Mayweather V. Ortiz

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Great fight for the sport.... Who u got?

  • Ortiz by KO

    Votes: 10 12.3%
  • Mayweather by KO

    Votes: 24 29.6%
  • Ortiz by points

    Votes: 5 6.2%
  • Mayweather by points

    Votes: 42 51.9%

  • Total voters
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Tony

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Well from what I seen Floyd looked sharper than ever.... he's changed his style. He's coming forward now and throwing more combinations.... I don't think Ortiz expected that from Floyd.... I sure didn't.... I can't remember the last time I seen Floyd throw an uppercut.

Pacquiao is going to get knocked out by Floyd. At first I thought it would be a UD but from the way Floyd is looking, I think he's going to KO Pacquiao like he did Hatton.
 
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ha! What's funny is you're at least half way right tony where I honestly believe a Pac vs Floyd fight floyd will now be the aggressor and Pac will stay on the outside and do his in and out style of fighting.

But tony you got to give me credit I said from day one Floyd was going to fight toe to toe with ortiz and wouldn't "run" or dance like people were saying he would. In fact he made ortiz back up for a bit of the fight.
 
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I don't know what fight you were watching. Ortiz landed 26 punches, and at no time in the fight was Ortiz ever a threat, other then head butting. I know you hate Mayweather and you was the main guy talking Mayweather will not stand in front Ortiz. Not only did Mayweather in front of Ortiz but he beat ass while doing it. Landing 74 punches in 4 rounds and almost closing Ortiz right eye. Ortiz wanted a way out because more ass whipping coming his way. Ortiz laneded 9/26 in the 4th round ha ha, sure he was doing great to Mayweather's 24/46 punches landed. I know people want to see that cocky rich nigga put to sleep but you better bring your lunch box to do it.
bigface you have me confused with someone else.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said "Ortiz was a threat"......I simply said he did better THAN I INITIALLY thought.

I Hate Mayweather?????????? Jesus kid. Is he your dad or something?

I won't continue a nonsense back and forth with you. You know everything.

Peace
 

Tony

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ha! What's funny is you're at least half way right tony where I honestly believe a Pac vs Floyd fight floyd will now be the aggressor and Pac will stay on the outside and do his in and out style of fighting.

But tony you got to give me credit I said from day one Floyd was going to fight toe to toe with ortiz and wouldn't "run" or dance like people were saying he would. In fact he made ortiz back up for a bit of the fight.
Yeah good call! Floyd's new style is all bad for Pacquiao... Pacquiao is used to being the aggressor (sp), hopefully they fight soon.
 
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I have always said Mayweather by late KO against Manny.. People hate Mayweather so much that they don't see the greatness in front of them. Wait until you watch it again 206.. Mayweather schooled, hurt, and played with Ortiz. Ortiz never landed a hard shot in four rounds. He was so outclassed, that's why he was looking for a way out.. As for Manny can not cut off the ring, and he has trouble landing sohts against head/foot movement. Floyd will counter and hurt Manny all night until the KO.. Mayweather is going to make it look easy against Manny. Manny vs Marquez 3 is going to be a war..
 

Tony

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That's the truth, he's going to knock Pacquiao out. Floyd looks too good.... Pacquiao is not going to last the whole fight with Floyd. Ortiz is younger, bigger, and stronger than Pacquiao and Floyd was taking the fight to him. He's going to seriously hurt Pacquiao.
 
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Yeah good call! Floyd's new style is all bad for Pacquiao... Pacquiao is used to being the aggressor (sp), hopefully they fight soon.
tbh I actually think this "new" style for floyd is a little bit more suited for pacquiao than the way he's fought in the past. Face it, Pacquiao likes guys in front of him. he doesn't do as well when guys are moving all over the place. He's like Gamboa in that sense. If Floyd is right there in front of him, that gives Pac a whole lot more chances to land some shots, especially his combination punching who floyd is not used to seeing especially with that kind of speed.

It's funny.
 
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That's the truth, he's going to knock Pacquiao out. Floyd looks too good.... Pacquiao is not going to last the whole fight with Floyd. Ortiz is younger, bigger, and stronger than Pacquiao and Floyd was taking the fight to him. He's going to seriously hurt Pacquiao.
Ortiz is younger, bigger and stronger but is far less skilled and a lot slower and he's also pretty damn chinny.

Regardless, even if pacquiao were to get his ass beat by floyd so what? People take a loss to serious these days. Duran got KILLED by Tommy Hearns and you know what? he's ranked in the top 10-15 (or 20 at worst) of the all time great fighters in history of the sport (higher than hearns).

People take that sh!t to seriously. Likewise for floyd.

Pac's accomplishments are so great that it doesn't even matter if he got KO'd. He's a little man fighting big guys at 147 and winning. Like Duran (who fought all the way up to Light Heavyweight!).
 

Tony

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Yeah Pacquiao likes guys in front of him that don't punch back (Clottey), that can't punch back (Mosley) or too slow to punch back (Margarito).

Floyd is all bad for Pacquiao.
 
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morales barrera hatton don't punch back?

you and trips man, wont give pac any credit. Which is funny to me because if pac and floyd fight and floyd dominates, I guess you wouldn't consider it a good win then? It wouldn't be one of the greatest victories of his career? lol
 

Tony

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Ortiz is younger, bigger and stronger but is far less skilled and a lot slower and he's also pretty damn chinny.

Regardless, even if pacquiao were to get his ass beat by floyd so what? People take a loss to serious these days. Duran got KILLED by Tommy Hearns and you know what? he's ranked in the top 10-15 (or 20 at worst) of the all time great fighters in history of the sport (higher than hearns).

People take that sh!t to seriously. Likewise for floyd.

Pac's accomplishments are so great that it doesn't even matter if he got KO'd. He's a little man fighting big guys at 147 and winning. Like Duran (who fought all the way up to Light Heavyweight!).
LMFAO, you fear that whoopin' that is coming for Pacquiao or what? Seems like you're already chalking it up as a loss. I honeslty think Pacquiao is scared of Floyd in and out of the ring, he'll face him in court though.
 

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Critiques on Cortez from supposedly an unamed official....I agree...

From Gabriel Montoya's article from maxboxing.com which has a section offering insight from an un-named other official who states what SHOULD have happened:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-l...ss-self-denied
“1) Joe Cortez had warned Ortiz previously about using his head.

2) Ortiz foul was not just a "butt" worth a one point deduction, it was a malicious, flagrant foul for use of the head as a weapon and intent to injure, even if unintentional and merited a two point deduction.

3) Cortez properly indicated time out after the foul of Ortiz by use of the "T" signal.

4) He properly took Ortiz’ hand and indicated to the judges, that he had deducted a point from Ortiz. I would have preferred that when scolding Ortiz, he would have calmly told him that he was being deducted points and any further such outrageous actions would result in disqualification. A referee in control should never show anger.

5) He now had the responsibility to check on the fouled fighter Mayweather to check on the extent of his injuries. As with any foul such as a low blow, Mayweather could have been give time to recover if the foul had done significant damage. What if Mayweather’s jaw would have been fractured and not just his mouth bloodied? Even if no injury is readily apparent, that referee MUST examine the fouled fighter. Cortez was so absorbed with admonishing Ortiz, he FAILED to examine the injured Floyd. Additionally, his time with Mayweather could also be very profitable if had engaged Mayweather in something like the following:
"Floyd, I understand you have been fouled. Do not retaliate or I will have to penalize you."
This is called in the business "preventative officiating." During this time an official also has a moment to slow down and collect his thoughts on how to diffuse a potentially dangerous moment where he could possibly lose control.

6) He then could have brought both fighters together in center ring, supervise the touching of gloves and again warn both participants that any further shenanigans will result in further punitive action. All would know the referee was in control of the contest.

7) After dealing with Ortiz, he did say "let’s go"’, indicating to the fighters that it was time to continue boxing, but he FAILED to communicate with the timekeeper.

8) The standard mechanic for resuming a boxing match after a time out is the verbal command "time in" concurrent with the rolling of the second finger to alert the timekeeper to restart his clock. If you have a time out, you must then have a time in.

9) The referee could momentarily, after his timer instruction, indicate to both fighters that it was now time to resume fisticuffs with the command "box". It would then be clear to all concerned that they now had the obligation "to protect themselves at all times."

10) To underscore that Cortez was the ultimate cause of allowing Mayweather to take advantage, was as Ortiz was being sent to dreamland, Cortez seemed to be preoccupied in conversation with the timer, something he should have taken care of before ordering the fight to continue.

11) I could not fully decipher Cortez’s words as he looked at the Nevada commission table, but it seemed to be either "Time?" or "Time-In?
This substantiates that Cortez wanted to know if the clock had been started, the clock stopped, or perhaps if he said "time?" , he had questions if the round had ended.
Thus if Cortez was not sure of the round’s time status, how could he expect the hyped up Ortiz to be aware? Fair but firm was not competent in my opinion.”
 
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LMFAO, you fear that whoopin' that is coming for Pacquiao or what? Seems like you're already chalking it up as a loss.
Maybe you have a reading disability I said "regardless, even IF" he were to lose. That's for arguement sake homie.

You can go back two years and I've always maintained that Floyd could beat pac and pac could beat floyd. We just don't know until they step in the ring. Floyd has never fought anyone like pac and pac has never fought anyone like floyd. That's the truth. You can take that however way you want but that's always what I've been saying.


I honeslty think Pacquiao is scared of Floyd in and out of the ring, he'll face him in court though.
We'll find out after the Marquez fight wont we? No point talking about that now until after JMM and assuming Pac wins we'll see what happens.
 
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Manny vs Marquez is going to be dope maybe fight of night. Margarito vs Cotto has chance to be fight of the year too, because they really hate eachother. 206 watch the replay of Ortiz vs Mayweather Saturday, it looked like Mosley vs Mayweather round 13. Very good performance by Floyd.. If you make a mistake you have to pay.. Lol. What will Merchant have to say after the replay???
 
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Critiques on Cortez from supposedly an unamed official....I agree...d have taken care of before ordering the fight to continue.

11) I could not fully decipher Cortez’s words as he looked at the Nevada commission table, but it seemed to be either "Time?" or "Time-In?
This substantiates that Cortez wanted to know if the clock had been started, the clock stopped, or perhaps if he said "time?" , he had questions if the round had ended.
Thus if Cortez was not sure of the round’s time status, how could he expect the hyped up Ortiz to be aware? Fair but firm was not competent in my opinion.”

This is exactly what I was getting at by my post last night.....

How can you restart a fight and not know if the time had expired?

Look, I am not trying to make excuses for Ortiz. He got beat plain and simple.

The Ref just made everything look 20x's worse.

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Another thing.....

I wonder what fools would be saying if it was Ortiz that punched Mayweather like that.....

It would be a different tune. I am sure.

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to be the first to take his "0" off something like that, yeah it would be crazy.

The only thing that comes to mind is Roy jones when roy jones was 34-0 and fought Montell Griffin....as we know jones knocked him down, then hit him again when he was down and got DQ'd, thus giving Griffin the win and becoming the first man to "beat" the undefeated Jones.

There was quite an uproar about that at the time. I mean Jones was the Mayweather of boxing at that time.
 

Tony

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If roles were reversed I would say that's just what Mayweather gets.... I'm not racially biased when it comes to fighting fair.

Yeah Victor should have been disqualified for that butt... that butt wasn't your typical headbutt.... could have dislocated Floyd's jaw and Cortez never checked on Floyd or gave him the proper time to recover. So Floyd used that to his advantage.
 
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It wouldn't have happened because Mayweather is not a dumbass. Mayweather don't hug and kiss in the ring, he fights. I said it from the beginning Mayweather is going to KO Ortiz, because Mayweather has a chip on his shoulder. Ask Mosley was that a cheap shot when he tried to touch Floyd's glove. If you make a mistake you have to pay..