OBAMA Will be our next PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
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STANDARDIZATION is unfair and unbalanced.
- Rich kids and poor kids
- Kids from abusive families
- Kids from non-abusive families
- Immigrant children
- Naturalized citizens vs born citizens
- Children from homes with a single parent
- Children from a background where parents hold no degree/ a bachelors degree/ a masters degree/PhD
- Children from impoverished school districts
- Children with well qualified instructors
- etc. etc.
- Rich kids and poor kids
- Kids from abusive families
- Kids from non-abusive families
- Immigrant children
- Naturalized citizens vs born citizens
- Children from homes with a single parent
- Children from a background where parents hold no degree/ a bachelors degree/ a masters degree/PhD
- Children from impoverished school districts
- Children with well qualified instructors
- etc. etc.
I don't get that statement at all.
In school, every teacher has to spend an hour teaching the test for a few months so the students can pass the test and the school can get its funding. So instead of learning English, Government, Math, whatever subject they're in. They're learning multiple choice bullshit to pass a test...
that's a good thing?
In school, every teacher has to spend an hour teaching the test for a few months so the students can pass the test and the school can get its funding. So instead of learning English, Government, Math, whatever subject they're in. They're learning multiple choice bullshit to pass a test...
that's a good thing?
My opinon:
by the way I used to grade standardized tests for a few summers.
Standardized testing is useful for measuring your success in retaining the information that you were presented. It is not a measure of creativity or even intelligence its a measure of diligence. The standardized tests used in high-school/preparatory school today are very very basic and consist of information presented to everyone regardless of how "good" it was taught to you. If you didn't study you didn't retain it and a standardized test is going to expose that fact. In my opinion it is not unfair to any of those groups MEXCOM listed. In the first subset especially (the poor abused & disenfranchised with unstable families.) insinuating that it is insults the hard work of all those nerdy loser poor kids who struggled through their hardship and persevered in spite of all of those hinderances. Its the kids who didn't do shit during school and were out breaking windows, playing with fire, beating up smart kids, playing video games basket ball, fucking hoes, drinking, smoking weed whatever (you know, your basic siccness.net member) that don't do well because they didn't give a fuck so why try and give credit where it isn't due. I also think that constantly acting like you need a mental crutch leaves you mentally/intellectually weak. As far as nurturing learning at home goes it seems some peoples parents just care more about them. For instance how is it that with a very large percentage of beat down broke chinese immigrants do amazing on standardized tests (especially the grammatical english section)? Its because they try harder and study their asses off, pay attention in school ect.............
Oh and please nobody start with that whole the questions are culturally biased shit.
by the way I used to grade standardized tests for a few summers.
Standardized testing is useful for measuring your success in retaining the information that you were presented. It is not a measure of creativity or even intelligence its a measure of diligence. The standardized tests used in high-school/preparatory school today are very very basic and consist of information presented to everyone regardless of how "good" it was taught to you. If you didn't study you didn't retain it and a standardized test is going to expose that fact. In my opinion it is not unfair to any of those groups MEXCOM listed. In the first subset especially (the poor abused & disenfranchised with unstable families.) insinuating that it is insults the hard work of all those nerdy loser poor kids who struggled through their hardship and persevered in spite of all of those hinderances. Its the kids who didn't do shit during school and were out breaking windows, playing with fire, beating up smart kids, playing video games basket ball, fucking hoes, drinking, smoking weed whatever (you know, your basic siccness.net member) that don't do well because they didn't give a fuck so why try and give credit where it isn't due. I also think that constantly acting like you need a mental crutch leaves you mentally/intellectually weak. As far as nurturing learning at home goes it seems some peoples parents just care more about them. For instance how is it that with a very large percentage of beat down broke chinese immigrants do amazing on standardized tests (especially the grammatical english section)? Its because they try harder and study their asses off, pay attention in school ect.............
Oh and please nobody start with that whole the questions are culturally biased shit.
Standardized testing reflects certain values that are at the core of America, therefore, if for whatever reason a student gets values from somewhere outside of American core values, he/she will not do as well on standardized testing only reflecting American core values.
Testing should reflect the many different values and cultures that students bring in to the table because it is very disadvantageous when only one culture and set of values is reflected and it's not one you share or subconsciously agree with. The United States is filled with thousands of different cultures and sets of values, yet only ONE is reflected institutionally across the country. THAT IS BULL SHIT!
So yeah, people of certain background have a huge advantage over others when it comes to standardized testing. Standardized testing isn't a way to see if people are learning or smart enough, it's a way to check who's assimilating to "American Core Values" and who is not. Those who don't assimilate and are different (MANY) end up fucking up in school and fucking up in life basically. Yet, the institutions remain the same in that they only reflect one perspective. People aren't going to assimilate and not everyone is going to completely adopt American Core Values, therefore it is the INSTITUTIONS and POLICIES which need change. Otherwise, things like the "No Child Left Behind" crap will continue to give the false idea that they are actually trying to help the students. The education system in this country is not a place to be educated, but rather a place to be conditioned.
Testing should reflect the many different values and cultures that students bring in to the table because it is very disadvantageous when only one culture and set of values is reflected and it's not one you share or subconsciously agree with. The United States is filled with thousands of different cultures and sets of values, yet only ONE is reflected institutionally across the country. THAT IS BULL SHIT!
So yeah, people of certain background have a huge advantage over others when it comes to standardized testing. Standardized testing isn't a way to see if people are learning or smart enough, it's a way to check who's assimilating to "American Core Values" and who is not. Those who don't assimilate and are different (MANY) end up fucking up in school and fucking up in life basically. Yet, the institutions remain the same in that they only reflect one perspective. People aren't going to assimilate and not everyone is going to completely adopt American Core Values, therefore it is the INSTITUTIONS and POLICIES which need change. Otherwise, things like the "No Child Left Behind" crap will continue to give the false idea that they are actually trying to help the students. The education system in this country is not a place to be educated, but rather a place to be conditioned.
I completely disagree with you lamberto. What core values are reflected in a question about the definition of a cumulous cloud in relation to other cloud types. Or in a reading comprehension question where you read a story and twenty minutes later try to see if you understood what you read? What math or science question reflects a core value? How does the ability to remember a factiod from History or government have to do with your culture? How does a this is to that as that is to this question reflect a core value (a bird is to an airplane as a fish is to a submarine)? Or an antonym for that matter? Im not patronizing you I really don't understand how these things are culturally biased. To me it seems like your taught some shit and these tests see if you can spout it back out.......
Listen, I'm not saying the test ITSELF is culturally bias. How could that even be?
I'm saying institutions including educational ones reflect certain core values that benefit those who have them in bedded from their traditions, but it holds back those people who traditionally have a different set of beliefs. Do you not understand that?
I mean, me personally, I've always done good on standardized testing. I can learn shit and answer questions just like anyone else. It's not about it being on an individual level though, it's social and manifested in large amounts. Individually, all it takes is hard work and commitment. I don't give a fuck what situation a person is in, anything can be overcome. But, when institutionally and historically, your people are put at the very bottom of society and you're taught to act "white" (reflecting the core values) and that acting yourself and how your ancestors did is wrong and incorrect, this will reflect on many facets of life. Self-Esteem, confidence, success in a foreign country/system, etc.,
I just hate the fact that some people will read this and act like I'm making excuses for our people. On an individual level, there is no excuse for someone not being able to come up. But, on a bigger level, there are institutions and policies in place to keep things the way they are. Why do you think that Mexicans are mostly in the service sector of work, and agricultural? That is what we are seen as and that is what this system NEEDS and REQUIRES us to do, so the institutions in place are going to be promoting this. Of course there are some Mexicans who make it to becoming doctors, lawyers, professors, etc., but the majority of us are working at the bottom of the chain and that's how they want us.
So it has little to do with the actual test itself and more to do with the context of history and our treatment by institutions, which include education.
I'm saying institutions including educational ones reflect certain core values that benefit those who have them in bedded from their traditions, but it holds back those people who traditionally have a different set of beliefs. Do you not understand that?
I mean, me personally, I've always done good on standardized testing. I can learn shit and answer questions just like anyone else. It's not about it being on an individual level though, it's social and manifested in large amounts. Individually, all it takes is hard work and commitment. I don't give a fuck what situation a person is in, anything can be overcome. But, when institutionally and historically, your people are put at the very bottom of society and you're taught to act "white" (reflecting the core values) and that acting yourself and how your ancestors did is wrong and incorrect, this will reflect on many facets of life. Self-Esteem, confidence, success in a foreign country/system, etc.,
I just hate the fact that some people will read this and act like I'm making excuses for our people. On an individual level, there is no excuse for someone not being able to come up. But, on a bigger level, there are institutions and policies in place to keep things the way they are. Why do you think that Mexicans are mostly in the service sector of work, and agricultural? That is what we are seen as and that is what this system NEEDS and REQUIRES us to do, so the institutions in place are going to be promoting this. Of course there are some Mexicans who make it to becoming doctors, lawyers, professors, etc., but the majority of us are working at the bottom of the chain and that's how they want us.
So it has little to do with the actual test itself and more to do with the context of history and our treatment by institutions, which include education.
you seem to be pretty educated.
imo the reason alot of mexicans are in these fields of work is because of two things . limited english skills and or illegal immigrants. educational institutions wether private or public are ultimately chasing money like we all do. yeah i feel you on people wanting the divide. republicans believe in 2 classes- rich and poor. the seperation is obvious. but ultimately you have to be willing to work hard to get to where you want to be. its harder for us minorities, but we can make anything happen in america. thats not a lie! all these things you guys are speaking on are very truthful but ultimately all these tests, guidelines , etc. are man-made laws and regulations. when made up im sure it was biased to begin with! humans make mistakes. obama can bring change theres no doubt about that imo. we've come so far but have so far to go!
imo the reason alot of mexicans are in these fields of work is because of two things . limited english skills and or illegal immigrants. educational institutions wether private or public are ultimately chasing money like we all do. yeah i feel you on people wanting the divide. republicans believe in 2 classes- rich and poor. the seperation is obvious. but ultimately you have to be willing to work hard to get to where you want to be. its harder for us minorities, but we can make anything happen in america. thats not a lie! all these things you guys are speaking on are very truthful but ultimately all these tests, guidelines , etc. are man-made laws and regulations. when made up im sure it was biased to begin with! humans make mistakes. obama can bring change theres no doubt about that imo. we've come so far but have so far to go!
Those tests always had some shit like "The story of how Billy and Christina lost their puppy". Or Steve drives to work in his new convertible at 60 mph. Work is 5.9 miles away how long does it take him to get to work each day?
There is never "The story of Shaniqua's first weave" or Pedro wants a new pair of rattle snake boots that cost $197. He works picking strawberries for 5 cents per bushel. How many bushels of strawberries does Pedro have to pick so he can get his new boots?
Shit is culturally biased.
There is never "The story of Shaniqua's first weave" or Pedro wants a new pair of rattle snake boots that cost $197. He works picking strawberries for 5 cents per bushel. How many bushels of strawberries does Pedro have to pick so he can get his new boots?
Shit is culturally biased.