Pat Buchanan’s Anti-Hispanic Rhetoric Echoes Earlier Anti-Immigrant Hysteria «

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I found the similar rhetoric used against the early Irish/Italian/German immigrants to today’s Mexican immigrants very interesting…...

(From http://www.thinkprogress.org/)



In his new book and in numerous media appearances, Pat Buchanan has been trying to make the case that Mexican immigrants are fundamentally unlike past immigrant groups. Buchanan, who is of Irish ancestry, argues that Germans, Irish, Italians, etc were different because they were willing and able to assimilate. Last night on Hannity and Colmes he stated, “[T]he guys I went to school with in the ’50s and ’60s and the ’40s, they were the sons of immigrants. They’d all been completely assimilated, Americanized. We were marinated in the same culture.”

But Buchanan’s statements against Hispanic immigrants mirror the charges that German, Irish, Italian, Jews, and other immigrant groups also faced. Some examples:

Immigrants will not be able to assimilate:

Where the Italians wanted to be part of our family, millions of Mexicans are determined to retain their language and loyalty to Mexico. They prefer to remain outsiders. They do not wish to assimilate and the nation no longer demands that they do so. [Buchanan, p. 28, 2006]

VERSUS

Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]​

Immigrants are responsible for crime:

Many Hispanics, as a matter of fact, you know what culture they are assimilating to? — the rap culture, the crime culture, anti-cops, all the rest of it. [Buchanan, 8/22/06]

VERSUS

Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]​

Immigrants plan to commit treason against America:

Mexican-Americans can now become citizens of Mexico again. The whole idea is to create this giant fifth column in the United States which can leverage the American government in elections and pressure them to do what is in the interest of the nation of Mexico. [Buchanan, 8/22/06]

VERSUS

[A] set of citizens, German and Irish, wanted to get the Constitution of the U. S. into their own hands and sell it to a foreign power. [Theme of an American Nativist Party rally, 1844]​

Immigrants come from inferior cultures:

[A]lmost all immigrants today, legal and illegal, come from countries and cultures whose peoples have never before been assimilated into a First World nation. [Buchanan, p. 221, 2006]

VERSUS

Today, instead of a nation descended from generations of freemen bred to a knowledge of principles and practice of self government, of liberty under the law, we have a heterogeneous population, no small proportion of which is sprung from races that throughout the centuries have known no liberty at all… In other words our capacity to maintain our cherished institutions stands diluted by a stream of alien blood, with all of its misconceptions respecting the relationships of the governing power to the governed. [Rep. Albert Johnson, 1927, justifying the 1924 National Origins Act]​

Immigrants will dilute the white race:

If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived. [Buchanan, p. 11, 2006]

VERSUS

The number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small…in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are Germans also, the Saxons only accepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. [Benjamin Franklin, 1751]​

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What a revelation! One old racist cracker agrees with a bunch of old dead racist crackers.

That whole isolationist xenophobe attitude has been around since the country was founded and it will follow the country down the toilet.
 
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If he has a daughter, I hope a bunch of Mexican dudes rape that bitch. Fuck this guy.
thats a little over the top there. The man is stating his opinion. And a lot of what he said is true.
 
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thats a little over the top there. The man is stating his opinion. And a lot of what he said is true.
It was a joke, but fuck that guy. He speaks on Mexicans as if we're less than human beings. I would seriously like to see that come to California and start going off like he does, to see what would happen. He's a piece of shit.
 
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I love the part where he says they aint assimiliating into american culture but then he says they are assimilating to rap culture (whatever that means) and crime culture. What is more American than rap and crime?
 

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Where's the truth in it????
Where the Italians wanted to be part of our family, millions of Mexicans are determined to retain their language and loyalty to Mexico. They prefer to remain outsiders. They do not wish to assimilate and the nation no longer demands that they do so. (The major mexican/chicano/latin movements have openly stated this.)

Mexican-Americans can now become citizens of Mexico again. The whole idea is to create this giant fifth column in the United States which can leverage the American government in elections and pressure them to do what is in the interest of the nation of Mexico. (The major mexican/chicano/latin movements have openly stated this.)

If we do not get control of our borders, by 2050 Americans of European descent will be a minority in the nation their ancestors created and built. No nation has ever undergone so radical a demographic transformation and survived. (I couldn't care less about this one.)

All that crime and inferior culture stuff is not on point. Yes, ALL illegal immigrants are breaking the law (which is why they are ILLEGAL), but I don't believe they are contributing to a lot of crimes like murder, rape and robbery.
 
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It's all a combination of paranoia and ignorance.
Or paranoia = ignorance and vise versa.

Italians and the Irish are as loyal to their roots as Mexicans are.
The only difference here is time, and skin color.
For instance many of these Mexican immigrants are first generation immigrants. Most of them are uneducated which makes learning a new language for them very difficult.
Of course, this issue is corrected with their offspring.
Do you know of any second generation Mexican immigrants who can't speak English? And have problems assimilating with American culture?

And it's a racial issue because everyone who fears Mexican immigrants hasn't taken into account previous immigrant assimilation history. And when they do, they pick and choose much like Buchanan here has.

As Mexican I'm not aware of any significant numbers of succeeding Mexican immigrant generations who only see themselves as Mexican and or Chicano.
These are in the minorities. I just don't see them even as threatening as the Italian gangs that arose in the US after the Italians rolled in.
But of course, this is different in the eyes of the blind.
Perhaps it's ok because Italians are white....

Mr. Buchanan here is showing that he's really going out of his way stretching history to prove a very fringe point.
For what reason?
Who cares, the fact that he's trying so hard to bend one's perception of reality renders his argument, insignificant....
 
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Let me also add that Buchanan is also comparing more than just immigrant groups here, he's trying to compare races as well.
Different races assimilate.... You guessed it, differently.

Compare Mexican immigrants to Asian, Arab, Indian, and every other color.
But that comparison wouldn't even really tell you much because Mexican immigrants have a leg up on these other groups. We've been migrating here longer than these other groups.....


Anyways, here's the only Buchanan interview worth watching:
http://media1.yourdailymedia.com/files/alig_war_on_sandwiches.wmv
 

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Do you know of any second generation Mexican immigrants who can't speak English?
Two houses up, the house directly across the street from them, AND the house directly across the street from that house (three houses total.)

And have problems assimilating with American culture?
See above.

And it's a racial issue because everyone who fears Mexican immigrants hasn't taken into account previous immigrant assimilation history. And when they do, they pick and choose much like Buchanan here has.
Fear and concern are two different things. I am concerned about the situation, I don't fear the situation OR the people. I can't speak for anyone else in regards to this subject, but when you do consider the previous immigrant assimilation history you have two things that you have to consider. The first is the numbers game. At no time in american history has half or more than half the immigrants been comprised of ONE race/nationality (unless you consider the europeans.) The second is the culture game. Immigrants do not simply come here and forget their roots. The immigrants come here and establish communities within communities (think chinatown) and a lot of these places do not like outsiders (think the Italian neighborhoods on the east where blacks still get beat up if they venture into them.)

I don't see mexican illegal immigrants as threatening as the italian gangs YET, but let them assimilate, become involved with the gang wars (sur VS nor), and they WILL become dangerous. Let them concentrate on the drug game and step it up a notch when it comes to transporting and you'll see a spike.

Now, you asked, "Where's the truth in it????", but you have to admit that what I posted IS the truth.

1. This country does not demand that mexican immigrants (legal or illegal assimilate.) The english language is NOT mando, illegals can still get benefits, and groups like Aztlan and Mecha are CONSTANTLY promoting the "preservation of the latino heritage", and that is *MY* politically correct version. You will often see these people saying they don't want to be with the Gringo and that they will take over this country.

2. Mexican nationals have often spoke about painting the white house brown (a reference to having latinos/mexicans/chicanos in the white house), and once again groups such as Aztlan and Mecha have not hidden these intentions. Other leaders of the latino communities who do not "openly" support these groups have still voiced the same message, and that message is "latinos are here, we are a large group, we will have an influence on this country and its relations with mexico", and proof of this can be seen in the many protests carried out by latinos.

3. This is a scientific fact, and it will happen if the numbers are not curbed and the birth rate continues to go. I already posted a link in the previous immigration thread where the scientist gave a speech and presentation about the growing numbers of illegal immigrants and how this country will be changed by them.

So yes, I would say that Pat is right in some instances, but not right in all, and I am saying this because of the rhetoric that comes from the mexican movement itself.