Mayweather V. Ortiz
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I can't see Mayweather going for the KO... He better play if safe because he's been out of the ring for 16 months and Ortiz is bigger and stronger than Floyd. So Floyd better do what he has to do to protect that 0. I mean Shane almost knocked him down and that was 16 months ago. Ortiz is not going to gas or tire out like Shane did... I see Ortiz going for the KO if/when he hurts Floyd.
Floyd better play it cool...
Floyd better play it cool...
@206 you said:
I agree with this. Even though he has some good food movement at times, if you aren't moving your head against someone who is a counter puncher or has as much speed as Floyd does you're going to get hit...alot.
He did everything you just listed plus he kept that jab out there. He also knew what to do when Floyd was against the ropes which is something a lot of boxers either don't know how to do or simply don't give a damn about that. However, Castillo was like 10 lbs heavier than Floyd in that fight so it was a bit easier for him to get in and muscle him around a bit, but still, the head movement was there and he seemed good on his feet.
In order for Ortiz to win this fight he is going to have to knock Floyd out. He is not going to outbox Floyd. So how does he do it? You either put yourself out there like you said and risk getting hit all night (and possibly knocked out yourself), you wait for Floyd to make a mistake (I doubt this will happen) or you come in with a skill set that allows you to beat a boxer. You're moving, you're using a strong jab, you're cutting off the ring and you're going to the body before you start trying to knock his head off. For Floyd to win this fight he just needs to adjust his stance a bit because he's fighting a soutpaw (which will make the fight a bit closer as far as distance is concerned) and use his jab to keep him back or to measure him for when he starts throwing power shots.
I don't think his age or layoff is going to hurt him because he has a lot of discipline. Leonard was able to come off a long layoff and win and BHOP is in his 40's still winning fights. Floyd is a GREAT/EXCELLENT boxer. He's someone who was built for this. He's one of those people where the stars aligned, everything fell in place or God blessed him (I know you're gonna lol@that one.) Whatever the case may be, he can stay away, come back, shake the cobwebs off and get into his groove.
I agree with this. Even though he has some good food movement at times, if you aren't moving your head against someone who is a counter puncher or has as much speed as Floyd does you're going to get hit...alot.
He did everything you just listed plus he kept that jab out there. He also knew what to do when Floyd was against the ropes which is something a lot of boxers either don't know how to do or simply don't give a damn about that. However, Castillo was like 10 lbs heavier than Floyd in that fight so it was a bit easier for him to get in and muscle him around a bit, but still, the head movement was there and he seemed good on his feet.
In order for Ortiz to win this fight he is going to have to knock Floyd out. He is not going to outbox Floyd. So how does he do it? You either put yourself out there like you said and risk getting hit all night (and possibly knocked out yourself), you wait for Floyd to make a mistake (I doubt this will happen) or you come in with a skill set that allows you to beat a boxer. You're moving, you're using a strong jab, you're cutting off the ring and you're going to the body before you start trying to knock his head off. For Floyd to win this fight he just needs to adjust his stance a bit because he's fighting a soutpaw (which will make the fight a bit closer as far as distance is concerned) and use his jab to keep him back or to measure him for when he starts throwing power shots.
I don't think his age or layoff is going to hurt him because he has a lot of discipline. Leonard was able to come off a long layoff and win and BHOP is in his 40's still winning fights. Floyd is a GREAT/EXCELLENT boxer. He's someone who was built for this. He's one of those people where the stars aligned, everything fell in place or God blessed him (I know you're gonna lol@that one.) Whatever the case may be, he can stay away, come back, shake the cobwebs off and get into his groove.
Good post heresy. Co-sign most all of it.
Only the last part I'd like to point out a couple things
Leonard was actually pretty tricky and smart about this. He actually fought at least two, private, full 12 round fights, with judges and referee. No headgear, no breaks, they were 12 round 3 minute round fights. This was completely off the books and in closed doors. He did this to shake the ring rust prior to hagler and the rest is history.
As for Hopkins, since he's been old I've heard him say a number of times he needs to keep his motors running. After beating Winky Wright, he took about 10 months off before fighting Calzaghe and had a poor fight. He immediately fought Kelly Pavlik and looked phenomenal. he then took a year off and looked terrible against Roy Jones. Soon after he fought Jean Pascal and looked great and the rematch was within 6 months and looked even better. So for hopkins, his track record post 40 shows the longer the inactivity, the worse his performance is. The sooner the fight, the better.
With all that said I don't personally think Mayweather will be effected much be the layoff. He stays in great shape and his style is one of which should allow him to fight on amazing levels as he gets older.
Only the last part I'd like to point out a couple things
Leonard was actually pretty tricky and smart about this. He actually fought at least two, private, full 12 round fights, with judges and referee. No headgear, no breaks, they were 12 round 3 minute round fights. This was completely off the books and in closed doors. He did this to shake the ring rust prior to hagler and the rest is history.
As for Hopkins, since he's been old I've heard him say a number of times he needs to keep his motors running. After beating Winky Wright, he took about 10 months off before fighting Calzaghe and had a poor fight. He immediately fought Kelly Pavlik and looked phenomenal. he then took a year off and looked terrible against Roy Jones. Soon after he fought Jean Pascal and looked great and the rematch was within 6 months and looked even better. So for hopkins, his track record post 40 shows the longer the inactivity, the worse his performance is. The sooner the fight, the better.
With all that said I don't personally think Mayweather will be effected much be the layoff. He stays in great shape and his style is one of which should allow him to fight on amazing levels as he gets older.
The WBC is stripping Timothy Bradley of his 140 pound belt (due to inactivity and the fact he's moving to 147) and Golden Boy is requesting that they make Morales vs Barrios a WBC title fight. lmao. Just handing those belts out like candy!
If anyone should get that belt it should be The Ghost vs Maidana winner.
But I already see the plan. They want Morales to win a belt then fight Amir Khan for the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.
If anyone should get that belt it should be The Ghost vs Maidana winner.
But I already see the plan. They want Morales to win a belt then fight Amir Khan for the WBC, WBA and IBF belts.
