You know what fucktard..? youre workin' my last fuckin' nerve tonight with all your shit talkin'.. youre quick to run up in every fuckin' thread and call people idiots because they dont have your same ignorant point of view.. quick to talk on some shit and you dont even know what the hell youre talkin' about.. shut your pie hole already.
Should "tookie" williams be granted clemency??
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You know what fucktard..? youre workin' my last fuckin' nerve tonight with all your shit talkin'.. youre quick to run up in every fuckin' thread and call people idiots because they dont have your same ignorant point of view.. quick to talk on some shit and you dont even know what the hell youre talkin' about.. shut your pie hole already.
i know first hand that a da can "FABRICATE" stuff to fuck you... and just think... he is the co founder of the most notorious gang aside from the mob...
do you think they WOULDNT try to off him?? in efforts to put a strong arm on the gang situation in this country??
imma put some stuff out there to ponder...
1. why the FUCK would he use a gun registered to himself? thats onna the many extremely obvious things even a retard wouldnt do..
2. everyone and there grandmas poodle knows not to say, let alone WRITE about excaping, and killing witnesses to there case, and killing security..*edit IN PRISON... (i forgot that part in my rant...lol)
3. why would he go around bragging to numerous people about how, where, who, and why he alegedly did the murders, and even go as far as to tell people he was gonna off people involved in it... he just made another witness, and the d.a wrote countless times about how he didnt want to leave witnesses....
hmmmm....
i could be completely wrong.. but ive been around this shit for my whole life, and ive YET to come accross some one as dumb as that, regardless if there a top head, or a rookie, or a dope fiend...
ALRIGHT. IF YOU READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS ON THE SUBJECT, YOU WILL SEE THAT I WAS TRULY TORN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE TOOKIE SHOULD BE GRANTED CLEMENCY. AND UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE TOOKIE SHOULD BE GRANTED CLEMENCY, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO SIGN THE PETITION AND WRITE ARNOLD. (I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE TOOKIE SHOULD RECIEVE CLEMENCY AND ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT)
UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, I DON'T CARE TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE ABOUT TOOKIE'S FATE. BUT, FOR SOME REASON, I BADLY WANTED TO REACH MY OWN CONCLUSION. I READ NEARLY EVERYTHING ON TOOKIE.COM AND SAVETOOKIE.ORG (INCLUDING HIS CLEMENCY PETITION), AS WELL AS HIS CLEMENCY DENIAL AND ONE CBS REPORT. I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT I BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN, AND I HAVE FINALLY COME TO MY CONCLUSION.
DO I THINK TOOKIE COMMITED THE CRIMES HE IS ACCUSED OF? YES, I DO. AT LEAST THE ASIAN FAMILY AT THE MOTEL WHERE THEY SAID, "AT TRIAL, A FIREARMS EXPERT TESTIFIED THAT THE EXPENDED TWELVE-GAUGE SHOTGUN SHELL THAT WAS RECOVERED BY INVESTIGATORS AT THE BROOKHAVEN MOTEL TRIAL EXHIBIT 9E, WAS FIRED FROM WILLIAMS' SHOTGUN, TRIAL EXHIBIT 8, TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER FIREARMS."
BEFORE, MY MAIN REASON FOR BEING IN FAVOR OF GRANTING TOOKIE CLEMENCY (GUILTY OR NOT), WAS HIS INFLUENCE ON THE YOUTH. NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINEE OR NOT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH TOOKIE HAS HAD A POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON SOME YOUTH. BUT, WITH THAT SAID, I DO NOT SEE MUCH MORE TOOKIE (AND I KNOW THIS IS DEBATEABLE, BUT IT IS MY OPINION) COULD DO TO STOP/PREVENT GANG VIOLENCE. HE HAS ALREADY STATED (GENUINELY OR MANIPULATIVELY?) THAT HE IS NO LONGER PARTICIAPTING IN THE "GANGSTER" LIFESTYLE, AND IS AVIDLY AGAINST IT. BESIDES THIS, HE PUT FORTH HIS PROTOCOL FOR PEACE, PSA'S, APOLOGY FOR GANG VIOLENCE HE MAY HAVE INFLUENCED, TWO LETTERS TO YOUTHS AND NEARLY A DOZEN BOOKS EXPRESSING HIS "NEW" FEELINGS ON GANGS. THIS ANTI-VIOLENCE/ ANTI-GANG CAMPAIGN WAS ON ITS WAY BY AT LEAST 1997, WHEN HIS FIRST BOOKS WERE PUBLISHED. TODAY, IT IS KNOWN, THAT STANLEY "TOOKIE" WILLIAMS, THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE INFAMOUS CRIPS NO LONGER CONDONES GANGS OR THE "GANGSTER" LIFESTYLE. SO, WITH THE PUBLIC KNOWING OF TOOKIE'S NEWLY ADOPTED ATTITUDE TOWARDS GANGS FOR AT LEAST 8 YEARS, I WOULD THINK THAT HIS MESSAGE IS OUT THERE, AND IT IS TO THE POINT WHERE IF GANGSTERS REALLY WANT TO QUIT BANGING, IT IS NOW UP TO THEM (I BELIEVE TOOKIE HAS USED UP ALL HIS POSSIBLE INFLUENCE-WHICH MAY BE DEBATEABLE).
SO, IF HE IS GRANTED CLEMENCY, WHICH I'VE ALWAYS DOUBTED WOULD HAPPEN, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE ONLY PURPOSE IT WOULD SERVE, IS TO ACCOMODATE A MURDERER (NOT SO DEBATEABLE IN MY OPINION-THE WHOLE SHOTGUN SHELL BEING FROM HIS SHOTGUN ORDEAL). FOR ME, THE CONCEPT OF LETTING A MURDERER OF "EASY" BECAUSE HE IS A CHANGED MAN (WHICH I DESPERATELY WANT TO BELIEVE), DOES NOT GO WELL. I'M SURE THERE WERE OTHER DEATH ROW INMATES WHO CHANGED BY THE TIME THEY WERE DUE FOR DEATH, AND IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR NOR SEND A GOOD MESSAGE TO LET TOOKIE OFF "EASY". BY MESSAGE, I MEAN IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD TO TELL PEOPLE, "WE ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU LIABLE TO THE PUNISHMENT WE INITIALLY PROSCRIBE."
BESIDES ALL THE PRECEEDING, THERE IS SUSPUCION (I READ ABOUT IN A CBS REPORT) THAT TOOKIE IS "ORCHESTRATING GANGLAND CRIMES FROM WITHIN HIS CELL." S0, THATS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SAY HE WILL NOT BE A THREAT BECASUE HE IS BEHING BARS (NAIVE IN MY POINT OF VIEW). I REALIZE IT'S ONLY SUSPICION, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST HIM, BESIDES THIS IS SECONDARY TO THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH.
LASTLY, I CAN IMAGINE TOOKIE FIGHTING HIS INNOCENCE, WITH THE MONEY HE MAKES FROM HIS BOOK (MAYBE BOOKS-FOR SURE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM BLUE RAGE BLACK REDEMPTION IS GOING TO THIS CAUSE), AND ACTUALLY WINNING. ONE MIGHT SAY, HOW COULD YOU SAY HE MIGHT WIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BELIEVE HE IS GUILTY. IF THERE WERE ANOTHER TRIAL, THERE COULD BE FEAR OF ANOTHER RIOT, JUST LIKE THE ONE AFTER THE RODNEY KING BEATING...
ANYWAYS, THIS IS MY OPINION, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE NOT TO BE A BANDWAGON HOPPER ON EITHER SIDE, AND FORM A KNOWLEDGEABLE OPINION OF THEIR OWN. WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, I THINK TOOKIE WILL BE EXECUTED ON THE 13TH. REMEMBER, THE LAST TIME CLEMENCY WAS GRANTED WAS IN '67, SO ITS NOT LIKE THEY HAND CLEMENCY OUT EASILY. RIGHT ABOUT NOW, I WISH I COULD SAY SOMETHING NICE LIKE, IF TOOKIE IS TRULY A CHANGED MAN, LET THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIM (BUT I DONT EVEN KNOW IF I BELIEVE IN GOD, HEAVEN, HELL ETC.)
UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, I DON'T CARE TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE ABOUT TOOKIE'S FATE. BUT, FOR SOME REASON, I BADLY WANTED TO REACH MY OWN CONCLUSION. I READ NEARLY EVERYTHING ON TOOKIE.COM AND SAVETOOKIE.ORG (INCLUDING HIS CLEMENCY PETITION), AS WELL AS HIS CLEMENCY DENIAL AND ONE CBS REPORT. I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT I BELIEVE SHOULD HAPPEN, AND I HAVE FINALLY COME TO MY CONCLUSION.
DO I THINK TOOKIE COMMITED THE CRIMES HE IS ACCUSED OF? YES, I DO. AT LEAST THE ASIAN FAMILY AT THE MOTEL WHERE THEY SAID, "AT TRIAL, A FIREARMS EXPERT TESTIFIED THAT THE EXPENDED TWELVE-GAUGE SHOTGUN SHELL THAT WAS RECOVERED BY INVESTIGATORS AT THE BROOKHAVEN MOTEL TRIAL EXHIBIT 9E, WAS FIRED FROM WILLIAMS' SHOTGUN, TRIAL EXHIBIT 8, TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER FIREARMS."
BEFORE, MY MAIN REASON FOR BEING IN FAVOR OF GRANTING TOOKIE CLEMENCY (GUILTY OR NOT), WAS HIS INFLUENCE ON THE YOUTH. NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINEE OR NOT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH TOOKIE HAS HAD A POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON SOME YOUTH. BUT, WITH THAT SAID, I DO NOT SEE MUCH MORE TOOKIE (AND I KNOW THIS IS DEBATEABLE, BUT IT IS MY OPINION) COULD DO TO STOP/PREVENT GANG VIOLENCE. HE HAS ALREADY STATED (GENUINELY OR MANIPULATIVELY?) THAT HE IS NO LONGER PARTICIAPTING IN THE "GANGSTER" LIFESTYLE, AND IS AVIDLY AGAINST IT. BESIDES THIS, HE PUT FORTH HIS PROTOCOL FOR PEACE, PSA'S, APOLOGY FOR GANG VIOLENCE HE MAY HAVE INFLUENCED, TWO LETTERS TO YOUTHS AND NEARLY A DOZEN BOOKS EXPRESSING HIS "NEW" FEELINGS ON GANGS. THIS ANTI-VIOLENCE/ ANTI-GANG CAMPAIGN WAS ON ITS WAY BY AT LEAST 1997, WHEN HIS FIRST BOOKS WERE PUBLISHED. TODAY, IT IS KNOWN, THAT STANLEY "TOOKIE" WILLIAMS, THE CO-FOUNDER OF THE INFAMOUS CRIPS NO LONGER CONDONES GANGS OR THE "GANGSTER" LIFESTYLE. SO, WITH THE PUBLIC KNOWING OF TOOKIE'S NEWLY ADOPTED ATTITUDE TOWARDS GANGS FOR AT LEAST 8 YEARS, I WOULD THINK THAT HIS MESSAGE IS OUT THERE, AND IT IS TO THE POINT WHERE IF GANGSTERS REALLY WANT TO QUIT BANGING, IT IS NOW UP TO THEM (I BELIEVE TOOKIE HAS USED UP ALL HIS POSSIBLE INFLUENCE-WHICH MAY BE DEBATEABLE).
SO, IF HE IS GRANTED CLEMENCY, WHICH I'VE ALWAYS DOUBTED WOULD HAPPEN, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE ONLY PURPOSE IT WOULD SERVE, IS TO ACCOMODATE A MURDERER (NOT SO DEBATEABLE IN MY OPINION-THE WHOLE SHOTGUN SHELL BEING FROM HIS SHOTGUN ORDEAL). FOR ME, THE CONCEPT OF LETTING A MURDERER OF "EASY" BECAUSE HE IS A CHANGED MAN (WHICH I DESPERATELY WANT TO BELIEVE), DOES NOT GO WELL. I'M SURE THERE WERE OTHER DEATH ROW INMATES WHO CHANGED BY THE TIME THEY WERE DUE FOR DEATH, AND IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR NOR SEND A GOOD MESSAGE TO LET TOOKIE OFF "EASY". BY MESSAGE, I MEAN IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD TO TELL PEOPLE, "WE ARE NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU LIABLE TO THE PUNISHMENT WE INITIALLY PROSCRIBE."
BESIDES ALL THE PRECEEDING, THERE IS SUSPUCION (I READ ABOUT IN A CBS REPORT) THAT TOOKIE IS "ORCHESTRATING GANGLAND CRIMES FROM WITHIN HIS CELL." S0, THATS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SAY HE WILL NOT BE A THREAT BECASUE HE IS BEHING BARS (NAIVE IN MY POINT OF VIEW). I REALIZE IT'S ONLY SUSPICION, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST HIM, BESIDES THIS IS SECONDARY TO THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH.
LASTLY, I CAN IMAGINE TOOKIE FIGHTING HIS INNOCENCE, WITH THE MONEY HE MAKES FROM HIS BOOK (MAYBE BOOKS-FOR SURE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM BLUE RAGE BLACK REDEMPTION IS GOING TO THIS CAUSE), AND ACTUALLY WINNING. ONE MIGHT SAY, HOW COULD YOU SAY HE MIGHT WIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BELIEVE HE IS GUILTY. IF THERE WERE ANOTHER TRIAL, THERE COULD BE FEAR OF ANOTHER RIOT, JUST LIKE THE ONE AFTER THE RODNEY KING BEATING...
ANYWAYS, THIS IS MY OPINION, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE NOT TO BE A BANDWAGON HOPPER ON EITHER SIDE, AND FORM A KNOWLEDGEABLE OPINION OF THEIR OWN. WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, I THINK TOOKIE WILL BE EXECUTED ON THE 13TH. REMEMBER, THE LAST TIME CLEMENCY WAS GRANTED WAS IN '67, SO ITS NOT LIKE THEY HAND CLEMENCY OUT EASILY. RIGHT ABOUT NOW, I WISH I COULD SAY SOMETHING NICE LIKE, IF TOOKIE IS TRULY A CHANGED MAN, LET THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIM (BUT I DONT EVEN KNOW IF I BELIEVE IN GOD, HEAVEN, HELL ETC.)
ok, you're now in the running for one of the dumbest kids on this site. white people are also on death row and have also been executed you moron. and why do you think it seems like everyone on death row is black? cuz black dudes are committing/getting caught for more crimes than white people. wake up. it's not racist, it's real.
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Do your research before you join in a conversation. Any and all capital punishment research and statistics indicate that black people are disproportionately sentenced and administred the death penalty (let's not even bring economics into it).
DISPROPORTIONATE means that others who are tried and convicted for the same crimes DO NOT recieve the same punishment.
You must be in a real state of bliss, because you're one of the most ignorant people I've seen on this site in a while.
Capital punishment it racist
Capital punishment does NOT deter crime
Capital punishment violates the 8th & 14th Ammendment
Capital punishment denies due process
Capital punishment kills multiple innocent people every year
Capital punishment is only vengence, NOT justice
The death penalty is dead wrong.
www.nodeathpenalty.org
Do your research before you join in a conversation. Any and all capital punishment research and statistics indicate that black people are disproportionately sentenced and administred the death penalty (let's not even bring economics into it).
DISPROPORTIONATE means that others who are tried and convicted for the same crimes DO NOT recieve the same punishment.
You must be in a real state of bliss, because you're one of the most ignorant people I've seen on this site in a while.
Capital punishment it racist
Capital punishment does NOT deter crime
Capital punishment violates the 8th & 14th Ammendment
Capital punishment denies due process
Capital punishment kills multiple innocent people every year
Capital punishment is only vengence, NOT justice
The death penalty is dead wrong.
www.nodeathpenalty.org
Crips aren't the ones to be scared of out here in the LA/North OC area(I used to live in Athens part of LA now Anaheim) ,I wouldn't compare them to the mob , they're not that organized. At the time the rest of the country didn't know what a crip was , Colors didn't come out yet.
Why the fuck would you saw off the butt of the gauge to make it a pistol grip if it was registered in your name , You're giving too much credit to his intellect. Come on not all gangsters are smart.
Ever see Menace 2 Society , some people are actually like that and brag too much.
Why the fuck would you saw off the butt of the gauge to make it a pistol grip if it was registered in your name , You're giving too much credit to his intellect. Come on not all gangsters are smart.
Ever see Menace 2 Society , some people are actually like that and brag too much.
You don't know much about Satanism do you? It tells you pretty much to treat others how they treat you. This man killed innocent people , he deserves to die point blank. If he killed other bangers or someone who wanted to kill him I say fuck it grant him clemency but he didn't he killed non banging innocent people.
