Should child rapist/molesters Die vs get life in prison (EDITED)
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While i gree with this, it has nothing to do with my statement. Everyone keeps citing "free meals and a place to sleep! Outrage!". Yet, they fail to point out all the NEGATIVES prison has to "offer"...THAT is my point.
And just because the meals and bed are free, doesn't mean they are of any QUALITY. You can get nearly the same thing out on the street if you tried hard enough.
And just because the meals and bed are free, doesn't mean they are of any QUALITY. You can get nearly the same thing out on the street if you tried hard enough.
Because the repercussions are not immediate or imminent.
The human mind has a funny way of rationalizing things which do not have immediate consequences.
If every kid was followed by a bodyguard at all times that would shoot and kill anyone attempting to molest them - I think most everyone would agree that would deter many people from acting on their impulse to molest them because the repercussions to that action are immediate and definite.
So saying that "nothing" will deter a human is incorrect because some things can deter a human.
Well it does have to with your statement because what I was trying to point out is that people in this situation are downplaying the negatives of prison because their need to find balance is not being met.
Conversely, if this discussion was about sending some to prison for 10 years for littering the comments would not be about the perceived positives of prison but instead the negatives because our perception of the balance would be skewed in the other direction.
"its an outrage to send him to be locked up in a dungeon with horrible people to be raped and treated like an animal and forced to eat disgusting food for littering" etc etc
Bingo.
Bingo X2. However, this isnt a real world scenario.
Incorrect, but valid. Sure, there are near impossible measures we can go to PRESENT an immediate threat to just about ANYTHING, but that's just not possible.
If people got punched in the face every time they took a drag off a cigarette, the tobacco companies would go out of business within week.
I hope you are not suggesting that anyone in here is sympathizing with a child molester. Understanding and sympathizing are not synonymous. it is NEVER right to touch a child in an abusive or sexual way....EVER. Lets get that out there right now.
However, that doesn't change the fact that I UNDERSTAND, from an outsiders point of view through the knowledge of psychology, WHY these people do what they do. Nothing more than that.
And to be quite honest, if I were to find out anyone touched my future children in any way, in that heat of the moment, I would probably go ape shit and do something I might regret later, only because of the repercussions that would follow the act.
However, that doesn't change the fact that I UNDERSTAND, from an outsiders point of view through the knowledge of psychology, WHY these people do what they do. Nothing more than that.
And to be quite honest, if I were to find out anyone touched my future children in any way, in that heat of the moment, I would probably go ape shit and do something I might regret later, only because of the repercussions that would follow the act.
WORE A GLOVE UNTIL I GOT SERIOUS NO GLOVE NO LOVE DAWG I WASNT HAVING MY WEENIE FALL OFF AS FAR AS THE NASTY LUNG PICS FROM SMOKING PEOPLE LIVE A LONG TIME WITH THAT. I SEEN MY GRANDMOTHER GIVE OUT AFTER SMOKING FOR MOST OF HER LIFE AND DYING AT 79 YEARS OLD I THINK SHE HAD A GOOD RUN. NOW TYING THIS BACK INTO CHILD TOUCHING MOLESTING THERE IS A WHOLE OTHER STORY IF YOU SHOW THE CONSEQUENCES ARE NOT ONLY GRAVE BUT ARE A VERY PAINFUL DEATH I THINK THEY WOULD GET THE PICTURE.
So two exceptions to the rule = 100% success rate? Thats even MORE flawed logic than what you originally put out there. There is always going to be an anomaly or two, thats why the scientific method never relies on ONE subject or topic, but rather MANY and with variables to go along with those test subjects. I. too, quit smoking and, for the most part, wore condoms in fear of catching diseases. Does that mean I am the rule? No, that means i am the anomaly. Perfect evidence to that is ALL my friends smoke and several of my friends have children OUT of wedlock.
This is just the same illogical argument that you already presented...and with no PROOF. Yet, I have shown you proof of why that WOULDN'T work.
This is just the same illogical argument that you already presented...and with no PROOF. Yet, I have shown you proof of why that WOULDN'T work.
UNFORTUNATELY OUR SOCIETY IS NOT LIKE OTHER PLACES ON EARTH WHERE STONING AND BEHEADINGS ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR UNACCEPTABLE ACTIONS SO AS FAR AS PROOF I WONT HAVE ANY PROOF BECAUSE OUR SOCIETY HAS BECOME TOO POLITICALLY CORRECT AND WORRY ABOUT THESE CRIMINALS FEELINGS INSTEAD OF THE VICTIMS OR THE VICTIMS FAMILIES FEELINGS. YET AGAIN ANOTHER CASE OF THESE PREDATORS NOT REALLY CARING ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES. THEY GOT TO HAVE WHAT THEY WANT AND WILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO TO GET WHAT THEY WANT UP TO AND INCLUDING HURTING INNOCENT CHILDREN. DO YOU TEACH YOUR KIDS THAT THERE IS A CONSEQUENCE FOR THEIR ACTIONS??? IT REALLY IS SIMPLE AS THAT AND ON THE BELIEF IF YOU MAKE THE PUNISHMENT UNDESIREABLE THEN THE OFFENSE WOULD HAPPEN LESS LIKE I SAID BEFORE EXCEPT FOR THOSE DUMB BASTARDS THAT HAVE A DEATH WISH.
No, you are assuming my own intent. Fail. I would only physically hurt someone to wake them out of their slumber of everyday life. I would even help the guy clean his wounds afterwards.
I do not believe anyone else (the government, police, judges, etc.) should get involved for that exact reason. I would be dealing with the problem directly, and that would ensure his recovery (and my child's) that much more. This goes along with my anarchist ideas, if someone fucks you over, you deal with it, not some fucking judge that has secret prejudices and hatred for certain situations and people.
Of course i'm up for protecting all children, this is why I don't want this cycle to continue its cycle. The only way to stop the cycle is to truly help those affected by it. The molested child is not the only one who suffers from these abuses, just to remind you.
And Shea, I already know you think that you know all there is to be needed to know about child molestation. But have you ever gotten molested? Have you ever had thoughts of touching another child afterwards? Have you ever caught yourself so interested in it that you felt disgusting, but realized that you are nothing anyways and gave into the temptations? You'd be singing a whole different song if you were repeatedly molested by a family member and you didn't know how to interpret it, so as a child you repeated it until you were an adult.
The people doing this are MISSING VITAL LOVE. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.
I do not believe anyone else (the government, police, judges, etc.) should get involved for that exact reason. I would be dealing with the problem directly, and that would ensure his recovery (and my child's) that much more. This goes along with my anarchist ideas, if someone fucks you over, you deal with it, not some fucking judge that has secret prejudices and hatred for certain situations and people.
Of course i'm up for protecting all children, this is why I don't want this cycle to continue its cycle. The only way to stop the cycle is to truly help those affected by it. The molested child is not the only one who suffers from these abuses, just to remind you.
And Shea, I already know you think that you know all there is to be needed to know about child molestation. But have you ever gotten molested? Have you ever had thoughts of touching another child afterwards? Have you ever caught yourself so interested in it that you felt disgusting, but realized that you are nothing anyways and gave into the temptations? You'd be singing a whole different song if you were repeatedly molested by a family member and you didn't know how to interpret it, so as a child you repeated it until you were an adult.
The people doing this are MISSING VITAL LOVE. THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE.
Your son could die any moment. You being his father does not change the vulnerability of his life. This includes his future too. He might have to deal with some fucked up shit, that's life, you can't protect him from EVERYTHING.
It's all based on how you view life. Yes child molestation is not healthy, but its not the end of the world if someone goes through it. It IS the end of their life if they are not taught where this type of behavior comes from and how to truly heal from it.
Some women are happy they get raped once they get over and grow from it, because it makes them realize they are stronger than any force they could ever imagine. That is the lesson of life. We have the strength to overcome anything if we truly try to access this strength with our hearts and souls.
It's all based on how you view life. Yes child molestation is not healthy, but its not the end of the world if someone goes through it. It IS the end of their life if they are not taught where this type of behavior comes from and how to truly heal from it.
Some women are happy they get raped once they get over and grow from it, because it makes them realize they are stronger than any force they could ever imagine. That is the lesson of life. We have the strength to overcome anything if we truly try to access this strength with our hearts and souls.
LOL might as well move to Iran they agree with ya. I voted to kill em off without thinking twice too because its the easy way out. Everybody wants the easy way out.
There should be studies though to see if the root of the problem can be ruled out some other way, until molesting shit is erased from the human brain. Hypnotize these guys/gals do something cuz the shit right now isn't working.
There should be studies though to see if the root of the problem can be ruled out some other way, until molesting shit is erased from the human brain. Hypnotize these guys/gals do something cuz the shit right now isn't working.
I didn't need you to repeat anything. That was not my question to you, was it?
Now, you are wrong for assuming that we are saying the same thing in different ways, because we are not. You are perpetuating the cycle of fear towards facing our inner demons, and I am on the path to eradicate this behavior once and for all but going deep into the psyche and allowing the person to heal from their own past pains and struggles.
You want the 'easy' way out, easier for you to deal with. Less questions, less answers, thats what violence gives us.
Now, you are wrong for assuming that we are saying the same thing in different ways, because we are not. You are perpetuating the cycle of fear towards facing our inner demons, and I am on the path to eradicate this behavior once and for all but going deep into the psyche and allowing the person to heal from their own past pains and struggles.
You want the 'easy' way out, easier for you to deal with. Less questions, less answers, thats what violence gives us.