SADDAM CAPTURED...MUG SHOT
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There is NO motive.
Premeditation is arguable. We knew innocent people would die. However, we didn't know when, where, why, who, or how they would die, which makes it hard to believe anything was premeditated.
You are better off arguing manslaughter, because there is no murder of innocent civilians. Then again, manslaughter only exists when a law is in place, and there are no world laws, which is why collateral damage is not punishable.
If you are arguing that innocent civilian death because of U.S. actions is morally wrong, then I will agree with you. The only other outcome is that we leave Iraq as it is, and civilians will continue to be MURDERED as long as Saddam is in power. The way we are going about it, when the war is done, we pull out of Iraq, and no more civilians die by collateral damage -OR- by Saddam's power. Trying to justify civilian death, in order to prevent civilian death is something I am not going to try and argue, because it is so hard to understand why it happens. The only way you can is to guess into the future, and ask yourself: How many more people is Saddam going to torture and murder in cold blood?
Premeditation is arguable. We knew innocent people would die. However, we didn't know when, where, why, who, or how they would die, which makes it hard to believe anything was premeditated.
You are better off arguing manslaughter, because there is no murder of innocent civilians. Then again, manslaughter only exists when a law is in place, and there are no world laws, which is why collateral damage is not punishable.
If you are arguing that innocent civilian death because of U.S. actions is morally wrong, then I will agree with you. The only other outcome is that we leave Iraq as it is, and civilians will continue to be MURDERED as long as Saddam is in power. The way we are going about it, when the war is done, we pull out of Iraq, and no more civilians die by collateral damage -OR- by Saddam's power. Trying to justify civilian death, in order to prevent civilian death is something I am not going to try and argue, because it is so hard to understand why it happens. The only way you can is to guess into the future, and ask yourself: How many more people is Saddam going to torture and murder in cold blood?
So if I thought only you lived in your house and I bombed it trying to kill you, but I killed your entire family instead... you wouldnt accuse me of murder then right? I just manslaughtered your family then. Look, we can wordplay this topic to death.
And the reason it is hard to justify civillian death with civillian death is because there is no justification for it.
And the reason it is hard to justify civillian death with civillian death is because there is no justification for it.
answers to those questions can be found by:
1) actually going to those websites
2) researching the authors of those articles.
AP or Reuters doesn't give intellectual insight or activist service for a progressive community. And a lot of the info from zmag is cited from AP & Reuters. :dead:
there not trying to be AP or Reuter...lol...nimrod.
propaganda was used by the US to justifiy the war against iraq.
propaganda was used by the media to make 70% of US citizens believe Saddam was behind the 9/11 attacks, without any proof.
lol@tadou trying so hard to discredit.
Those are two different scenerio's. This "time of war" that I refer to is not something I made up, history will show that throughout most of the worlds war's, very few people stood trial for crimes involving murder. You left needed information out of your scenerio. What is it that your bombing me for? Who are you to bomb me and why are you doing it? If your a military figure bombing my house (which lies in an area you are at war with) and I am supposed to me hiding in the house (and I am suspect to your reasons for war), anyone inside would fall victim to collateral damage. If you are a crazy drunk civilian running around town looking for me, and you bomb a place where you thought I lived, you would face a murder trial for anyone you kill bombing that house. These arn't rules, they arn't laws, it is the way history has unraveled.
The incentive is that Saddam will no longer be able to torture and kill. Some will say that is the justification, others will use another word. It all depends on what position you are in, whether that is a internet user in America, or the victim of a murdered husband that Saddam was responsible for. Survey's reported that 6% of Iraqi's say Saddam had killed one of their relatives. That statistic will no longer play a factor in Iraq because of what America did.
The incentive is that Saddam will no longer be able to torture and kill. Some will say that is the justification, others will use another word. It all depends on what position you are in, whether that is a internet user in America, or the victim of a murdered husband that Saddam was responsible for. Survey's reported that 6% of Iraqi's say Saddam had killed one of their relatives. That statistic will no longer play a factor in Iraq because of what America did.
Propaganda is only as bad as the opinions of those expressing it. It is bad propaganda only to the side that opposes the views. But if the views (of those propagating) are 100% true and factually based, then propaganda is not neccessarily a bad thing.
You being on this message board along with your fellow Anti-Americans, pushing all of your opinions and articles is just a form of propaganda, to a lesser extent.
You being on this message board along with your fellow Anti-Americans, pushing all of your opinions and articles is just a form of propaganda, to a lesser extent.
So in essence you are saying it is ok for innocent people to die at the hands of Americans, just as long as it is unintentional and in an area in which some guy name Bush said we are at war with.
Do you think Iraqis are ok with the fact that we are over there killing thier innocent loved ones so that thier lives as a whole would be better post-war? God damn people, cant you put yourselves in thier shoes... I mean, they are human too you know... just keep swallowing the propaganda that has been spoon fed to you
Do you think Iraqis are ok with the fact that we are over there killing thier innocent loved ones so that thier lives as a whole would be better post-war? God damn people, cant you put yourselves in thier shoes... I mean, they are human too you know... just keep swallowing the propaganda that has been spoon fed to you
Damn, do I have to break it down for you.
Never said that. Never agree with that. Take him out then...we have had plenty of chances... he aint hard to find. But no, we want a war, because war drives the economy. And a complete overthrow makes the country ours. Can you say puppet government? We've done it for years... Sadaam just wasnt playing ball.
Accordiing to your favorite government officials, it was never about getting rid of Saddam because he kills Iraqi civillians in the first place. You think the gov gives a shit? Fuck no ... its all a front for obtaining foriegn resources and holding central power in the Middle East... The suspect progression of false reasons to go to war are so damn transparent: first it was to get rid of Weapons of Mass Destruction, and since there are none only now is it to liberate the people of Iraq. (and everyone bought it) Which one you subscribe to? Probably which ever one is hot in the Bush Admin at the present time, which, gee, happens to be the liberation story. If his cabinent said we need to get rid of Saddam because he's ugly, you'd probably agree.
So now, why should ANYBODY, civillian or soldier, die because a Texas oiler wants more?
Never said that. Never agree with that. Take him out then...we have had plenty of chances... he aint hard to find. But no, we want a war, because war drives the economy. And a complete overthrow makes the country ours. Can you say puppet government? We've done it for years... Sadaam just wasnt playing ball.
Accordiing to your favorite government officials, it was never about getting rid of Saddam because he kills Iraqi civillians in the first place. You think the gov gives a shit? Fuck no ... its all a front for obtaining foriegn resources and holding central power in the Middle East... The suspect progression of false reasons to go to war are so damn transparent: first it was to get rid of Weapons of Mass Destruction, and since there are none only now is it to liberate the people of Iraq. (and everyone bought it) Which one you subscribe to? Probably which ever one is hot in the Bush Admin at the present time, which, gee, happens to be the liberation story. If his cabinent said we need to get rid of Saddam because he's ugly, you'd probably agree.
So now, why should ANYBODY, civillian or soldier, die because a Texas oiler wants more?