Mayweather To Return May 5th Wants Pacquiao!! STEP UP MANNY!!

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I sort of disagree, even though I propped you on that post.

He won a 154 pound title, fighting at 150 instead of the full limit of 154 right, didn't that happen against Margarito? Sup with the catchweights????
Boxing historians, and just a fan of the sport such as myself, don't give him full credit for that title. The catchweight doesn't mean anything, the reason it was bogus was because neither margarito or pac were ranked at 154 and it was a vacant title, i.e neither deserved to fight for it and the WBC obviously just wanted to get the money. So that was a bogus title to begin with, even before the catchweight. But you can't blame pacquiao for the WBC deciding to make it a title fight, as pac vs margarito would have happened regardless if that vacant belt was on the line or not.

If you take that title away, he still has the record for winning titles in 7 weight classes, and 4 linear titles in 4 weight classes. Which is amazing.

I would say Floyd's is more impressive because he beat "prime" fighters at their natural weights and didn't weight drain them or fight them when they were on the decline (Shane for example).
Shane wasn't prime against Floyd or Pacquiao, although he was coming off an impressive win over margarito so his win was better (I have said on this forum fighting Mosley was a waste of time for pacquiao).

You can also dissect floyd's resume too, any fighters resume can from Ali to floyd to hopkins. As you know a lot of floyd's critics/haters will discredit his wins over pretty much everyone (hatton was fighting at too big of a weight class, castillo beat him, etc etc etc). So if someone has an agenda or personal dislike for a fighter, they can and will discredit wins.

Plus he took on fighters that were undefeated (Corrales, Hatton). And didn't take on fighters coming off of losess or bad performances....
I'm not going to debate who's resume is better, because that's up to you to decide and the historians (who already have pacquiao much higher than floyd on the all time great list), but as far as good wins for pacquiao a lot of his critics unfairly criticize him when he fought and beat the top guys in Barrera, Morales & Marquez in a span of just a couple of years at 126/130 pounds. That's 3 hall of famers and all time greats in a short period of time. That was an amazing stretch of fights. Obviously going up in weight beating Hatton was a good win (not phenomenal), Cotto was a Great win, Clottey a solid defense. Since then though he wasted time with Mosley, had a tough one with Marquez and margarito was an interesting fight but not sure it does a whole lot legacy wise, although it's at worst an ok win.
 
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mannys resume compared to floyds is laughable I don't see how u can compare fighting drained out old & slow opponents to fighting guys who at the moment are at the top of their game ortiz, mosley, corrales, gatti, de la hoya, mosley, hatton etc...
that's the thing though out of those guys the only two on top of their games was Corrales & Ortiz, neither of which are/were elite fighters. You should have mentioned Castillo as he was prime/elite.

This is why I say Bernard Hopkins legacy is better than both Pac & Floyd as he TRULY took on real challenges. Fought undefeated Glen Johnon (32-0), undefeated Joe Lipsey (25-0), undefeated Felix Trinidad (40-0), undefeated Kelly Pavlik (34-0), undefeated Joe Calzaghe (44-0), undefeated Jermain Taylor (23-0), 40-1 & #1 contender Howard Eastman, #1 contender William Joppy, #1 contender Keith Holmes, #1 contender Antwun Echols, #1 contender Robert Allen, #1 contender Segundo Mercado, light heavyweight champ in Jean Pascal at age 46, light heavyweight champ in Antonio Tarver at age 41 and more.

It truly does shit on pac & floyd as far as challenges go. Hopkins just isn't nearly as popular that's the only real difference.
 
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nobody fights their mandatories anymore these days. Bhop fought all of them and unified ALL the belts (not just one or two, but 5 BELTS! (WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF, The Ring)). Only person in history to that, in any weight class.



It's very hard to do, nearly impossible with all the BS politics and whatnot in boxing.
 
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latest on pac/floyd drama (basically pac says if floyd agrees to a 50/50 split they can fight)

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/...blic-responses-to-mayweathers-twitter-attacks

Where Floyd Mayweather Jr. has used his Twitter account to tell Manny Pacquiao to "step up punk," adding that he is "ready to put my belt up," his Filipino counterpart has responded publicly from the Philippines, declaring that he will fight for a 50-50 split of the purse.

"To all of my fans...Mayweather just needs to agree to and accept a 50 percent split, and if he does, then the fight will go through. He's the one who needs to agree," Pacquiao told TV Patrol of ABS-CBN in his native Philippines.

"He's the one who has to say yes. The reason is because he talks to a lot of people. He has a lot of representatives. If he takes the fight, he can make $50-to-60 million. That's how much he can make."

Pacquiao had more to say during a Thursday press conference in Manila, where he was joined by Top Rank Inc. CEO, Bob Arum, his promoter.

"I want to fight him. This is the fight the world wants. Mayweather wants a guaranteed purse, so what he has to do is get a promoter who can give him the guarantee," said Pacquiao.

"I don't have problems getting a guarantee because I have a promoter who will give me my guaranteed purse. If he gets a guarantee, then we are going to share the revenue on a 50-50 basis."

Their debates come during a week when both fighters are expected to announce that they will fight separate opponents.
 

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http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/Manny-Pacquiao-camp-says-no-fight-with-Floyd-Mayweather-on-May-5-011112

MANILA, Philippines (AP)

Manny Pacquiao's camp says there is no economic sense in setting up a bout with Floyd Mayweather on May 5 after the unbeaten American publicly challenged the Filipino champion via Twitter.


Pacquiao's financial adviser Michael Koncz told The Associated Press on Thursday that a 45,000-seat boxing arena being built in Las Vegas won't be finished before the end of May and staging the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in a smaller venue is ''foolish from an economic standpoint.''

Mayweather challenged and taunted Pacquiao to a May 5 bout in a tweet on Tuesday.

''Manny Pacquiao I'm calling you out let's fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see,'' he tweeted.

Mayweather is available for a fight in May at the MGM Grand Garden after a judge agreed last week to postpone his jail sentence for domestic violence until June. Mayweather was sentenced to 87 days in jail, but likely will serve less time.

The MGM Grand only seats about 17,000, which could fetch around $20 million in sales, but the larger arena could raise an additional $30 million, Koncz said.

''Why would I tell Manny to fight on the 5th and throw away a percentage of 30 million? That's crazy,'' he said.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has told the Philippines' GMA television the only reason the fight won't happen is if there is an ''economic problem.''

He said the fight ''could happen very, very easily'' at the end of May - enough time to build the outdoor arena ''the fight so badly needs.''

''I will also guarantee Manny's purse,'' he said. ''In other words, Manny doesn't want to go into the ring and just fight out a percentage.''

He said Mayweather is looking for ''outside parties to guarantee his end of the purse.''

''So, until he finds the angel, there is no fight,'' Arum said.

In a separate interview with GMA, Pacquiao said that if Mayweather agrees to a ''50-50 sharing, there will be no problem.''

''The purse is not the issue right now, the date is,'' Koncz said. ''But we don't have a problem splitting it 50-50.''

The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight may be the most lucrative bout in boxing history.
 

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Floyd is ready (as so it seems)

Pacquiao's team is screwing around. One day it's June 9th. The next it's economic reasons and they need a stadium built. Then it's the cut hasn't healed. Then it's the investors. Now Pacquiao and Arum are talking about Floyd's purse and that he can't get a guarantee... man WTF?
 
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I feel ya. I think in regards to the gaurantee they mean they need floyd to have whoever will promote him come up with his side of the guarantee, which is normal, and that surely would be golden boy, but floyd is a free agent he can have anyone represent him (don king, etc.)
 
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Lol. Mayweather is exposing Manny everyday. Manny running scared of the Mayweather fight. Didn't Bob Arum say two months ago that Mayweather was scared of Manny right hand. lol. 2 months later and ole Bob is scared to make the fight with the so-called scared Floyd. I love how the Manny fans want to act like it's both sides fault that the fight is not being made. No it's Manny's fault, just like 2 years ago Manny is running scared and making every excuse he can to duck the fight. It took two years for Manny just to agree to OSDT.

The Top Rank and Team Manny excuses.

The question with a Mayweather fight is at what weight? That's the big question. At 140, I don't think there's any problem making that fight. If Floyd wants to come in at a higher weight, I don't know. A catch-weight is a possibility also. But none of that has been discussed and I won't let anyone discuss it until after this fight but he could go fuck himself. Tell him that! Fuck Mayweather. Pacquiao's the big attraction. He has to come to us if he wants it. If he doesn't come to us, there's dozens of other guys we can fight."

"You can tell Floyd Mayweather that Bob Arum said he's delusional. Floyd is not the attraction. Manny is the attraction. Floyd's got no idea what he's talking about. Even a 50/50 split with Floyd Mayweather is nonsense."

"The fight that should be made is Mayweather and Shane Mosley, but Mayweather won't take that fight. He won't take any fight where there is any possibility where he might lose. Money is secondary with him. He will not take a chance like a normal fighter. He cares more about his legacy and being able to retire undefeated so he could say that he never lost a fight."

"Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken, and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and, to me, just signaled that he didn't want the fight"

"I think the boxing fans are going to be disappointed, but they have to realize, they have to cut Floyd Mayweather some slack. I mean, we know that his uncle is facing some difficulties in the courts in Nevada and I can see his reluctance to commit to a big fight with Manny Pacquiao without having the services of his uncle"

"We don't believe USADA (United States Anti-Doping Agency) is a neutral organization.”

"Listen, we're not going to consider anything until after the Marquez fight. The way they are going about it seems like a bizarre way to go about it. If you want to put it together, you meet, you talk. You don't just come out and say, 'The fight is May 5 at the MGM.' What kind of negotiation is that? So I don't take what they said seriously."

"How can you make a deal without knowing the criminal situation?"

"Floyd is making a sick joke, trying to steal Pac's spotlight right now, we can't wait for Floyd, Bradley could be next."

"May 5 is out for us, it can't happen, because we want to explore the idea of getting a stadium up on the streets of Las Vegas that can seat 40,000."

"I want to make sure Manny's cuts are healed. What if they fought and Manny started bleeding on the first punch?"

LATEST :

"Mayweather needs somebody on his side that's going to guarantee his purse. Mayweather has nobody on his side and Golden Boy (Oscar de la Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions) is not going to guarantee his purse

Manny is SHOOK of Mayweather
 
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pac's accomplishments compared to floyd's are equally impressive, although pac's are slightly more impressive because of the number of weight classes he won titles in. Floyd gets extra bonuses for being undefeated of course, so it's close resume wise. If pac never fights floyd, his legacy does become a bit tainted though, although both no matter what are already all time greats and future hall of famers and that's a sealed deal, nothing can change that. Personally I think bernard hopkins is above both of them when it comes to resume, legacy and challenges taken, but that's obviously besides the point. If this fight never happens, it's a damn shame and one will really have to question pacquiao's heart and/or his intelligence (depending on which you believe - is he really that naive/dumb to be manipulated by bob arum, or does he just not care for the fight).
LOL. Other then MAB, Morales 2, and 145lb Cotto Manny's resume is all hype.
Let me break some things down for the people after 130lb Manny's resume is wack.
ODLH, Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey were not even champions when Manny fought them.
Since 135lb Manny has not even fought the Top dog/ Ring Mag champion at 135, 140, 147, or 154. And no beating up coked out Hatton after Mayweather beat him like a drum 1st don't count. Manny big fights for the last 4 years have been at catchweights, Cotto, Margarito, and ODLH-yes ODLH I bet most people don't know that in the contract for Manny vs ODLH, ODLH had to way in at 147lb the day of the fight.

Mayweather beat more P4P rated fighters then Manny. Mayweather beat the Top Dog/ Ring Mag champion in every division he has a belt in. Mayweather fights guys when they are P4P rated or a champion. When was the last time Floyd didn't fight a champion? Floyd beat Genaro Hernandez 130lb Lineal champion, Corrales 135lb lineal Champion, Hatton 140lb Lineal Champion, Judah/Baldomir 147lb Lineal champion. Manny's resume is not fucking with Floyd's resume.

History will not be kind to Manny if he ducks Mayweather or if Mayweather beats him bad. Manny after 130lb is all hype and great Top Rank match making.
 
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lol. I guess the truth hurts. Mayweather's Lineal Championships from 130lb - 147lb don't lie. Sorry to have to slap you around with facts again. The nuthugging of Manny has blinded you of the truth. The Manny fans that co-sign your bullshit is just as sad as you. Keep making excuse for Manny you guys are so good at it.

List how many Lineal Championships that Manny won 206?? lol.