Mayweather V. Ortiz
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Cortez said "Let's go." That's a verbal command to continue the fight. I already posted the vid of it pages ago. Lets go, coupled with the hand motion = the fight continues.
Ortiz was warned twice in the fourth for headbutts BEFORE he pulled that Chris Benoit shit. The fool got what he deserved, he apologized three times for something he should nto have done in the first place. And guess what? No need for us to really discuss this shit fam. You see how Ortiz is smiling and shit? That should tell you something.
Ortiz was warned twice in the fourth for headbutts BEFORE he pulled that Chris Benoit shit. The fool got what he deserved, he apologized three times for something he should nto have done in the first place. And guess what? No need for us to really discuss this shit fam. You see how Ortiz is smiling and shit? That should tell you something.
i honestly dont know if pac will be able to beat floyd...if they ever fight
BUT
pac will go down with much more love and respect in boxing than floyd cause he's just a warrior. and if they dont ever fight ill just keep in mind that guys who floyd beat like de la hoya and hatton...pac beat better (except marquez). pac went in and annihilated those guys way easier than floyd could
plus pac doesnt yell at old men. he just rambles in uncomprehendable english saying really nice things about everybody
ill pay to watch a pacquiao fight over a mayweather fight any day. novembers fight wont draw as big of numbers as this past weekend but i assure you itll be a hell of a better fight
BUT
pac will go down with much more love and respect in boxing than floyd cause he's just a warrior. and if they dont ever fight ill just keep in mind that guys who floyd beat like de la hoya and hatton...pac beat better (except marquez). pac went in and annihilated those guys way easier than floyd could
plus pac doesnt yell at old men. he just rambles in uncomprehendable english saying really nice things about everybody
ill pay to watch a pacquiao fight over a mayweather fight any day. novembers fight wont draw as big of numbers as this past weekend but i assure you itll be a hell of a better fight
No they won't. When people start talking about the best P4P Floyds name will be tossed into the hat. Look at how much he has done for boxing, his record, how many titles, how many weight classes, etc. He will go down as one of the all time greats. The other two? They will be considered warriors, and will have respect from their peers, but in no way will their legacies be considered bigger or better than Floyds.
as much as I love the Mexican fighters and as much as it's easy to hate on Floyd, he's a 6 division champion. DLH lost quite a bit at the end of his career and lost his biggest fights, but he accomplished more in boxing than Barrera or Morales. That's not even including what he did to bring boxing as much attention as he did.
great read
A true fan doesn't need to know a thing about a boxer to appreciate a display of the science, as long as the fighter is fundamentally sound. A true fan looks for subtleties and nuances that the casual fan will miss because he's looking only for big shots and slug fests.
A true fan will look for timing, he'll look at footwork, he'll look at how a fighter paces himself, he'll look at how a fighter manages to get back outside after unloading a flurry on the inside. A true fan looks for feints and how well a fighter uses them. He looks for a fighter to double and triple up on the jab. He looks for a fighter to hook off the jab.
A true fan is interested in what the corner is telling their fighter. He's even more interested in a fighter's breathing in between rounds. A true fans spends time getting to know the tell tale signs of trouble on the horizon, and then appreciates how well a fighter can mask those signs during the next round.
Casual fans are looking for brawls and knockouts. They are chanting their favorite fighters names while the true fan just wants it quiet to study everything.
Pacquiao fans are casual fans. We can all appreciate Pacquiao's success, but not all of us will call a mule a thoroughbred. Pacquiao has done some impressive things, but most have been through special conditions like vacant tiles which allowed him to avoid champions, and catchweights that did NOT allow his opponents to be at their very best.
His skillset is NOT impressive, but his work-rate is inhuman. That's how Pacquiao wins his fights: He doesn't outbox anyone really. He outworks them by a mile. And its really, really fun to watch, but in past years its a bit annoying because he wants to be seen as the best but won't fight the best while they still are the best.
Fighting a guy who has been dethroned for name recognition isn't fooling any true fan. We all like to watch Pacquiao do his thing, but unless his thing becomes facing the #1, 2 & 3 guys in a division, he'll just be an entertainer and not a top fighter. Just because some boxing writers have kind words for him and shower him with media based accolades doesn't make him the best.
History certainly won't be as kind as today's writers.
All fans want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao, but only true fans know that Floyd doesn't need Pacquiao. Before Pacquiao ever came up to WW Floyd was already P4P#1, the #1 WW and a HOF. Floyd had done everything he said he would do YEARS ago. Everything after DLH was just bonus material. He was supposed to retire. True fans know that Floyd spent the past 11 years at the top of the sport dominating all comers. Arum himself called him greater than Ali.
Once Floyd had come up from SFW to jrMW, he had done everything that he ever said that he wanted to.
Of course, the casual fans barked that Floyd hadn't done enough even though no active boxer had done more against better opposition including BHOP.
The new "breed' of fans, mainly pactards, hated that Floyd was so skilled and so accomplished that Manny Pacquiao was living in his shadow. Floyd had only been gone for 2008, but they exaggerate and say "years" because they need to make it seem as though Floyd somehow ducked people, even though he had beaten the #1 WW.
True fans remember all of that.
Casual fans try to be witty and clever because they are forced to use sarcasm in place of substance in conversations about who is boxing's MVP.
In the end, passed all of the insults, jokes and opinions .. boxing's MVP is the man who has consistently fought the #1, 2 & 3 and come out victorious EVERY time. Boxing's MVP is the man who just fought a fighter who is 10 years younger and weighed 16lbs heavier and was the #2 WW WBC champion of the world. Boxing's MVP is the man who brings millions of new fans to the sport BEFORE he ever even steps into the ring. The people want to see this man. They want to hear his words, his thought and see his desire to win in the ring.
Who else can you say this about? Who else brings this kind of intrigue, negative or positive? Who else can talk that much sh!t and back it up? Who else could stand in front of Ortiz and let punches miss and bounce off of him?
It isn't about Floyd Mayweather the man. Its about Floyd Mayweather's skills! His skills are half man, half amazing. I agree that trading is exciting, but as a student of the game watching the science put on display in the heat of battle right in the other fighter's face is the highest form of pugilism. Casual fans will NEVER get that until its too late and they have to watch this man on tape.
You're witnessing a talent that you won't see again for decades and every pactard out there is sittin' on the dock near the bay .. wasting time.
Its a shame, but they were never here to appreciate the science anyway. They were here for one and only one personality.
And that is the tragedy of the casual fan.
A true fan doesn't need to know a thing about a boxer to appreciate a display of the science, as long as the fighter is fundamentally sound. A true fan looks for subtleties and nuances that the casual fan will miss because he's looking only for big shots and slug fests.
A true fan will look for timing, he'll look at footwork, he'll look at how a fighter paces himself, he'll look at how a fighter manages to get back outside after unloading a flurry on the inside. A true fan looks for feints and how well a fighter uses them. He looks for a fighter to double and triple up on the jab. He looks for a fighter to hook off the jab.
A true fan is interested in what the corner is telling their fighter. He's even more interested in a fighter's breathing in between rounds. A true fans spends time getting to know the tell tale signs of trouble on the horizon, and then appreciates how well a fighter can mask those signs during the next round.
Casual fans are looking for brawls and knockouts. They are chanting their favorite fighters names while the true fan just wants it quiet to study everything.
Pacquiao fans are casual fans. We can all appreciate Pacquiao's success, but not all of us will call a mule a thoroughbred. Pacquiao has done some impressive things, but most have been through special conditions like vacant tiles which allowed him to avoid champions, and catchweights that did NOT allow his opponents to be at their very best.
His skillset is NOT impressive, but his work-rate is inhuman. That's how Pacquiao wins his fights: He doesn't outbox anyone really. He outworks them by a mile. And its really, really fun to watch, but in past years its a bit annoying because he wants to be seen as the best but won't fight the best while they still are the best.
Fighting a guy who has been dethroned for name recognition isn't fooling any true fan. We all like to watch Pacquiao do his thing, but unless his thing becomes facing the #1, 2 & 3 guys in a division, he'll just be an entertainer and not a top fighter. Just because some boxing writers have kind words for him and shower him with media based accolades doesn't make him the best.
History certainly won't be as kind as today's writers.
All fans want to see Mayweather/Pacquiao, but only true fans know that Floyd doesn't need Pacquiao. Before Pacquiao ever came up to WW Floyd was already P4P#1, the #1 WW and a HOF. Floyd had done everything he said he would do YEARS ago. Everything after DLH was just bonus material. He was supposed to retire. True fans know that Floyd spent the past 11 years at the top of the sport dominating all comers. Arum himself called him greater than Ali.
Once Floyd had come up from SFW to jrMW, he had done everything that he ever said that he wanted to.
Of course, the casual fans barked that Floyd hadn't done enough even though no active boxer had done more against better opposition including BHOP.
The new "breed' of fans, mainly pactards, hated that Floyd was so skilled and so accomplished that Manny Pacquiao was living in his shadow. Floyd had only been gone for 2008, but they exaggerate and say "years" because they need to make it seem as though Floyd somehow ducked people, even though he had beaten the #1 WW.
True fans remember all of that.
Casual fans try to be witty and clever because they are forced to use sarcasm in place of substance in conversations about who is boxing's MVP.
In the end, passed all of the insults, jokes and opinions .. boxing's MVP is the man who has consistently fought the #1, 2 & 3 and come out victorious EVERY time. Boxing's MVP is the man who just fought a fighter who is 10 years younger and weighed 16lbs heavier and was the #2 WW WBC champion of the world. Boxing's MVP is the man who brings millions of new fans to the sport BEFORE he ever even steps into the ring. The people want to see this man. They want to hear his words, his thought and see his desire to win in the ring.
Who else can you say this about? Who else brings this kind of intrigue, negative or positive? Who else can talk that much sh!t and back it up? Who else could stand in front of Ortiz and let punches miss and bounce off of him?
It isn't about Floyd Mayweather the man. Its about Floyd Mayweather's skills! His skills are half man, half amazing. I agree that trading is exciting, but as a student of the game watching the science put on display in the heat of battle right in the other fighter's face is the highest form of pugilism. Casual fans will NEVER get that until its too late and they have to watch this man on tape.
You're witnessing a talent that you won't see again for decades and every pactard out there is sittin' on the dock near the bay .. wasting time.
Its a shame, but they were never here to appreciate the science anyway. They were here for one and only one personality.
And that is the tragedy of the casual fan.
And I wanna go on record and say that I think Ortiz was on his way to getting stopped anyways. I never thought he would and anyone that regularly posts here knows what I said about it before the fight. The right hand was landing EASY. WAAAAAAAAAY too easy and the incompetence of Garcia's training abilities showed in 3 rounds. Everyone and their momma that follows boxing knows that the best weapon against a southpaw is a straight right hand from an orthodox fighter. He rarely if ever blocked those and didn't throw much of a straight left which he could have because Floyd had his lead food INSIDE the lead foot of Ortiz often in the fight. The punch was there to be landed. Total fail in this regard. Ortiz was already swelling and I said in the beginning of the 3rd round that I thought Ortiz was gonna get knocked down in the next few rounds because he's simply not seeing the punches well enough. Little did I know what was gonna happen the next round lol
Team Ortiz: We Won't Protest Mayweather KO Loss
BoxingScene.com or provide a link to the original article.
By Ryan Burton
BoxingScene.com was advised by Victor Ortiz's manager, Rolando Arellano, that they will not file an appeal over Saturday's knockout loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Ortiz was knocked out after apologizing to Mayweather, for a second time, for what appeared to be a deliberate head butt a moment ealier. After touching gloves, Floyd landed a left hand and followed up with a right hand that floored the former WBC welterweight champion. Ortiz had his hands by his side when Mayweather caught him.
At the post-fight press conference at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Arellano said that he would review the tape to see if he had a case to appeal the knockout loss. After reviewing the tape, Arellano deemed the hit legal.
"I was very motivated to file a fucking appeal. I really wanted to f*cking file one but after reviewing the tape I decided not to. There was two seconds left on the clock when Cortez said to box."
While he said the hit didn't break any rules, the always quotable Arrellano said that Mayweather's punch broke the rules of sportsmanship.
"While it was legal that doesn't change the fact that it was a f*cking sucker punch. Victor apologized for the headbutt and in good sportsmanship he apologized again. He wanted to let Floyd know he was sorry and that is when he was hit with the sucker punch The punch was legal so there is nothing we can do about changing this fight but we do want a rematch," said Arellano.
I guess Ortiz's jumping headbutt was sportsman like. You got your ass beat Ortiz deal with and rematch Berto..
BoxingScene.com or provide a link to the original article.
By Ryan Burton
BoxingScene.com was advised by Victor Ortiz's manager, Rolando Arellano, that they will not file an appeal over Saturday's knockout loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Ortiz was knocked out after apologizing to Mayweather, for a second time, for what appeared to be a deliberate head butt a moment ealier. After touching gloves, Floyd landed a left hand and followed up with a right hand that floored the former WBC welterweight champion. Ortiz had his hands by his side when Mayweather caught him.
At the post-fight press conference at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Arellano said that he would review the tape to see if he had a case to appeal the knockout loss. After reviewing the tape, Arellano deemed the hit legal.
"I was very motivated to file a fucking appeal. I really wanted to f*cking file one but after reviewing the tape I decided not to. There was two seconds left on the clock when Cortez said to box."
While he said the hit didn't break any rules, the always quotable Arrellano said that Mayweather's punch broke the rules of sportsmanship.
"While it was legal that doesn't change the fact that it was a f*cking sucker punch. Victor apologized for the headbutt and in good sportsmanship he apologized again. He wanted to let Floyd know he was sorry and that is when he was hit with the sucker punch The punch was legal so there is nothing we can do about changing this fight but we do want a rematch," said Arellano.
I guess Ortiz's jumping headbutt was sportsman like. You got your ass beat Ortiz deal with and rematch Berto..
I don't know what fight you were watching. Ortiz landed 26 punches, and at no time in the fight was Ortiz ever a threat, other then head butting. I know you hate Mayweather and you was the main guy talking Mayweather will not stand in front Ortiz. Not only did Mayweather in front of Ortiz but he beat ass while doing it. Landing 74 punches in 4 rounds and almost closing Ortiz right eye. Ortiz wanted a way out because more ass whipping coming his way. Ortiz laneded 9/26 in the 4th round ha ha, sure he was doing great to Mayweather's 24/46 punches landed. I know people want to see that cocky rich nigga put to sleep but you better bring your lunch box to do it.
If Mayweather is unsportsmanlike then what is Ortiz? He's the one who busted Floyd's lip (inside and out) with a leaping headbutt, followed by a left hook. He made it a streetfight from that point but Floyd gets critisized for a sucker punch?
Floyd pulled a Petyon Manning in my opinion, caught the defense off guard. If Peyton Manning throws a TD pass while the defense isn't ready, does he get the unsportsmanlike label? Once the whistle blows it's on. It's just like a baseball player stealing bases.
Floyd pulled a Petyon Manning in my opinion, caught the defense off guard. If Peyton Manning throws a TD pass while the defense isn't ready, does he get the unsportsmanlike label? Once the whistle blows it's on. It's just like a baseball player stealing bases.
I haven't rewatched the fight yet, but I always take those compubox numbers with a grain of salt. Usually they are fairly accurate for the most part, and in their defense some fights are a lot harder to do than others, but I remember one of the rounds, maybe round 2 or something, where they showed the numbers for the round and I thought there was no way ortiz only landed 7 punches or whatever the number was shown (it SEEMED like he landed a lot more).
Again, that was watching it live though. Just saying, those compubox guys are literally two guys with clickers connected to a laptop.
I really wish they (compubox) would re-watch the fight afterwords and score it officially based on the tape, because watching it live and from whatever angle they are at at ringside just isn't the same.
Again, that was watching it live though. Just saying, those compubox guys are literally two guys with clickers connected to a laptop.
I really wish they (compubox) would re-watch the fight afterwords and score it officially based on the tape, because watching it live and from whatever angle they are at at ringside just isn't the same.