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Nitro the Guru said:
Everybody elses?! Like who? The countries that Hitler was invading? Your trying to say that we didn't care about what Hitler was doing, but you don't know AT ALL what our government felt about him. What I KNOW is that our government put an end to his ruling.
Britian and France decided to go to war as soon as Poland was invaded, before they were invaded themselves... but also Austrailia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa... I think more outside of Europe too.

You say I dont know what the gov felt about Hitler, well, niether do you. You say you know our gov put an end to his reign... well I say I know our gov didnt go to war until Dec 1941.

How the fuck did we get on this anyway? We talking WWII in a Saddam thread.
 
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You know what, your right, we should have entered Germany earlier, it would have spared the lives of many Jewish people. My point here is that, we shouldn't wait around this time with Saddam.
 
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in 1935 when mussolin's italy invaded ethiopia, US placed an embargo on munitions. But it still imported oil to italy, which was essential to the invasion

in 1936, Roosevelt administration sponsored an act that stop the the US from helping the spanish government, this cause a fascist rebellion to overthrow the democratic elected leader at the time. mussolini and hitler giving aid to the fascist rebellion.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:

Someone who will side with another based on Anti-Americanism for the sake of agreeing and further belittling the country.
That's a real cute way of avoiding my point.

Originally posted by 2-0-Sixx
^^Right, and you can go even deeper by stating who helped fund Hitler and who made money because of Hitler....Bush anyone?
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
You know what, your right, we should have entered Germany earlier, it would have spared the lives of many Jewish people. My point here is that, we shouldn't wait around this time with Saddam.
I see your point, but Saddam was America's homie for a while when Iran was the big threat. It doesnt take a whole war to stop our puppet, all it takes is one bullet. The military had so many opportunities to take him out... I mean, we were close to the guy. Many Iraqi lives could of been spared had we acted upon taking out the guy when he started gassing his own people. The 3500 Iraqi civillians (thats the low estimate, Ive seen higher) that we killed in the Gulf War in 1991 could still be alive right now had we taken him out as soon as he started acting up. So, why didnt we? Thats the big question there. If we are so much for the liberation of Iraq, why didnt we do it when he was killing his peeps in in the late 80s, why didnt we do it in 91? The gov loves a war, its good for the economy, political careers of our leaders, and thier legacy. We need enemies around to wage war on, and that is why saddam was around for so long... you say we shouldnt wait around this time for Saddam, well, too late. And it cost hella lives. Not to mention that all this is done in the name of freedom under God.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
I see your point, but Saddam was America's homie for a while when Iran was the big threat. It doesnt take a whole war to stop our puppet, all it takes is one bullet. The military had so many opportunities to take him out... I mean, we were close to the guy. Many Iraqi lives could of been spared had we acted upon taking out the guy when he started gassing his own people. The 3500 Iraqi civillians (thats the low estimate, Ive seen higher) that we killed in the Gulf War in 1991 could still be alive right now had we taken him out as soon as he started acting up. So, why didnt we? Thats the big question there. If we are so much for the liberation of Iraq, why didnt we do it when he was killing his peeps in in the late 80s, why didnt we do it in 91? The gov loves a war, its good for the economy, political careers of our leaders, and thier legacy. We need enemies around to wage war on, and that is why saddam was around for so long... you say we shouldnt wait around this time for Saddam, well, too late. And it cost hella lives. Not to mention that all this is done in the name of freedom under God.
Well said, I don't have good answer to your question, at least not one that will support my country. I think America fucked up by helping Saddam into office (which wasn't entirely done by us), I think we fucked up by funding him with weapons and capital, and we definatley fucked up by leaving him in office (and not killing him when we had the chance). I don't support everything our country does, I'm neither left nor right, but I support the domise of Saddam's Regime, the Ba'ath party, Saddam Fedayeen (fighters), Uday & Qusay, Osama Bin Laden & al Qaeda (there are more). Even if I hated America as much as some people on here do, I would still support their actions on these organizations, not take up arms with them.

Hypothetical Q's:

Do you support gorilla warfare from a global perspective, MeloTrauma? Let me put it this way, if the United States' oil supply was completely depleted and we couldn't import it anymore, do you support conquering oil supply's that are not ours, in order to maintain our way of life? Or do you think we should have America cease operations as we know it, rendering all cars, trains, planes, plant equiptment, and farm equiptment useless while we all grow orange tree's in our front yard and hope they sprout enough fruit to feed our children.

If the United States is run by terrorists, is it so bad that we are going after and eliminating other terrorists? Should the fact that we have blood on our hands prevent us from fighting evil doers?

Do you think the unintentional killing of a few thousand civilians during a time of war, in order to prevent tens of thousands of civilian deaths over a span of time in the future is justifiable? What are you going to say in 10 years, when octuple the amount of civilians are dead than would have been had we done it by force. At least the blood is not on our hands? They are still dead, and we allowed it to happen (remember WWII).

What do you think the United States should have done, given the fact that we can't go back in time and change the way shit happened. Right here and right now, what do we do about Iraq (assuming the war never took place). Do you think we should let Iraqi's live the way they are acustom to, whether they are being killed or not? What other possibilities would you suggest to the president?
 
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Even if I I hated America as much as some people on here do, I would still support their actions on these organizations, not take up arms with them.

I dont think we hate America, we just hate what our representatives are doing. There are always going to be people who don't like the way theyre being represented to the world.

Do you support gorilla warfare from a global perspective, MeloTrauma? Let me put it this way, if the United States' oil supply was completely depleted and we couldn't import it anymore, do you support conquering oil supply's that are not ours, in order to maintain our way of life? Or do you think we should have America cease operations as we know it, rendering all cars, trains, planes, plant equiptment, and farm equiptment useless while we all grow orange tree's in our front yard and hope they sprout enough fruit to feed our children.

If it is strictly about obtaining resources, I believe there is a better way to go about these kind of things without killing. Call me a pacifist, but its 2003... do we still have to kill people for oil? There is already technology where we no longer need oil in our lives, but it is too efficient, and there would be no reason to war, no reason to horde other countries wealth (not always oil) if we we're no longer depending on oil.

If the United States is run by terrorists, is it so bad that we are going after and eliminating other terrorists? Should the fact that we have blood on our hands prevent us from fighting evil doers?

We are the evil-doer responsible for alot of shit we're trying to fix now. Personally, I believe we created most other terrorists by being the world's biggest terrorists. I belive we have the ability to live together peacefully, but only if we, the superpower, is peaceful... we are not. The superpower has performed alot of injustices around the world. We created our enemies. It was no suprise to me when 9/11 happened... we had it coming.

Do you think the unintentional killing of a few thousand civilians during a time of war, in order to prevent tens of thousands of civilian deaths over a span of time in the future is justifiable? What are you going to say in 10 years, when octuple the amount of civilians are dead than would have been had we done it by force. At least the blood is not on our hands? They are still dead, and we allowed it to happen (remember WWII).

Who is to say who would die in X amount of time? I do know for a fact that people die when we invade. I also believe there are other ways to take out an "evildoer" than invading the peoples country and terrorizing the land. Imagine bombs dropping in your nighborhood at night, seeking shelter, seeing your loved ones "unintentionally killed" If you want to liberate Iraqis so bad, let them come here to the land of the free...oh wait, you dont want that either.

What do you think the United States should have done, given the fact that we can't go back in time and change the way shit happened. Right here and right now, what do we do about Iraq (assuming the war never took place). Do you think we should let Iraqi's live the way they are acustom to, whether they are being killed or not? What other possibilities would you suggest to the president?

You ask me what we should of done given the fact that we cant go back in time and change shit... yet you also say "assuming the war never had taken place." Thats going back in time and changing shit right there. How am I supposed to answer that?
 
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MeloTrauma said:
If it is strictly about obtaining resources, I believe there is a better way to go about these kind of things without killing. Call me a pacifist, but its 2003... do we still have to kill people for oil? There is already technology where we no longer need oil in our lives, but it is too efficient, and there would be no reason to war, no reason to horde other countries wealth (not always oil) if we we're no longer depending on oil.
Are you talking about hydrogen power? Efficient indeed, makes up for 99% of the universe -- I don't think anyone is gonig to war over that. I did a term paper last semester on hydrogen powered vehicles. They have already made them and they are fully operational. They produce no toxic gas, just puddles of water along the street. Hydrogen powered machinery is inevitable. Making the cars and puting them on the street is easy, the major concern is how to build stations so tanks can be filled. Well that and doing away with oil, which would be a severe hit to the economy.

MeloTrauma said:
I belive we have the ability to live together peacefully, but only if we, the superpower, is peaceful... we are not. The superpower has performed alot of injustices around the world. We created our enemies. It was no suprise to me when 9/11 happened... we had it coming.
Good answer. Let me ask you this; If a rightous leader rose to power in America with plans to do away with the enemies that our past leaders created, would you recognize and accept it, or sit there and say "well we created those enemies" like many of you are doing right now with Bush.

MeloTrauma said:
If you want to liberate Iraqis so bad, let them come here to the land of the free...oh wait, you dont want that either.
Not especially, no. Because the problem would still be present (Saddam). I think he would kill many of them before they could leave.

MeloTrauma said:
You ask me what we should of done given the fact that we cant go back in time and change shit... yet you also say "assuming the war never had taken place." Thats going back in time and changing shit right there. How am I supposed to answer that?
I'm refering to the point in time right before the war.
 
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MeloTrauma said:
Britian and France decided to go to war as soon as Poland was invaded, before they were invaded themselves...
your making it sound like Brittian and France acted swiftly against Germany, "Britian and France decided to go to war as soon as Poland was invaded". when in reality they (Europe) let him get away with invading Hungary, Austria and a few others before they acted.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Well said, I don't have good answer to your question, at least not one that will support my country. I think America fucked up by helping Saddam into office
i dont think that we were in the wrong in supporting him after he got in, because at the time our true enemy was Iran, which was also his greatest enemy. i also dont see anything wrong with supplying him and his army with conventional weapons.

where i do feel that we messed up is where we supplied them with Chemical agents.

i also fell that we messed up in 1991 when we alowed the UN to tell us that we could drive him out of Kuwait but not go into Iraq and get him.

WE SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO IRAQ AND GOT HIM BACK IN 1991.

but regardless of what happened i feel that we have righted the wrong by getting him NOW. Late is better than never
 
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How are the klan meetings going, 2-0-sixx? Have you guys burned down any crosses or colored churches today? Send the wizard my disgust, will ya? Thanks.
 
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why you joking about 20sixx being a kkk member!?

i never recall him saying/endorsing/promoting/implying white supremacy or nazi views.

what a lame joke.
 
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nefar559 said:
i never recall him saying/endorsing/promoting/implying white supremacy or nazi views.
I never recall myself saying/endorsing/promoting/implying any fascist views, so your entire attempt at saving your commi friend has just been killed. In fact, almost everything I have said on this board since I have been here is opposing fascism. I would like to include that I have never said anything implying white supremacy either. Just because a person doesn't praise the black race and speak upon them as if they are perfect rightous humans, does not at all imply white supremacy. In fact, the person that speaks upon the black race in the most negetive manner (on this board) is black himself.

I knew we had more Klan members on this board, send the wizard my disgust as well, thanks.

nefar559 said:
what a lame joke.
It's funny your boyfriend made almost the exact same joke. Now go kill yourself, because you look dumb as fuck after that post.

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Nitro the Guru said:
I never recall myself saying/endorsing/promoting/implying any fascist views, so your entire attempt at saving your commi friend has just been killed. In fact, almost everything I have said on this board since I have been here is opposing fascism. I would like to include that I have never said anything implying white supremacy either. Just because a person doesn't praise the black race and speak upon them as if they are perfect rightous humans, does not at all imply white supremacy. In fact, the person that speaks upon the black race in the most negetive manner (on this board) is black himself.

I knew we had more Klan members on this board, send the wizard my disgust as well, thanks.



It's funny your boyfriend made almost the exact same joke. Now go kill yourself, because you look dumb as fuck after that post.

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actually proppa has just been qouted saying he'll destory anyone who hates america...fascist views, mcleanhatch joked about when he first started posting in the GoM.

phil, and you (nitro) just happens to back each others views. And calling all who oppose the US invasion of iraq, an "anti-american".

that is the premise of the joke....doesn't mean you have those views, just that you asscocate with them.

you on the other hand have nothing on 20sixx about nazi views or white supremacy views...which makes that joke lame.


Nitro the Guru said:
In fact, the person that speaks upon the black race in the most negetive manner (on this board) is black himself.
you really want that to be true uh?


Nitro the Guru said:

It's funny your boyfriend made almost the exact same joke. Now go kill yourself, because you look dumb as fuck after that post.
LOL. calm down fool.
 
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nefar559 said:
actually proppa has just been qouted saying he'll destory anyone who hates america...fascist views, mcleanhatch joked about when he first started posting in the GoM.
I am not proppa or mcleanhatch.

nefar559 said:
phil, and you (nitro) just happens to back each others views.
You back 2-0-Sixx's views all the time, are you a commi-athiest? Are all of you that agree commi-athiests?

nefar559 said:
And calling all who oppose the US invasion of iraq, an "anti-american".
If you look at my defenitions of an Anti-American, you will find that none of them say anything about opposing the war in Iraq.

nefar559 said:
that is the premise of the joke....doesn't mean you have those views, just that you asscocate with them.

you on the other hand have nothing on 20sixx about nazi views or white supremacy views...which makes that joke lame.
It actually doesn't work like that. I have shown not only no support for fascism, but I have bashed fascist leaders and talked against it (so has mcleanhatch). So it doesn't matter that I agree with mcleanhatch about the invasion of Iraq, that is not grounds to call me a fascist. So if your going to label me like that, then it's open season.

nefar559 said:
you really want that to be true uh?
Uhhh, it is 100% fact.