OBAMA Will be our next PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

[Fucky McFuckerson]

i see people still have selective reading skills and dont want to address this

Simple: different cultures.

Asian cultures are very prideful and very disciplined. Brining shame on the family name is a big no-no. Also, in many Asian cultues, such as South Korea, education is considered a high status among society. S. Korea is ranked 1st among OCED's Mathematics, Science, Reading, and Problem solving ranking...even though only 38 countries are included in the raknings. Asian cultures understand the importance of educaton and the power of knowledge.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Asian cultures understand the importance of educaton and the power of knowledge.

And Black and Mexican folks don't? It has to do with a systematic structure and not with individual culture.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

i dont disagree with that. its unfortunate but you can still overcome. my college success class sheds light on people beliefs that therefore effect direction and goals. ultimately its an individuals decision. the road is longer for us minorities in the low income bracket but theres no excuse to why an individual can't overcome these obstacles. i agree with you on this point. school districts in oakland dont recieve the same funding as say a school in concord or even another area of oakland. its not right thats for sure. but like i said before in another thread, theres 50 ways to travel to the bay area, and in the end whether you take 580/680/880/24 you will still end up in the same place. its harder but not unachievable is my whole point. hopefully these are the things obama can bring light to as well as many other failures in our systems.

Like I said, on an individual level, there is no excuse for not overcoming. People have come up from nothing and continue to do so. However, when there is a systematic structure set in place that relies on Mexicans and Blacks being in jail and not in college, the results are what we see today. Look at how many colleges have been made in California the last 30 years, and then look up how many prisons. Does that tell you something?

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

Obama won!!!

The nomination.. Good thing.. Hillary lost!

Insider info.. had it. .the Illuminati.. wanted her.. to be Prez!

They are slowly losing power. and control... this is GREAT news! They are not all mighty!

Obama.. shall bring balance to the force...

If McCain wins.. we will be in darkness...

Let the games commence

 

[ColdBlooded]

Man get outta here with that bullshit for once and all. Waaaaaay old by now and too played out.

If your all mighty illuminati can't even control a primary election they ain't shit to begin with.

Weren't you just less than a month ago saying shit like Obama is Illuminati, NWO, CFR, etc and Ron Paul was the only savior or Jedi to bring balance to your force and lead us away from the dark side. But now Obama's cool?

Fuckin LAME

fuck that bill.. and fuck Obama.. he nothing but a house slave.. like McCain and Hillary
. . .
fuck the new world order.. period. Freedom Forever

I already said.. that Obama has ties to the CFR..

the CFR's mission to to unite.. ALL countries.. into one super state.. and have a fascist one world government.

That is why they wrote the documents for the North American Union.

. . .

End of Line... all those who folllow Obama.. are voting in...
New Wordl Order Tyranny...

. . .

If people are dumb enough to vote for a new world order.. puppet..
then they deserve to be slaves...

I'll leave this country.. before.. it turns into.. Nazi Germany though...
the people who stay can have fun..

thanks.

Fuck Hillary! and fuck fuckin Obama!

Both are in the CFR who are for the North AMerican Union..
and for WORLD GOVERMENT.. which is HITLER's rule on the world wide scale..

Walking, talking, internet typing contradiction.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

And Black and Mexican folks don't? It has to do with a systematic structure and not with individual culture.

Myabe in some fashions, but culture plays a VERY large part in how INDIVIDUALS act.

Go and study Asian cultures and you will see what I mean. Education is one of the HIGHEST forms of social status in many Asican cultures, especially South Korea.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Myabe in some fashions, but culture plays a VERY large part in how INDIVIDUALS act.

Go and study Asian cultures and you will see what I mean. Education is one of the HIGHEST forms of social status in many Asican cultures, especially South Korea.

And? Mexican cultures and Black cultures understand the importance of education as well. What do you think, we rather work like animals? It's the system that needs "certain" people to be positioned at the bottom doing all the laborious jobs. Asians aren't a minority needed for that.

 

[nhojsmith]

show me the stats that show "beat down broke chinese immigrants" do "amazing" on the so-called "grammatical english section" (aint even a test called "grammatical english" in any standardized test I've ever seen) and then I will address it.

no need to play stupid, obviously he was generalizing. asians score highest on college entrance exams, effectively destroying the "culturally biased" bullshit arguments.

thats not to say that lamberto isnt right. actually i think his last posts are much more accurate, there are a multitude of factors, but the "cultural bias" argument on the end of the test makers is the weakest excuse. if anything it looks like a cultural bias from within the cultures that place different weight on the value of education.

@kirsha; enlighten us. tell us some of your most effective assessments. what is more fair than treating everyone the same and having everyone meet the same standard. first i suspect you will be forced to admit that people are in fact not all the same because of circumstances. shall we have tests based on race (ie RACISM)? shall we hold separate groups to separate standards (ie AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ie RACISM)?

in fact standardized testing is the most fair way. it is fundamentally the most fair way. holding everyone, REGARDLESS of wealth, abusive or non abusive families, origin, citizenship, language, immigrant status, parents education level, culture is the fairest because it disregards these distinguishing factors and treats everyone the same (the slogan), because its the same test for everyone! everyone who proclaims to be against standardized tests i think is actually against the inequities that exist before the test even comes into play. which is fine, but you need to understand the difference or you come off as stupid and people will assume you are whining. to say standardized tests (pieces of paper that are the same for EVERYONE) are unfair is an oxymoron.

 

[I. Cold]

And? Mexican cultures and Black cultures understand the importance of education as well.

are you seriously gonna sit there and say the mexican culture places as much emphasis on education as the asians? lmao.. seriously now..

 

[I. Cold]

no need to play stupid, obviously he was generalizing. asians score highest on college entrance exams, effectively destroying the "culturally biased" bullshit arguments.

thats not to say that lamberto isnt right. actually i think his last posts are much more accurate, there are a multitude of factors, but the "cultural bias" argument on the end of the test makers is the weakest excuse. if anything it looks like a cultural bias from within the cultures that place different weight on the value of education.

@kirsha; enlighten us. tell us some of your most effective assessments. what is more fair than treating everyone the same and having everyone meet the same standard. first i suspect you will be forced to admit that people are in fact not all the same because of circumstances. shall we have tests based on race (ie RACISM)? shall we hold separate groups to separate standards (ie AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ie RACISM)?

in fact standardized testing is the most fair way. it is fundamentally the most fair way. holding everyone, REGARDLESS of wealth, abusive or non abusive families, origin, citizenship, language, immigrant status, parents education level, culture is the fairest because it disregards these distinguishing factors and treats everyone the same (the slogan), because its the same test for everyone! everyone who proclaims to be against standardized tests i think is actually against the inequities that exist before the test even comes into play. which is fine, but you need to understand the difference or you come off as stupid and people will assume you are whining. to say standardized tests (pieces of paper that are the same for EVERYONE) are unfair is an oxymoron.

Sean Hannity... is that you?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

And? Mexican cultures and Black cultures understand the importance of education as well. What do you think, we rather work like animals? It's the system that needs "certain" people to be positioned at the bottom doing all the laborious jobs. Asians aren't a minority needed for that.

Which follows the exact with what im talking about. Many Asians get a good education and up working in white collar jobs. When a culture puts alot of pressure on a child to do good in school, and the child is EXPECTED to do well in school...and the same culture stresses about dishonoring a family name, that child is willing to put forth the effort to do so.

It is almost as if youre are trying to get me to say that Latinos are dumb, when that is NOT the case. Different cultures have different priorities and different ways of life, plain and smple.

One also has to look at the poverty rate in a country. What benefits a poor person in need of money, for a kid to get al the way through college and get a good job, or to put that kid to WORK as SOON as possible so they dont have to live in a worse condition than they might already be in?

 

[krishna]

no need to play stupid, obviously he was generalizing. asians score highest on college entrance exams, effectively destroying the "culturally biased" bullshit arguments.

thats not to say that lamberto isnt right. actually i think his last posts are much more accurate, there are a multitude of factors, but the "cultural bias" argument on the end of the test makers is the weakest excuse. if anything it looks like a cultural bias from within the cultures that place different weight on the value of education.

@kirsha; enlighten us. tell us some of your most effective assessments. what is more fair than treating everyone the same and having everyone meet the same standard. first i suspect you will be forced to admit that people are in fact not all the same because of circumstances. shall we have tests based on race (ie RACISM)? shall we hold separate groups to separate standards (ie AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ie RACISM)?

in fact standardized testing is the most fair way. it is fundamentally the most fair way. holding everyone, REGARDLESS of wealth, abusive or non abusive families, origin, citizenship, language, immigrant status, parents education level, culture is the fairest because it disregards these distinguishing factors and treats everyone the same (the slogan), because its the same test for everyone! everyone who proclaims to be against standardized tests i think is actually against the inequities that exist before the test even comes into play. which is fine, but you need to understand the difference or you come off as stupid and people will assume you are whining. to say standardized tests (pieces of paper that are the same for EVERYONE) are unfair is an oxymoron.

wow. you are so for right field I don't even see the point in trying to "enlighten" you.
just out of curiosity, do you have kids in the public school system?

 

[supastar]

What I find interesting, and disheartening, is that these types of discussions always come down to differences between race and culture when, i believe, the real difference is in class. The latinos that come to the US and fail to do well scholastically are the same latinos that were in a disenfranchised economic position to begin with. It stands to follow that a poor class of citizens, regardless of location, would put a heavier emphasis on immediate returns(hard work and pay) rather than future returns. Chinese and Japanese peoples, for instance, have achieved a certain amount of financail stability and thus thier children can afford to be more studious while certain south east asian families continue to be poor and thier children fail and school....... Its all money

 

[krishna]

Alternatives to standardized tests-
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/13_03/assess.shtml

An old article, but still extremely relevant to the debate about standardized tests

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

are you seriously gonna sit there and say the mexican culture places as much emphasis on education as the asians? lmao.. seriously now..

Yes! Are you fuckin retarded? What kind of sane parent would not want their child to go to school and do well? There is just as much emphasis on school in Mexican culture than there is in Asian cultures.

Also, compare Chinese and Japanese immigrants to Mong and Vietnamese people in terms of success in school. Mongs are way at the bottom almost as bad as "Hispanics" and blacks, what does that say? Only certain Asian cultures place emphasis on education? EVERYONE puts emphasis on education, it's the way to overcome tough situations. The difference, like I said already, is the economic and political relationship between the United States and the native country where the immigrant comes from.

^^^^ Read these books for empirical evidence supporting what I'm saying, to anyone who is interested. Fuck all the bull shit that goes around with people talking about immigration and effects and causes, read what the experts have to say. Please, go ahead...

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Which follows the exact with what im talking about. Many Asians get a good education and up working in white collar jobs. When a culture puts alot of pressure on a child to do good in school, and the child is EXPECTED to do well in school...and the same culture stresses about dishonoring a family name, that child is willing to put forth the effort to do so.

It is almost as if youre are trying to get me to say that Latinos are dumb, when that is NOT the case. Different cultures have different priorities and different ways of life, plain and smple.

One also has to look at the poverty rate in a country. What benefits a poor person in need of money, for a kid to get al the way through college and get a good job, or to put that kid to WORK as SOON as possible so they dont have to live in a worse condition than they might already be in?

Your point that Asians place more emphasis on education than other minorities is all I'm arguing against, you don't have to ramble on about other things. Differences in academic achievement have little to do with one's culture and more to do with one's economic situation and whether there are resources available for social and economic mobilization.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Your point that Asians place more emphasis on education than other minorities is all I'm arguing against, you don't have to ramble on about other things.

OK.

Differences in academic achievement have little to do with one's culture and more to do with one's economic situation and whether there are resources available for social and economic mobilization.

And I disagree whole hearteled and explained WHY. Are you saying that there is no poor people in Asian countries? What about India? They have more people UNDER the poverty line than any other Asian country, yet they churn out MORE RN's and DOCTORS than most countries.

Your theory is flawed and a cop out.

 

[radiostationrep]

good post.

What I find interesting, and disheartening, is that these types of discussions always come down to differences between race and culture when, i believe, the real difference is in class. The latinos that come to the US and fail to do well scholastically are the same latinos that were in a disenfranchised economic position to begin with. It stands to follow that a poor class of citizens, regardless of location, would put a heavier emphasis on immediate returns(hard work and pay) rather than future returns. Chinese and Japanese peoples, for instance, have achieved a certain amount of financail stability and thus thier children can afford to be more studious while certain south east asian families continue to be poor and thier children fail and school....... Its all money

bottomline is life is a marathon not a sprint. invest in your future!

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

And I disagree whole hearteled and explained WHY. Are you saying that there is no poor people in Asian countries? What about India? They have more people UNDER the poverty line than any other Asian country, yet they churn out MORE RN's and DOCTORS than most countries.

Your theory is flawed and a cop out.

"My theory" doesn't have to do with poverty, but with countries where the United States directly interfered with politics and the economy.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

What I find interesting, and disheartening, is that these types of discussions always come down to differences between race and culture when, i believe, the real difference is in class. The latinos that come to the US and fail to do well scholastically are the same latinos that were in a disenfranchised economic position to begin with. It stands to follow that a poor class of citizens, regardless of location, would put a heavier emphasis on immediate returns(hard work and pay) rather than future returns. Chinese and Japanese peoples, for instance, have achieved a certain amount of financail stability and thus thier children can afford to be more studious while certain south east asian families continue to be poor and thier children fail and school....... Its all money

I missed this post, but good post!

Alternatives to standardized tests-
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/13_03/assess.shtml

An old article, but still extremely relevant to the debate about standardized tests

This one too...