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tadou said:
If you don't trust your government, you don't trust your own people. And if you don't support your own people, you are a sociopath.

So if my choices are being a sociopath or a patriot.....i choose to be a patriot.
Since when is the government "my own people"? Most of the politicians are greedy rich folx. Not my kind of people. They don't come to my house. They don't kick it with me and my crew. They aren't family.
So, would you say that MLK was a sociapath? What about Malcom X?
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
one must be a fool to believe that any U.S. president has ever supported the cold blooded killing of any Iraqi civilian the way Saddam did. Bush Senior is not president anymore, so we don't have to worry about that.
One must be a fool not to belive that. Bush is doing it right now. Bush senior (former head of the CIA, mind you) may not be president right now, but his son is... you dont think he talks to daddy at night asking him what to do?
 
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MeloTrauma said:
One must be a fool not to belive that.
Ok, so only a fool would believe that Bush Senior DID NOT support the torture, rape, and murder or innocent men, women, and children, outside of war? Only a fool would believe that he DID NOT support civilians being dropped into acid bath's, the amputation of tounge and limbs, hanging, and the torture/domise of the sporting world (list goes on much further)? I think either your making dumb statements just to counter one of my posts, or you really don't know whats going on.

MeloTrauma said:
Bush is doing it right now.
He is supporting Saddam by invading his country, killing his sons, freeing his people, and making him stand trial? This concludes my thoughts about your previous statement.

MeloTrauma said:
Bush senior (former head of the CIA, mind you) may not be president right now, but his son is... you dont think he talks to daddy at night asking him what to do?
Thats a two-way statement. It could mean that..

1. Bush must support Saddam because he is seeking advice from his father who did support him.

2. Bush Sernior doesn't support Saddam, because if Bush Jr. is seeking advice from him, clearly feelings of disgust are present when looking at what the consequences to Saddam's actions were.

Everything that Saddam did when Bush Senior was in power was not out in the open, people in Iraq were not willing to talk. I understand that Bush Senior supported Saddam through some of the damage he did, but to assume that he supported everything the man did up to and including the killing of children is like I said, a fool's way of thinking. How are we supposed to know what he does behind closed doors in his country, they didn't have a camera strapped to him so that we could watch his every move.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
I think either your making dumb statements just to counter one of my posts, or you really don't know whats going on.[/B


Look who's talking smartass. Do you know everything thats going on? FUCK NO. So shut your fucking yap about that shit.

Im saying that Bush does support the cold blooded killing of Iraqi civillians... I dont give a fuck if its within wartime or not, the way Saddam did it or not - Bush is still killin mutha fuckas no matter what way you look at it! Yes, civillians too. But nowhere did I say he supported Saddam (although you never know, yes, YOU never know)... you just arguing for the sake of arguing... ho shit.


Nitro the Guru said:
but to assume that he supported everything the man did up to and including the killing of children is like I said, a fool's way of thinking.
We killing children over there right now, genius. Get the fuck outta here FOOL.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Im saying that Bush does support the cold blooded killing of Iraqi civillians... I dont give a fuck if its within wartime or not, the way Saddam did it or not - Bush is still killin mutha fuckas no matter what way you look at it! Yes, civillians too.
Your right, Iraqi civilians are dying under his command, but not dileberatley. If Bush had the choice of eliminating the opposition without civilian casualty, he would definatley go that route. It's a time of war, something you just don't understand. Can you name a single war in the history of this world where a civilian did not die? Our purpose is to rid the evil from that country whereas Saddam's purpose was to make people fear and obey him through torture and murder. If you don't understand the difference then I will let this go right now.

Put it this way, what we are doing is similar to when we execute a prisoner who has been sentenced to death; what he is doing is what that prisoner did to get the death sentence.

MeloTrauma said:
But nowhere did I say he supported Saddam (although you never know, yes, YOU never know)... you just arguing for the sake of arguing... ho shit.
I apologize, I must have misinterpreted that part of your post.

MeloTrauma said:
We killing children over there right now, genius. Get the fuck outta here FOOL.
War is ugly. Murder is even uglier.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Our purpose is to rid the evil from that country whereas Saddam's purpose was to make people fear and obey him through torture and murder. If you don't understand the difference then I will let this go right now.
Wasn't our purpose to rid the country of Weapons of Mass Destruction? Isn't Bush trying to make Iraq (actually the entire MiddleEast) fear and obey America through torture and murder (we do torture over there ya know)

Oil... thats all this whole damn thing is about.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Im saying that Bush does support the cold blooded killing of Iraqi civillians... I dont give a fuck if its within wartime or not, the way Saddam did it or not -
did you say cold blooded killing of iraqi citizens??? if so can you supply some reputable source?? because i doubt that we are over there just killing people for the fun of it.

MeloTrauma said:
Bush is still killin mutha fuckas no matter what way you look at it! Yes, civillians too.
thats too bad although we all feel bad about it (colateral damage) it is part of war.

MeloTrauma said:
We killing children over there right now, genius.
you act as if we are targeting children.

its sad when we make a mistake and people die.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Wasn't our purpose to rid the country of Weapons of Mass Destruction?
YES

MeloTrauma said:
Isn't Bush trying to make Iraq (actually the entire MiddleEast) fear and obey America through torture and murdeR
NO

MeloTrauma said:
(we do torture over there ya know)
REALLY??? ARE YOU A SOLDIER WHO WAS OVER THERE PARTICIPATING IN A TORTURE SESSION??

HOW CAN YOU MAKE SUCH AN ASSUMPTION AND PAINT IT AS A FACT???

MeloTrauma said:
Oil... thats all this whole damn thing is about.
REALLY??? WELL THEN IF THIS IS REALLY ABOUT OIL WHY DIDNT WE DO IN EARLIER???

WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS NATIONAL SECURITY AND TRYING TO PREVENT ANOTHER 9-11 FROM HAPPENING AGAIN
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
did you say cold blooded killing of iraqi citizens??? if so can you supply some reputable source?? because i doubt that we are over there just killing people for the fun of it.

No I said civillians. And do I really need a source to back up the fact that it is happening all over that country? Stop being naive.



thats too bad although we all feel bad about it (colateral damage) it is part of war.

If you really felt bad about it, youd be against it. Were the people who died in 9/11 just colateral damage to you? They were to Bin Laden and his crew.


you act as if we are targeting children.
its sad when we make a mistake and people die.
Mistake? People are being killed on purpose too... oh but wait, because it is a war thats the exception. When a drive by shooter accidently hits your son, what you gonna say? "Well, he didnt mean to hit my son, he was aiming at someone else."
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Mistake? People are being killed on purpose too... oh but wait, because it is a war thats the exception. When a drive by shooter accidently hits your son, what you gonna say? "Well, he didnt mean to hit my son, he was aiming at someone else."
Was the guy he was aiming for suspect of hundreds of thousands of death's? Is the shooter a figure of authority? Not that it would make it ok for the child to be killed, but it would completely change the scenerio.

MeloTrauma said:
If you really felt bad about it, youd be against it. Were the people who died in 9/11 just colateral damage to you? They were to Bin Laden and his crew.
The difference is, those that died in the building were targeted by Bin Laden. The civilians in Iraq were not our target. If he (Bin Laden) declared war on the U.S., aimed at an cotton crop, missed the target and hit a building, it would be different.
 
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How did I know you guys were gonna jump on that one? Well then that would make the people on the planes that crashed into the buildings collateral damage, right?

McVeigh said the people inside the building he bombed in Oaklahoma were collateral damage in a message he was sending, so thats ok, right? No? Why, because you dont believe in the same principals in which he based an attack on right? Its the same thing no matter what.

Look... fuck the term collateral damage... thats just a tidy sounding word to take away the ugliness from the word "murder." Hey guys, if your mom was inside a building in Iraq and the US bombed it, would that be ok because she was just collateral damage?

And don't give me this shit about "Well you cant base an argument on "ifs"... because somebodys innocent mother and children are killed everyday in Iraq by the US.

Why do I bother arguing with Bush's sheep.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
WELL THEN IF THIS IS REALLY ABOUT OIL WHY DIDNT WE DO IN EARLIER???

Maybe your just too young to remember the Gulf War in 91.

WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS NATIONAL SECURITY AND TRYING TO PREVENT ANOTHER 9-11 FROM HAPPENING AGAIN
That the funniest shit Ive heard in a long time
 
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MeloTrauma said:
McVeigh said the people inside the building he bombed in Oaklahoma were collateral damage in a message he was sending, so thats ok, right?
No because he planned on them all dying. They were the target regardless what he said. He planted a bomb in a building full of people, he had intent to kill them all.

MeloTrauma said:
Hey guys, if your mom was inside a building in Iraq and the US bombed it, would that be ok because she was just collateral damage?
I would be pissed off, of course. But technically, yes, it would be collateral damage. I would take the responsibility upon myself to do what I can in order to move her out of harms way.

MeloTrauma said:
Why do I bother arguing with Bush's sheep.
Who said I even liked Bush? That's not to say I do or don't, but I'm just wondering where you came up with this "Bush's sheep", because I never said I like him as a president, or that I believe anything he says.

I love America. I want to see Saddam's regime brought down. America is bringing Saddam's regime down. Bush is heading the action, I support him in the process.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Look... fuck the term collateral damage... thats just a tidy sounding word to take away the ugliness from the word "murder."
your using the term "murder" very loosely.

killing somebody and murdering somebody is not the same.

MeloTrauma said:
Hey guys, if your mom was inside a building in Iraq and the US bombed it, would that be ok because she was just collateral damage?
no it wouldnt be ok it would be a tragedy amd collater damage just like it is for the Iraqis who have lost an innocent loved one
 
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From Refdesk.com:

KILL merely states the fact of death caused by an agency in any manner <killed in an accident> <frost killed the plants>.

MURDER specifically implies stealth and motive and premeditation and therefore full moral responsibility <convicted of murdering a rival>.

I think Im using the correct term here.