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TAY CAPONE1

TAY CAPONE1

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I GO WHERE ITS GOOD AT. IVE BEEN 2 EVERY STATE IN AMERIKKA I WANTED 2 GO 2 AND PROMOTED MYSELF. MUSIC BRINGS A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES. U EITHER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EM OR U DONT. IF U ARE A DREAMER,U JUST THINK BIG AND CHASE THAT DREAM...BUT IF U ACTUALLY WORK AND PROGRESS AND GAIN EXPERIENCE U MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT THE FUCC YOURE TALKING ABOUT. HOBBY RAPPERS HAVE 2 SPEND MONEY(their own i guess) 2 MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND PROFESSIONALS MAKE MONEY 4 MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. WE CAN CUT THE CRAP,I NEVER REALLY GOT THE ANSWER 2 MY QUESTION ANYWAY...LOL. THE SICCNESS IS ALWAYS GOOD 4 MATCHIN WITS AND I APPRECIATE ALL ANGLES AND GET A CHANCE 2 LEARN 2. HAVE A GOOD DAY EVERYBODY.I GOT SOME WORK 2 DO. WCM
 
Gemini

Gemini

Sicc OG
#102
May 16, 2002
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#102
antilabs said:
@gemini:

How about anybody that's ever had 10,000+ people checking for them and their projects at any given point in time. Imho, generally speaking, that's the threshold for what constitutes a sustainable amount of interest beyond a "hustle," and puts you in "career" territory. This is measurable in a number of different ways, it used to be primarily by sales. Now useful measurement tools are represented by Facebook traffic, Twitter follows, Youtube views and Last.fm statistics.

It's not my prerogative to call anyone out, but everyone here should know independently which side of the line they land on, and overall it doesn't matter to me which side anyone lands on specifically.
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I agree! We're all on a highway. Some people pass up the ones on the right lane using the left lane (fast lane.) Some use the car pool lane in attempt to get there faster & doesn't always work out that way. That's how I picture the rap game in early 2G's. In 2011 we're all stuck in a traffic jam.
 
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SMOKE1230

Sicc OG
#104
Dec 12, 2006
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TAY CAPONE1 said:
NOTHING PERSONAL AGAINST U HOMIE BUT THIS IS THE TYPE OF THINKING THAT OVERSATURATED THE GAME. I GUESS THE MORE U ARE WORTH AND THE MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING 2 INVEST BUT ON AN INDEPENDENT LEVEL 5-6 G'S WILL KEEP IN THE LOWER BRACCET UNLESS YOUR ARTIST IS A PHENOM. GETTING A PROJECT MIXED AND MASTERED ALONE 4 5-6 G'S IS A SUPER DEAL ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL. THAT PART OF THE GAME HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED CUZ HOBBYISTS THINK THEY CAN SPEND $500 ON MIXING AND $200 ON FEATURES AND HAVE A QUALITY PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT. I'D LIKE 2 SEE THE FAIL/SUCCEED RATIO 4 PEOPLE WHO TRY THAT FORMULA.
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I cant really argue with you seeing that you're an OG in this shit and I grew up on your shit. I do agree with you however, but I think what you're talking about is too many wack ass rappers buying pro tools and an IMAC and putting out garbage. I believe Mr. Ea ski said it quite elequently not too long ago. If you're an indapendant artist just starting out, chances are you dont have a huge budget. If you're dope, than 5-6 g's will put out something dope. I do however also think the game is oversatuated with people who think they can rap and surround themselves with yes men who tell them they are tight. They will fizzle out eventually. I will disagree with you in that you do not have to pay 5-6 racks for quality mastering. Take the masterin room for example. I'm not sure exactly what they charge but I am pretty sure it is not 5-6 g's. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, my homie Indecent The Slapmaster will mix and master a project for a little bit of nothing and do an exallent job. So my point being, if you're a starving artist and you are dope, 5-6 gs will give you a quality project to get you going. Alright I'm off my soapbox. Tay it's an honor to talk to you BTW. How much do you charge for a 16?
 
thizz

thizz

Sicc OG
#105
Sep 3, 2004
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#105
As someone who puts out projects I say you need a budget of at least 30k to make an impact. I gave an example of selling 1,500 units cuz I feel that is realistic for a lot of rappers on here. But I spend $15,000 on Roach Gigz projects that we give away for the first month. And that's what we consider a "free mixtape". Tay's point that people are missing is that the reason why the music sucks is there are no real budgets for these indy projects. Berner is a prime example of spending with a plan. While a lot of people hated on him for paying artist for features they missed the fact that he also paid some of the best producers for beats and had the best graphic designer. And by doing so he made solid projects. And now 4 short years later he has 7 albums released on his label and is getting paid for his verses and has a following all over the country. To compete you have to play at a high level and there are no budget excuses.
 
Gemini

Gemini

Sicc OG
#107
May 16, 2002
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#107
thizz said:
As someone who puts out projects I say you need a budget of at least 30k to make an impact. I gave an example of selling 1,500 units cuz I feel that is realistic for a lot of rappers on here. But I spend $15,000 on Roach Gigz projects that we give away for the first month. And that's what we consider a "free mixtape". Tay's point that people are missing is that the reason why the music sucks is there are no real budgets for these indy projects. Berner is a prime example of spending with a plan. While a lot of people hated on him for paying artist for features they missed the fact that he also paid some of the best producers for beats and had the best graphic designer. And by doing so he made solid projects. And now 4 short years later he has 7 albums released on his label and is getting paid for his verses and has a following all over the country. To compete you have to play at a high level and there are no budget excuses.
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Again, I can agree to disagree. Let me start by stating this, it's been said before, some people got it, some people don't. At the end of it all Berner is a talented artist. He knows how to tell a story on record. After hearing The White Album, I feel Berner is holding back a bit & has a great album within him. He just needs to stop catering himself to the image that he wants to portray & let loose a bit & he'll execute something great IMHO. Talent is a big part that's missing within the game when you have a saturation of artist rapping or doing anything for that matter.

I don't buy the whole investment / budget deal due to a budget of whatever amount money can not buy you talent. You can have a large budget, record in the top notch studios, feature the big named artist, have the best production, the best videos, the best promotion, the biggest shows, but it will all go nowhere if you are not talented. I could of said this all in one word...





















































































BENZINO






























































Some of you who have been around the music scene for awhile know what I'm talking about. Now, we can argue that the music today, the artist on the radio are not talented etc. We can yell, kick & scream that the independent music scene is the most talented. Staying real within oneself & the music etc. And that's all good, but just understand that your realness is not what the rest of the world wants to hear.






Sorry Benzino LOL!


:cool:
 
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Foul Mouth

Sicc OG
#108
Apr 25, 2002
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#108
Gemini said:
Again, I can agree to disagree. Let me start by stating this, it's been said before, some people got it, some people don't. At the end of it all Berner is a talented artist. He knows how to tell a story on record. After hearing The White Album, I feel Berner is holding back a bit & has a great album within him. He just needs to stop catering himself to the image that he wants to portray & let loose a bit & he'll execute something great IMHO. Talent is a big part that's missing within the game when you have a saturation of artist rapping or doing anything for that matter.
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barely anyone was buying Berners albums for "him". he has a formula that is working for him, and its not based on his "talents" as far as rapping goes. he's selling a package. he's dropping money and it shows in the package.

not tryna knock dude on the mic. but i give him his dap as a business man. thats the part that comes first if your tryna succeed in a business.
 
Gemini

Gemini

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#109
May 16, 2002
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#109
Foul Mouth said:
barely anyone was buying Berners albums for "him". he has a formula that is working for him, and its not based on his "talents" as far as rapping goes. he's selling a package. he's dropping money and it shows in the package.

not tryna knock dude on the mic. but i give him his dap as a business man. thats the part that comes first if your tryna succeed in a business.
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That's your opinion & I respect it, but I don't think people today are buying Cd's simply for the cover. Especially when you can download any album out there & preview it first.
 
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Foul Mouth

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#110
Apr 25, 2002
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naw what i mean is he's selling a package. he's putting money into a package. the cover is only part of it. he's investing in every aspect of his product. he aint a good rapper, imo. but thats not whats selling his product. his investments are selling it.
 
Gemini

Gemini

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#111
May 16, 2002
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#111
Foul Mouth said:
naw what i mean is he's selling a package. he's putting money into a package. the cover is only part of it. he's investing in every aspect of his product. he aint a good rapper, imo. but thats not whats selling his product. his investments are selling it.
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I see what your saying, but then again we just never really know. I mean, you may think he's not tight, but same difference is that some people might think Drake is not tight. Or Lil Wayne is selling a gimmick etc. it goes on & on.

Some may think country, rock etc. may be horrible music. In the end it's a matter of opinion. Only the majority of people today all agree the music is garbage.
 
antilabs

antilabs

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#112
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@gemini:

at what point did thizz say berner wasn't talented? basic talent that meshes w/your target audience is a given, you have to have at least that, so it's not even worth mentioning.

that said, his point was that since it's a given you need talent as a performer, you need to invest in these things to make an impact in a sustainable way. and he qualified it with his experiences, which given his track record, a reasonable person would find it difficult to rationally take issue with.
 
Gemini

Gemini

Sicc OG
#113
May 16, 2002
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#113
antilabs said:
@gemini:

at what point did thizz say berner wasn't talented? basic talent that meshes w/your target audience is a given, you have to have at least that, so it's not even worth mentioning.

that said, his point was that since it's a given you need talent as a performer, you need to invest in these things to make an impact in a sustainable way. and he qualified it with his experiences, which given his track record, a reasonable person would find it difficult to rationally take issue with.
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It's a misunderstanding, Bro. I was speaking in general. I simply used Berner as an example.
 
Unknown Poet

Unknown Poet

Banned
#115
Dec 3, 2009
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Just do what Tech N9ne did....

he gave his album for free WAYY back in the day..
at low quality sound.. and people were feeling it so much online..
they bought it... then it just grew from there...

He's the number indie rapper in the world...
just read up on what he did.. and that's the way to do the indie hustle..

as for mainstream rap.. just look good... rap really wack..
and then throw autotune over all the vocals.. you can make an album
in like a day... then dumb little girls will buy it..
cause they think you sexy lol..

just kidding.. but yeaaa.. bottom like get your money..
but put out good music.. and drink beer

also make sure the music is violent... Ice Cube...
started.. this gangsta shit... and this the mother fucking thanks he gets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNAP7lnLSwA

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thizz

thizz

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#116
Sep 3, 2004
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#116
Talent has a lot to do with success but my point was quality. And Berner has always presented quality projects. Whether you like his music or not the one thing you cannot say is that it does not sound and look professional. Just like with a girl if she looks like shit, dress like shit, and sounds like shit how are you going to know that she is actually a great person? And by no means do I feel I have the formula to succeed in the indy rap game for everybody but I know I have a formula that works for me. The problem I see is artist expecting people to buy albums they wouldn't even buy.
 
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JimmydaButcher

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#117
May 12, 2002
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I've spoke to Berner about business. He had a budget to work with, his own. Networked with artists. Compensated them for their craft. Released quality albums. Kept all aspects of his business strait. Stayed humble and did all of this while perfecting his own craft. I agree he is much more of a business man than a rapper. That's exactly what you should be. Because of that he's moved twice as fast than most artists have independently. Hate it or love it, that Yoko joint is getting exposure/rotation on a national level. He probably has put 10x more money out there than he got back but his formula's finally paying off. Congratulations to him for adapting to this new industry when most are still trying to figure it out.
 
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