fine drop a boat load of cash from a 747 i dont care, i dont think its the smartest thing to do. Some blacks will be responsible with the money and some will blow it on useless shit and drugs.
Think about it in this way....these people suffered all those years so some fool could blow it on a gold grill and a platnum chain? even if only one person did that that would be too much.
Think about it in this way....these people suffered all those years so some fool could blow it on a gold grill and a platnum chain? even if only one person did that that would be too much.
You have no idea what the fuck your talking about only a fool would say African slaves were treated worse then Holocaust slaves AND only a fool would think that the Cambodian killing feilds was nothing compaired to American slavery.
I dont have to prove shit too you because i could give 2 fucks what you think AND on top of that you dont know anything at all about history.
$300.00??? yea right you said "name one slave period in time that was worse then black slavery and i will never come back to the boards"
I then said the "killing fields" were way worse and then i said the holocaust slaves were worse.
1. Nazi Germany 38 million deaths,
in World War Two, and the Holocaust,
2. Imperial Germany 34 million deaths,
by causing WW1, and the 1917 Flu, and the colonial depradations, in Africa.
3. Imperial China 28 million deaths
by the 1900s famines, and slavery,
4. Imperial Japan 27 million deaths,
by WW2, and the colonial oppressions
5. Imperial Russia 24 million deaths,
by helping cause WW1, and numerous famines, and the Iranian famine of 1917
6. Communist China 22 Million deaths
By famines, and democides
7. Communist USSR 21 million deaths,
By famines, and oppressions
8. Imperial Austria 17.5 million deaths,
by helping cause WW1
9. The demon Belgian king 15 million deaths,
By inflicting the Congo empire democides,
10. British Empire 12 million deaths
By numerous famines, and wars in the early 20thC
10 KMT 12 million deaths in WW2, and other oppressions
ALL had slavery do you want more?
I dont have to prove shit too you because i could give 2 fucks what you think AND on top of that you dont know anything at all about history.
$300.00??? yea right you said "name one slave period in time that was worse then black slavery and i will never come back to the boards"
I then said the "killing fields" were way worse and then i said the holocaust slaves were worse.
1. Nazi Germany 38 million deaths,
in World War Two, and the Holocaust,
2. Imperial Germany 34 million deaths,
by causing WW1, and the 1917 Flu, and the colonial depradations, in Africa.
3. Imperial China 28 million deaths
by the 1900s famines, and slavery,
4. Imperial Japan 27 million deaths,
by WW2, and the colonial oppressions
5. Imperial Russia 24 million deaths,
by helping cause WW1, and numerous famines, and the Iranian famine of 1917
6. Communist China 22 Million deaths
By famines, and democides
7. Communist USSR 21 million deaths,
By famines, and oppressions
8. Imperial Austria 17.5 million deaths,
by helping cause WW1
9. The demon Belgian king 15 million deaths,
By inflicting the Congo empire democides,
10. British Empire 12 million deaths
By numerous famines, and wars in the early 20thC
10 KMT 12 million deaths in WW2, and other oppressions
ALL had slavery do you want more?