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ArYo said:
They say the Quran is the purest book because it was written together with a group of enemies, I believe 9 of them, I could be wrong. Anyhow they say it was written by people that were all enemies so you know each person would be watchin each person, making sure everything that went into it was the proper word of Allah. I don't know everything about Islam or the Quran but I most of the things I have read in the Quran I can agree or relate to. I've known a lot of hardcore Christians that would kinda talk down on Islam a lil bit, and I changed their views vastly by just reading them certain Suras out the Quran. I read one Sura about how Islam recoginzes Jesus as the Messiah and those guys were suprised and had a whole new found of respect for Islam. But every single book was written by man, one way or another a mortal human being has wrote every book out there. So there is no way of telling which one is the REAL book. So just have faith in the religion you feel is right, and respect all other religions and beliefs and you'll be good. Quran is also the only book I have read that specifically says that all good religious people will make it into heaven whether they are Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc. and that's a fact.
I don't know exactly where you got your information, but most of what you posted here is not consistent with what most Sunni Muslims believe in. Firstly, it was not written by 9 enemies nor was it written by man. It is the word of God. Secondly, Muslims do not believe that all religious people will make it into heaven. Only those that proclaim and have firm belief that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet will enter paradise.
 

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Muslims do not believe that all religious people will make it into heaven.
Are you saying this is true for every muslim and all sects? Cause if it is, I have some links in one of my favorite folders that discuss this in great detail.

Only those that proclaim and have firm belief that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet will enter paradise.
Why is the acceptance of Muhammad a necessity?
 
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HERESY said:
Are you saying this is true for every muslim and all sects? Cause if it is, I have some links in one of my favorite folders that discuss this in great detail.



Why is the acceptance of Muhammad a necessity?
Not all Muslims believe this, but I know that almost all Sunni Muslims believe this and about 90% of Muslims are Sunni.

The acceptance of Muhammad being the last prophet is a necessity because it is the basis of Islam and distinguishes Muslims from other religions. The belief in one God is practiced by many religions. Therefore, it is necessary to believe in one God, but that is not the only criteria because it would mean that people of other religions and beliefs would be able to enter heaven. I one that must be noted is that a firm belief in both one God and Muhammad being the final prophet are necessary. In that manner, a person with a firm belief will ideally follow the teachings of Muhammad as closely as possible.
 

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Not all Muslims believe this, but I know that almost all Sunni Muslims believe this and about 90% of Muslims are Sunni.
Listen, you just said, "Muslims do not believe that all religious people will make it into heaven", but now you are claiming that not all muslims believe this and that you know that almost all Sunni Muslims believe this and that 90% of muslims are Sunni. Do you see anything wrong with your two statements?

The acceptance of Muhammad being the last prophet is a necessity because it is the basis of Islam and distinguishes Muslims from other religions.
But why should I have to accept this man? I know it distinguishes muslims from other religions, but you and I both know that many muslims practically hold the man as a deity. You can draw a picture of jesus and make fun of him and few muslims will take notice. Paint a picture of Muhammad and a person might be riddled with bullets or become a victim of a firebomb.

If I am to focus on GOD ALONE why the need to accept the prophet?

The belief in one God is practiced by many religions.
No, the belief in one "god" is practiced by many religions. There is a difference between the two.

Therefore, it is necessary to believe in one God, but that is not the only criteria because it would mean that people of other religions and beliefs would be able to enter heaven.
So, in order to differentiate, tack on this other guy and accept him?

I one that must be noted is that a firm belief in both one God and Muhammad being the final prophet are necessary. In that manner, a person with a firm belief will ideally follow the teachings of Muhammad as closely as possible.
Listen, I could see "accept the teachings of Muhammad because his teachings are what I taught him etc", but why the emphasis on him being the last prophet and accepting him?
 
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#45
ParkBoyz said:
Like I said, I'll just back off because you're getting upset, you're cursing me out and everything, lol.. I'm better with the science side of things anyways and I ain't tryna slip up and talk about things that I'm still learning about. So yea, have fun at school too, peace!
I'm not mad, you're just not contributing because you are lukewarm in this thread. You're either a Christian, Messianic Jew, or Muslim if you're going to debate.
 
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HERESY said:
Listen, you just said, "Muslims do not believe that all religious people will make it into heaven", but now you are claiming that not all muslims believe this and that you know that almost all Sunni Muslims believe this and that 90% of muslims are Sunni. Do you see anything wrong with your two statements?
Basically, what I am trying to say is that most Muslims believe that only Muslims will be allowed to enter heaven.



HERESY said:
But why should I have to accept this man? I know it distinguishes muslims from other religions, but you and I both know that many muslims practically hold the man as a deity. You can draw a picture of jesus and make fun of him and few muslims will take notice. Paint a picture of Muhammad and a person might be riddled with bullets or become a victim of a firebomb.

If I am to focus on GOD ALONE why the need to accept the prophet?
It is wrong to deify Muahmmad. He was not a God, he was just a human being like the rest of us. That being said, he is the most important person in the history of Islam. He is the most beloved person in the eyes of God. He went through many difficulties and sacrifices to spread the word of God. All Muslims should have the utmost love and respect for him. But people should not worship him. Associating anybody with Allah automatically makes a person a nonbeliever.



HERESY said:
No, the belief in one "god" is practiced by many religions. There is a difference between the two.
I don't understand what you are saying here. Can you please explain.



HERESY said:
So, in order to differentiate, tack on this other guy and accept him?
He is not just any other guy.



HERESY said:
Listen, I could see "accept the teachings of Muhammad because his teachings are what I taught him etc", but why the emphasis on him being the last prophet and accepting him?
Because that opens the door for others to claim that they are prophets. Muhammad was the last prophet and his message should be accepted until the day of judgment.
 
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No, the belief in one "god" is practiced by many religions. There is a difference between the two.
I don't understand what you are saying here. Can you please explain.
Notice the Lower Case g, he referring gods that are worshiped as one, for example like the Sikh Religion. Freemasonry, Hinduism, would you consider these One god figures, the same as the Christian or Muslim (G)od.
 

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Basically, what I am trying to say is that most Muslims believe that only Muslims will be allowed to enter heaven.
OK, just as long as you saw what I saw...

It is wrong to deify Muahmmad. He was not a God, he was just a human being like the rest of us. That being said, he is the most important person in the history of Islam. He is the most beloved person in the eyes of God.
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The most beloved person in the eyes of God? Why? What did Jesus do to NOT earn this form of favortism?

He went through many difficulties and sacrifices to spread the word of God.
But can't the same be said for all of the "prophets"?

All Muslims should have the utmost love and respect for him. But people should not worship him. Associating anybody with Allah automatically makes a person a nonbeliever.
But he IS being associated with Allah. Again, you and I both know that devotion to Muhammad has caused many riffs in the muslim community. You are saying all muslims should have respect for him, but you and I both know, that the other prophets get little to no respect. Again, you make a drawing of Jesus and few muslims will speak out. You make a drawing of Muhammad and you might get your head sawed from your body with a rusty one.

I don't understand what you are saying here. Can you please explain.
Stockton explained it, and I can go into a bit more detail. Muslims do not believe in the worship of Jabulon, Krsna, or any deity that may be worshipped in a monotheistic manner EXCEPT when it comes to the God of jews and christians.

He is not just any other guy.
Why not?

Because that opens the door for others to claim that they are prophets. Muhammad was the last prophet and his message should be accepted until the day of judgment.
But does it also open the doors for religious zealots who kill in the name of Allah and his prophet? Does it also create a riff in the muslim community? So, in order to stop people from claiming to be prophets, one should believe that he was the last one. Now, my question to you is how has that belief solved anything? You still have muslim scholars and self professed scholars who are STILL at each others throats and and odds and ends over the words in the Quran. You still have THOUSANDS of people running around claiming to be prophets. Again, how is this beliefe changing anything?

Again, WHY should one accept muhammad? Why can I not just accept Allah and what he has to say? Why does my salvation and eternal placement depend on a man?
 
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HERESY said:
The most beloved person in the eyes of God? Why? What did Jesus do to NOT earn this form of favortism?
actually, i have read many times from Islamic sources that Jesus was in fact "God's favorite prophet", even with the existence of the Prophet Muhammad
 
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not much man just finished finals and starting work on a new cd. tryin to go beyond the ego in my music and give more content and quality lyrics and what not, but old habits are proving hard to break. besides that jus reading and living life man...how u doin homie?
 

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Got one more day of school, tryin to finalize this internship, gettin ready for my vacation (which isn't a vacation at all but catch up time), tryin to track down a guitarist so I can finish the rest of this album. Pretty much the same thing you are doing. Probably give or take a few hours of sleep, but pretty much the same thing.

What type of production do you usually spit over?
 
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see i think thats part of the problem. i have a lot of lyrical shit ready to put out and would love to get on more east coast soundin beats, but all the production ive been getting are slaps/club shit. i love both sounds, but the producers who hook me up for free mainly focus on the club shit, and that sound really leaves no room for the content im tryna put out
then theres the issue of features. if im doin a track wit ryda or those hyphy heads, i cant really bust out some political commentary, so ive been more hestitant about fuckin wit bay artists lately too
i still fuck wit a diverse array of sounds, but my producers are best at making that stuff so its mostly that. rob lo might hook me up wit some deeper soundin shit tho.
 
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shoowilla said:
Give me ONE muslim source that states that.
sorry i cant do that right now im leaving in a few minutes...but tonight ill look around. i know have read it, but don't remember exactly where.
why wouldn't he be though? i mean personally i dont believe the Almighty exhibits favoritism or anything of the sort, but assuming he did...
 
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Mohammad (saw) is the most beloved prophet to Allah (SWT) he is the seal of the prophets, sent to ALL of mankind, where the others were sent to their own tribes and people. Its the will of Allah (SWT), humans are not all equal. The prophets and messangers (pbut) are the best of mankind.