No On 8 / No On Religion
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No, because they do not do that because they have that "goal" or they were designed to do so, but simply because they have the property
This is a general characteristic of everything in biology, probably it will be best to illustrate it with the following example:
The typical protein in the cell has certain size, shape, electrochemical properties, etc., it binds certain other proteins and they together (more often) or it alone do something. When you remove it from the system, this something does not happen (most of the time). Based on this we often conclude that "the function of protein X is to do Y, to bind proteins Z and W, etc."
However, if you express the protein at a much higher level than the physiological, it starts binding many other proteins, and often does things that it does not do normally. Does this mean that it also has these "functions"
Furthermore, each and every protein will bind to essentially every surface (which is a big problem when you try to do accurate measurement of tiny amounts of them, because they will stick to the tube, coat its walls, and lower the concentration you have been meticulously trying to adjust to some very precise value). Does this mean that proteins also have the function of "binding to the walls of eppendorf tubes"
The answer is either that proteins and biological molecules in general, have infinitely many functions, depending on the context, or that they have no functions at all, just certain physicochemical properties, which enable them to form complex systems with other biological molecules. Even from a teleological point of view, the former answer does not make sense, so it has to be the latter
This is a general characteristic of everything in biology, probably it will be best to illustrate it with the following example:
The typical protein in the cell has certain size, shape, electrochemical properties, etc., it binds certain other proteins and they together (more often) or it alone do something. When you remove it from the system, this something does not happen (most of the time). Based on this we often conclude that "the function of protein X is to do Y, to bind proteins Z and W, etc."
However, if you express the protein at a much higher level than the physiological, it starts binding many other proteins, and often does things that it does not do normally. Does this mean that it also has these "functions"
Furthermore, each and every protein will bind to essentially every surface (which is a big problem when you try to do accurate measurement of tiny amounts of them, because they will stick to the tube, coat its walls, and lower the concentration you have been meticulously trying to adjust to some very precise value). Does this mean that proteins also have the function of "binding to the walls of eppendorf tubes"
The answer is either that proteins and biological molecules in general, have infinitely many functions, depending on the context, or that they have no functions at all, just certain physicochemical properties, which enable them to form complex systems with other biological molecules. Even from a teleological point of view, the former answer does not make sense, so it has to be the latter
out of the circumstances provided by the properties ?
your problem here is you are dividing life into 2, 3, 4, etc and then comparing it against itself and saying "3 isnt suitable for 2".
What Im asking of you is to quit relying on things that you are still learning and will never quit learning from and use common sense.
Has a goal formed from out of the circumstances provided by the properties?
yes or no, dont say "u cant ask this question because you are stepping into philosophy and this is science"
your problem here is you are dividing life into 2, 3, 4, etc and then comparing it against itself and saying "3 isnt suitable for 2".
What Im asking of you is to quit relying on things that you are still learning and will never quit learning from and use common sense.
Has a goal formed from out of the circumstances provided by the properties?
yes or no, dont say "u cant ask this question because you are stepping into philosophy and this is science"
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1
Ballot Measures
California Proposition 8: Ban on Gay Marriage
California Proposition 8:
Ban on Gay Marriage
2,240 Respondents
1 of 5
Vote by Sex
Total
Yes
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Male (46%
53%
47%
Female (54%)
52%
48%
Vote by Sex and Race
Total
Yes
No
White Men (31%)
51%
49%
White Women (32%)
47%
53%
Black Men (4%)
N/A
N/A
Black Women (6%)
75%
25%
Latino Men (8%)
54%
46%
Latino Women (11%)
52%
48%
All Other Races (9%)
49%
51%
Vote by Race
Total
Yes
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White (63%)
49%
51%
African-American (10%)
70%
30%
Latino (18%)
53%
47%
Asian (6%)
49%
51%
Other (3%)
51%
49%
Vote by Age
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18-29 (20%)
39%
61%
30-44 (28%)
55%
45%
45-64 (36%)
54%
46%
65 and Older (15%)
61%
39%
Vote by Age
Total
Yes
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18-24 (11%)
36%
64%
25-29 (9%)
41%
59%
30-39 (17%)
52%
48%
40-49 (22%)
59%
41%
50-64 (26%)
51%
49%
65 or Over (15%)
61%
39%
Vote by Age and Race
Total
Yes
No
White 18-29 (9%)
33%
67%
White 30-44 (17%)
50%
50%
White 45-64 (24%)
50%
50%
White 65 and Older (12%)
59%
41%
Black 18-29 (2%)
N/A
N/A
Black 30-44 (3%)
N/A
N/A
Black 45-64 (3%)
N/A
N/A
Black 65 and Older (1%)
N/A
N/A
Latino 18-29 (7%)
41%
59%
Latino 30-44 (5%)
60%
40%
Latino 45-64 (5%)
57%
43%
Latino 65 and Older (1%)
N/A
N/A
All Others (9%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Under $15,000 (5%)
46%
54%
$15-30,000 (10%)
48%
52%
$30-50,000 (15%)
54%
46%
$50-75,000 (19%)
54%
46%
$75-100,000 (17%)
50%
50%
$100-150,000 (17%)
54%
46%
$150-200,000 (7%)
47%
53%
$200,000 or More (9%)
45%
55%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $50K (30%)
51%
49%
$50K or More (70%)
51%
49%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $100K (67%)
51%
49%
$100K or More (33%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $50,000 (30%)
51%
49%
$50-100,000 (37%)
52%
48%
$100,000 or More (33%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income and Race
Total
Yes
No
Whites Under $50,000 (16%)
50%
50%
Whites Over $50,000 (48%)
48%
52%
Non-Whites Under $50,000 (14%)
51%
49%
Non-Whites Over $50,000 (22%)
56%
44%
Vote by Education
Total
Yes
No
No High School (3%)
N/A
N/A
H.S. Graduate (14%)
56%
44%
Some College (33%)
57%
43%
College Graduate (33%)
50%
50%
Postgraduate (17%)
40%
60%
Did You Attend College?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (83%)
51%
49%
No (17%)
58%
42%
Are You a College Graduate?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (50%)
47%
53%
No (50%)
58%
42%
Vote by Education and Race
Total
Yes
No
White College Graduates (36%)
43%
57%
Whites - No College (27%)
58%
42%
Non-White College Grads (13%)
55%
45%
Non-White - No College (24%)
57%
43%
Vote by Party ID
Total
Yes
No
Democrat (42%)
36%
64%
Republican (29%)
82%
18%
Independent (28%)
46%
54%
Vote by Race and Party ID
Total
Yes
No
White Democrats (21%)
21%
79%
White Independents (19%)
41%
59%
White Republicans (24%)
82%
18%
All Others (37%)
56%
44%
Vote by Ideology
Total
Yes
No
Liberal (26%)
22%
78%
Moderate (44%)
47%
53%
Conservative (30%)
85%
15%
Is This the First Year You Have Ever Voted?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (14%)
38%
62%
No (86%)
56%
44%
When Did You Decide Who To Vote For?
Total
Yes
No
Today (3%)
N/A
N/A
Last Three Days (3%)
N/A
N/A
Last Week (3%)
N/A
N/A
In October (14%)
60%
40%
In September (16%)
53%
47%
Before That (60%)
51%
49%
California Proposition 8: Ban on Gay Marriage
California Proposition 8:
Ban on Gay Marriage
2,240 Respondents
1 of 5
Vote by Sex
Total
Yes
No
Male (46%
53%
47%
Female (54%)
52%
48%
Vote by Sex and Race
Total
Yes
No
White Men (31%)
51%
49%
White Women (32%)
47%
53%
Black Men (4%)
N/A
N/A
Black Women (6%)
75%
25%
Latino Men (8%)
54%
46%
Latino Women (11%)
52%
48%
All Other Races (9%)
49%
51%
Vote by Race
Total
Yes
No
White (63%)
49%
51%
African-American (10%)
70%
30%
Latino (18%)
53%
47%
Asian (6%)
49%
51%
Other (3%)
51%
49%
Vote by Age
Total
Yes
No
18-29 (20%)
39%
61%
30-44 (28%)
55%
45%
45-64 (36%)
54%
46%
65 and Older (15%)
61%
39%
Vote by Age
Total
Yes
No
18-24 (11%)
36%
64%
25-29 (9%)
41%
59%
30-39 (17%)
52%
48%
40-49 (22%)
59%
41%
50-64 (26%)
51%
49%
65 or Over (15%)
61%
39%
Vote by Age and Race
Total
Yes
No
White 18-29 (9%)
33%
67%
White 30-44 (17%)
50%
50%
White 45-64 (24%)
50%
50%
White 65 and Older (12%)
59%
41%
Black 18-29 (2%)
N/A
N/A
Black 30-44 (3%)
N/A
N/A
Black 45-64 (3%)
N/A
N/A
Black 65 and Older (1%)
N/A
N/A
Latino 18-29 (7%)
41%
59%
Latino 30-44 (5%)
60%
40%
Latino 45-64 (5%)
57%
43%
Latino 65 and Older (1%)
N/A
N/A
All Others (9%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Under $15,000 (5%)
46%
54%
$15-30,000 (10%)
48%
52%
$30-50,000 (15%)
54%
46%
$50-75,000 (19%)
54%
46%
$75-100,000 (17%)
50%
50%
$100-150,000 (17%)
54%
46%
$150-200,000 (7%)
47%
53%
$200,000 or More (9%)
45%
55%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $50K (30%)
51%
49%
$50K or More (70%)
51%
49%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $100K (67%)
51%
49%
$100K or More (33%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income
Total
Yes
No
Less Than $50,000 (30%)
51%
49%
$50-100,000 (37%)
52%
48%
$100,000 or More (33%)
50%
50%
Vote by Income and Race
Total
Yes
No
Whites Under $50,000 (16%)
50%
50%
Whites Over $50,000 (48%)
48%
52%
Non-Whites Under $50,000 (14%)
51%
49%
Non-Whites Over $50,000 (22%)
56%
44%
Vote by Education
Total
Yes
No
No High School (3%)
N/A
N/A
H.S. Graduate (14%)
56%
44%
Some College (33%)
57%
43%
College Graduate (33%)
50%
50%
Postgraduate (17%)
40%
60%
Did You Attend College?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (83%)
51%
49%
No (17%)
58%
42%
Are You a College Graduate?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (50%)
47%
53%
No (50%)
58%
42%
Vote by Education and Race
Total
Yes
No
White College Graduates (36%)
43%
57%
Whites - No College (27%)
58%
42%
Non-White College Grads (13%)
55%
45%
Non-White - No College (24%)
57%
43%
Vote by Party ID
Total
Yes
No
Democrat (42%)
36%
64%
Republican (29%)
82%
18%
Independent (28%)
46%
54%
Vote by Race and Party ID
Total
Yes
No
White Democrats (21%)
21%
79%
White Independents (19%)
41%
59%
White Republicans (24%)
82%
18%
All Others (37%)
56%
44%
Vote by Ideology
Total
Yes
No
Liberal (26%)
22%
78%
Moderate (44%)
47%
53%
Conservative (30%)
85%
15%
Is This the First Year You Have Ever Voted?
Total
Yes
No
Yes (14%)
38%
62%
No (86%)
56%
44%
When Did You Decide Who To Vote For?
Total
Yes
No
Today (3%)
N/A
N/A
Last Three Days (3%)
N/A
N/A
Last Week (3%)
N/A
N/A
In October (14%)
60%
40%
In September (16%)
53%
47%
Before That (60%)
51%
49%
LMAO
So according to your logic, a very informed person is less qualified to talk about things than a totally ignorant one, and instead you require an absolutely 100% informed person that not only does not exist, but whose existence is absolutely impossible???
nice logics
P.S. common sense is not used in science for the simple reason that common sense does not work
So according to your logic, a very informed person is less qualified to talk about things than a totally ignorant one, and instead you require an absolutely 100% informed person that not only does not exist, but whose existence is absolutely impossible???
nice logics
P.S. common sense is not used in science for the simple reason that common sense does not work
you cant answer the question huh? it doesnt pass through the filters of your calculator or somethin? can you be a man for once and quit living the life written in words about something that you admitted you believed is absolutely meaningless?
when will your actions support the meaning of your whole existence?
when will your actions support the meaning of your whole existence?
my opinion, marriage is when two people love each other and want to be together, point blank, not for raising kids........just like when you get divorced and you pay for the divorced packet, you get the child support papers with it, you dont have to file those support papers, the main part is the divorce........
now with the examples i gave you,your tryna flip it around. i gave those examples cus you said if my child learns about cousins marrying she might think its ok and partake. well i dont know if you have children but i give my daughter and kids in general a little more credit then you obviously do. my daughter has her own brain. my daughter dont watch Roadrunner drop an anvil on Wyle E. Coyote and think its ok to do that.........im not "scared" for my daughter to learn about gays in school. she already knows about that, she knows about racism, she knows about death, my daughter is not shelterd like all you who think your kids are gonna catch gay.
i dont know if your beliefs are due to religion or personal morals, but if your religious, how many other religious rules do you break? if its simple morals, how many things do you do that arent "moral"? im willing to bet alot in everyday life in general. but course you like everybody else likes to chose which "rules" you can break but which ones others cant.........
now honestly, take all the people who voted yes on 8 due to their belief of traditional man and woman marriage. now take out all the ones who are married that cheat on their spouse, take out all the ones who abuse their spouse physicly or emotionally, take out all the ones who are divorced, take out all the ones who are on their second and 3rd marriage.and of course "because thats what marriage is about in your eyes" take out all the ones who are married but dont want kids. if you could see that, you would see the hypocracy and the "traditonal" marriage............
Just curious...but how old is your daughter...and how does she know about gay people?
Have you told her that it is ok if she chooses to marry a girl?
I personally voted Yes on 8. I don't care what anyone says...no one is ever gonna convince me that it is ok for two people of the same sex to marry.
Marriage CAN be taught in schools...it isn't mandatory...but it can be taught. And personally...I don't want a teacher telling my son that it is OK if he chooses to marry a man.
Even if not in school...I don't want him thinking that it's OK.
Have you told her that it is ok if she chooses to marry a girl?
I personally voted Yes on 8. I don't care what anyone says...no one is ever gonna convince me that it is ok for two people of the same sex to marry.
Marriage CAN be taught in schools...it isn't mandatory...but it can be taught. And personally...I don't want a teacher telling my son that it is OK if he chooses to marry a man.
Even if not in school...I don't want him thinking that it's OK.
Why not? Why are you so scared of homosexuality? What isnt "OK" with it? If your daughter ended up gay, would you disown her? What woudl you blame it on then, becuase she obviously didnt learn it in school.
Thats what people fail to realize. And its fuckin silly to say the least. "If my kid learns about gays, then they will become of them there fags...and i aint havin that!!!!"
Gay. Pun intended.
Thats what people fail to realize. And its fuckin silly to say the least. "If my kid learns about gays, then they will become of them there fags...and i aint havin that!!!!"
Gay. Pun intended.
Because that’s what I believe...simple as that. It really doesn’t matter why because people are gonna believe what they believe.
I have a son. If my son told me one day he was gay…no…I would not disown him. That’s my son and I will love him no matter what. But it doesn’t mean I think what he’s doing is OK…or that I think he should marry a man.
Would you teach your son that he has the option of marrying a man or a woman?
I’m not saying that by learning about homosexuality…he will automatically become gay. But I believe being gay is a choice...and kids are easily influenced and do stupid shit all the time.
Call it silly or gay if you want…that’s what I believe.
I have a son. If my son told me one day he was gay…no…I would not disown him. That’s my son and I will love him no matter what. But it doesn’t mean I think what he’s doing is OK…or that I think he should marry a man.
Would you teach your son that he has the option of marrying a man or a woman?
I’m not saying that by learning about homosexuality…he will automatically become gay. But I believe being gay is a choice...and kids are easily influenced and do stupid shit all the time.
Call it silly or gay if you want…that’s what I believe.
WHY do you belive it? What brought you to the conclusion? Parents? Religious beliefs?
OK.
Uhhh...yeah...why not? I want my children, if i ever have any, to think for themselves and not let silly belief systems get in the way of them living happy and full lives. My dad gave me the same speech when i was 12...and he was a Lutheran pastor at the time. Did I turn out gay? No. I love pussu.
What brings you to the conclusion that being gay is a choice? I guess I do not get why someone would chose to be riduculed, outcasted, and bascially looked down upon by a majority of the US. Does that make any sense to you? Why would ANYONE willingy put themselves out there? Think about that for a second.
And you are entitled to that...thats your right as an American citizen.
Agreed.
OK.
Uhhh...yeah...why not? I want my children, if i ever have any, to think for themselves and not let silly belief systems get in the way of them living happy and full lives. My dad gave me the same speech when i was 12...and he was a Lutheran pastor at the time. Did I turn out gay? No. I love pussu.
What brings you to the conclusion that being gay is a choice? I guess I do not get why someone would chose to be riduculed, outcasted, and bascially looked down upon by a majority of the US. Does that make any sense to you? Why would ANYONE willingy put themselves out there? Think about that for a second.
And you are entitled to that...thats your right as an American citizen.
Agreed.
What brings you to the conclusion that it isn't a choice? Also, you're under the assumption that if it is a choice, all people who chose to live the lifestyle would be ridiculed, outcasted, and looked upon by the majority of americans, but have you considered the possibility that these people don't give a fuck about what people think about them?
http://www.queerbychoice.com/
http://www.queerbychoice.com/