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BigDeebo.... JaMarcus Russell is fuckin' deep. Just look at his ball placement skills. He can throw the ball 85 yards with accuracy. And he's 6'6... I wouldn't be opposed to the Raiders starting a rookie quarterback. Just because he's a rookie doesn't mean he won't play well and it's a team game. It's not going to be all on him to win games by himself. Look at the Steelers with big Ben. It's about how Russell manages the game.
Trade the 1st pick for Brett Favre? No way in hell. The Raiders should draft Russell because he'll be the QB of the future. Walter is garbage. Brooks might be gone too....
Trade the 1st pick for Brett Favre? No way in hell. The Raiders should draft Russell because he'll be the QB of the future. Walter is garbage. Brooks might be gone too....
It not about winning soon. Its about building for the future..something Al Davis should take into consideration. What would be the point in trading the #1 overall pick for a player who will only be around another year? Thats the stupidest thing Ive ever heard.
Yeah and just look at Vince Young..
Walter wasn't a rookie last year BTW
Yeah and just look at Vince Young..
Walter wasn't a rookie last year BTW
^He's got some good points.... but just because we draft Russell out of LSU and possibly start him doesn't mean we're rebuilding. I think he can come in and play right away and win. Experience is the best teacher! This Russell cat is talented. Just watch him play, he does things that NFL QB's are doing right now.
What I meant by rebuilding is starting a rookie QB, rather then a QB in the last year of his career. I personally rather go the route of a RB for the #1 overall pick or trade down and grab a RB and QB..
I dont think its fair to rule out Walter yet either..I think he deserves another shot with better talent and better coaching around him. If he's garbage like you say he is then your boy Brooks is just as big of a piece of trash..atleist Walter managed to pull off a couple wins this year. Brooks never really looked any better and he's got alot more experience.
I dont think its fair to rule out Walter yet either..I think he deserves another shot with better talent and better coaching around him. If he's garbage like you say he is then your boy Brooks is just as big of a piece of trash..atleist Walter managed to pull off a couple wins this year. Brooks never really looked any better and he's got alot more experience.
You dont know that. Youve only seen JaMarcus play at the college level, who knows what he'll be like in the NFL. He could be a total flop, it happens to QB's and just players in general, all the time. Just cus you are a stud in college, that means DICK at the pro level.
Look at Colston, he went to Hofstra for Christ sakes. Jerry Rice, possibly the greatest player ever, went to a Div 1AA school. Tom Brady barely exsisted at Michigan. Tomlinson went to TCU, a private mid-major.
Marques Tuiasasopo is the only player in Div 1 HISTORY, to pass for 300 yards and run for 200 yards in a game. What has he done in the NFL? Ryan Leaf was HIGHLY towded comin into the draft, as was Rick Mirer. Both were HUGE flops.
Good in college does NOT=good in the NFL.
Look at Colston, he went to Hofstra for Christ sakes. Jerry Rice, possibly the greatest player ever, went to a Div 1AA school. Tom Brady barely exsisted at Michigan. Tomlinson went to TCU, a private mid-major.
Marques Tuiasasopo is the only player in Div 1 HISTORY, to pass for 300 yards and run for 200 yards in a game. What has he done in the NFL? Ryan Leaf was HIGHLY towded comin into the draft, as was Rick Mirer. Both were HUGE flops.
Good in college does NOT=good in the NFL.
Just because you're starting a rookie QB doesn't mean you're rebuilding. See Pittsburgh and big Ben. He came right in aand the Steelers went something like 15-1 I think....
I am not going to get into a debate about who's worse out of Walter and Brooks. Walter is terrible. He's a statue... if you get pressure on his ass and blitz him he makes horrible decisions. With Brooks, I don't think he's accurate enough to throw the ball downfield. He's good with bullett passes but throwing with touch is one of his weaknesses.
There's no way the Raiders pass on a franchise qb like Russell with the first pick in the draft. No way! We could draft the best available running back in the second round. Can't pass up JaMarcus Russell.
I am not going to get into a debate about who's worse out of Walter and Brooks. Walter is terrible. He's a statue... if you get pressure on his ass and blitz him he makes horrible decisions. With Brooks, I don't think he's accurate enough to throw the ball downfield. He's good with bullett passes but throwing with touch is one of his weaknesses.
There's no way the Raiders pass on a franchise qb like Russell with the first pick in the draft. No way! We could draft the best available running back in the second round. Can't pass up JaMarcus Russell.
Gimpygimp... I am getting it dog. The reason we were first in sacks allowed had a lot to do with Art Shell and his garbage as scheme. When he first came he moved the offensive line around. Moved Gallery, etc... And then he brought back the 7 step drop. Critics questioined Art because he brought in a coordinator from a bed and breakfas business that has been out of the NFL for over 10 years. And look what happened. Both of them got canned. Can't blame the o-line when they are asked to block for 5 or 6 seconds and the receivers are running 30 and 40 yard patterns. In the NFL today the QB has to get rid of the ball in at least 3 to 4 seconds. Art didn't believe in that. That's why he got fired!!
We're going to draft Russell and then get the other problems with the o-line fixed. But it starts with drafting Russell. Or hiring a head coach with a mind for offense and then drafting Russell.
We're going to draft Russell and then get the other problems with the o-line fixed. But it starts with drafting Russell. Or hiring a head coach with a mind for offense and then drafting Russell.
The whole offensive line will have to be rebuilt in one year if you expect a rookie QB to have the same success in Oakland as Ben did his rookie year. Not to mention we still need a franchise back and WR's with some heart..Pittsburgh had all the piece together that year for it to work..
Just about any QB is like that when you have 2 seconds to throw the ball..The offensive line was H O R R I B L E. The play calling was H O R R I B L E. Even a "moblile" Brooks looked like a statue at times. Do you really think if Peyton Manning or Tom Brady were in the same situation their first starting year they would've done much better?
Just about any QB is like that when you have 2 seconds to throw the ball..The offensive line was H O R R I B L E. The play calling was H O R R I B L E. Even a "moblile" Brooks looked like a statue at times. Do you really think if Peyton Manning or Tom Brady were in the same situation their first starting year they would've done much better?
Nope they would have looked bad too. Thanks to the scheme. I would blame the scheme more than I would blame the offensive linemen. I am not saying that the linemen are all that good but Art's scheme made them look worse. Norv had the same linemen and they didn't look near as bad. They blocked for Kerry Kollins and he's didn't move as well either but at least he didn't get sacked as many times.
I blame the scheme more than the personnel. The o-line doesn't have to be rebuilt. Maybe a few changes (a few different players and a new head coach with an up to date scheme will fix things in Oakland, plus a new QB).
I blame the scheme more than the personnel. The o-line doesn't have to be rebuilt. Maybe a few changes (a few different players and a new head coach with an up to date scheme will fix things in Oakland, plus a new QB).
You obviously didn't watch many Raiders games when Norv was coaching. Yeah the line did a little better, but not much. They still played way below average and couldn't run block for shit..however Jordan ended up getting over 1,000 yards so I do give some credit. Boothe and McQuistan were both rookies last year and didn't play under Norv. The line in 05 wasn't too bad at times but there was also alot of different players on that line.
Bottom line is Walker should be gone so another takle is a huge need..Grove has been man handled most of the time at C his whole career and should be gone if he cant get it done next season. Gallery has been a bust, maybe he'll break out under a better scheme and having more experience at LT..I know all the coaching and position changes havn't helped his progression. If the offensive line doesn't improve quickly it wont matter who is playing QB next season.
Bottom line is Walker should be gone so another takle is a huge need..Grove has been man handled most of the time at C his whole career and should be gone if he cant get it done next season. Gallery has been a bust, maybe he'll break out under a better scheme and having more experience at LT..I know all the coaching and position changes havn't helped his progression. If the offensive line doesn't improve quickly it wont matter who is playing QB next season.
^We'll have to see what happens. The Raiders will improve under a new head coach. Jordan had 1,000, Randy had 1,000 and Kerry Kollins didn't get sacked as much as these QB's did this year. And they're pretty much the same linemen. I watched as many Raider games as I could. They did have some o line problem under Norv but they didn't look as bad as they looked last year. Blame the scheme and them being asked to block longer than your average offensive linemen these days.