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I'm black and I have nothing against mexicans or any other race period. I am hella cool with the mexicans that work at my job and they're hella cool with me. And I find mexican/hispanic women very, very attractive.
With that being said.... I've experienced racism from mexicans when I go to certain taquria's (sp) in my area. This one girl took our order and then served everybody their food first that came in after us. We were waiting hella long and other people were coming in after us ordering their food and getting theirs first.... And then my girl is mixed (with hispanic/black) and she's bilingual but since she's mixed the mexican girls don't know she speaks spanish (because she talks black). So they will talk about her right in front of her face in spanish, not knowing she's understanding everything that they're saying. She heard a few of the girls talking about "I don't know why they do their hair like that" "I wonder what race is she". And another time I was walking towards the bathroom and I look in the mirror and this little mexican dude was mugging me hella hard. He didn't know I could see him.... I mean he was mugging me like I had did something to him or his family. I was solo and he was with 2 of his friend. I wanted to take him outside and smash him. If he was solo he wouldn't have been looking at me like that.
One time I went to visit my uncle in Vacaville (doing 25 with the L). While I was waiting for him to come out, this little mexican inmate mugged me pretty hard. Again, I was ready to smash him but I was there visiting my uncle and I didn't want to get kicked out. Vacaville is a long drive from here... I told my homeboy (a B-dog that has been in the pen) what happened and my homeboy said he was probably a southerner. Up here the norte's are cool with the blacks (that are not crips).
With that being said.... I've experienced racism from mexicans when I go to certain taquria's (sp) in my area. This one girl took our order and then served everybody their food first that came in after us. We were waiting hella long and other people were coming in after us ordering their food and getting theirs first.... And then my girl is mixed (with hispanic/black) and she's bilingual but since she's mixed the mexican girls don't know she speaks spanish (because she talks black). So they will talk about her right in front of her face in spanish, not knowing she's understanding everything that they're saying. She heard a few of the girls talking about "I don't know why they do their hair like that" "I wonder what race is she". And another time I was walking towards the bathroom and I look in the mirror and this little mexican dude was mugging me hella hard. He didn't know I could see him.... I mean he was mugging me like I had did something to him or his family. I was solo and he was with 2 of his friend. I wanted to take him outside and smash him. If he was solo he wouldn't have been looking at me like that.
One time I went to visit my uncle in Vacaville (doing 25 with the L). While I was waiting for him to come out, this little mexican inmate mugged me pretty hard. Again, I was ready to smash him but I was there visiting my uncle and I didn't want to get kicked out. Vacaville is a long drive from here... I told my homeboy (a B-dog that has been in the pen) what happened and my homeboy said he was probably a southerner. Up here the norte's are cool with the blacks (that are not crips).
so many squares and suckas stating their opinions in here.. its funny
GANG MEMBERS DONT HAVE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT U FUCKIN LAMES.
gang bangers can rob, kill, sell dope but cant be racist or prejudice? get the fuck outta here wit that bullshit and snap back to reality.
why the fake ass nortes on here actin like blacks and northerners hold hands in streets and the pen??
and tony u need to go to church, wont catch to many mean muggs in there
GANG MEMBERS DONT HAVE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT U FUCKIN LAMES.
gang bangers can rob, kill, sell dope but cant be racist or prejudice? get the fuck outta here wit that bullshit and snap back to reality.
why the fake ass nortes on here actin like blacks and northerners hold hands in streets and the pen??
and tony u need to go to church, wont catch to many mean muggs in there
its bullshit how this story made big news,but when its raza,its just another dead mexican..i dont remember the 3 innocent people getting killed in S l.a. including a 10 year old boy,gunned down by blacks with a'ks making big news ,and this was before all this shit was going down..the media was quik to say it wasnt racial,its just 3 dead mexicans,they probably had it coming..it was only a matter of time before this shit got to were its at today..
Funeral Service Held For Three Killed In South L.A. ShootingMonday, July 10, 2006 | 1:46 PMLos Angeles, July 10, 2006 -- Tearful relatives and friends were joined by city leaders as they filed into a Los Angeles mortuary today to pay their final respects to three people gunned down in a drive-by attack last month.
About 4:30 p.m. June 30, two gunmen aimed AK-47 assault weapons at four victims near Central Avenue and 49th Street and fired more than three dozen rounds.
Killed were David Marcial, 10; his 22-year-old uncle, Larry Marcial, a father of two and aspiring singer of Mexican ballads; and a 17-year-old neighbor, Luis Cervantes.
David's brother, Sergio Marcial Jr., 12, was seriously injured but survived the attack.
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"It's sick and disgusting," family member Aliah Cadena told reporters outside Gorman Mortuary.
"You think one minute that you're safe in front of your own house, and you can't even step outside with your brother or any of your family and have a nice barbecue or a ride or anything without looking behind your back and worrying about some gang members with no regard for anybody else, and deciding to shoot innocent people," she said.
Maria Cadena, also a relative, said the past week has been frustrating for the family because the police have been unable to develop any leads in the case.
"We can't have any peace or rest knowing that these guys are still out there and the police still haven't been able to get any leads or be able to find these guys," she said. "It's very frustrating. We're just hoping and praying that these guys will somehow be revealed."
The Los Angeles City Council and county Board of Supervisors have approved rewards totaling $105,000 for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the killers in a case that has been dubbed the "49th Street Massacre." Police distributed about 5,000 fliers last week announcing the reward and asking people to come forward with information.
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Councilwoman Jan Perry attended the funeral service this morning.
"We have homicides in this city, less than we've had in the past but clearly more than is acceptable, but I think these are particularly tragic and we're working hard to find out who did it," Villaraigosa said.
Even though the victims are Latino and their assailants were described as black men about 18 to 20 years old, police said there is no evidence to show the shooting was race-related.
In addition to the two gunmen, police said there may have been a third suspect involved who drove the getaway car, which was described only as a large, dark-colored sedan.
About 4:30 p.m. June 30, two gunmen aimed AK-47 assault weapons at four victims near Central Avenue and 49th Street and fired more than three dozen rounds.
Killed were David Marcial, 10; his 22-year-old uncle, Larry Marcial, a father of two and aspiring singer of Mexican ballads; and a 17-year-old neighbor, Luis Cervantes.
David's brother, Sergio Marcial Jr., 12, was seriously injured but survived the attack.
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"It's sick and disgusting," family member Aliah Cadena told reporters outside Gorman Mortuary.
"You think one minute that you're safe in front of your own house, and you can't even step outside with your brother or any of your family and have a nice barbecue or a ride or anything without looking behind your back and worrying about some gang members with no regard for anybody else, and deciding to shoot innocent people," she said.
Maria Cadena, also a relative, said the past week has been frustrating for the family because the police have been unable to develop any leads in the case.
"We can't have any peace or rest knowing that these guys are still out there and the police still haven't been able to get any leads or be able to find these guys," she said. "It's very frustrating. We're just hoping and praying that these guys will somehow be revealed."
The Los Angeles City Council and county Board of Supervisors have approved rewards totaling $105,000 for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the killers in a case that has been dubbed the "49th Street Massacre." Police distributed about 5,000 fliers last week announcing the reward and asking people to come forward with information.
Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Councilwoman Jan Perry attended the funeral service this morning.
"We have homicides in this city, less than we've had in the past but clearly more than is acceptable, but I think these are particularly tragic and we're working hard to find out who did it," Villaraigosa said.
Even though the victims are Latino and their assailants were described as black men about 18 to 20 years old, police said there is no evidence to show the shooting was race-related.
In addition to the two gunmen, police said there may have been a third suspect involved who drove the getaway car, which was described only as a large, dark-colored sedan.
We are all in the same boat floatin through shit water trying to get to that aquafina..
Its funny cuz I have never met a black person in my travels that I feel uncomfortable around.. But I gotta say over 75% of homies that are mexican say" there is something about those fools I don't trust".. People fear what they don't know or what were taught. Luckily I had a father/mother that never was weird or acted different around black folks. So I was raised without the old racism that families usually passed on.
Im mean how could u hate blacks when willie mays is your favorite player?
How u gonna hate asians when bruce lee is a martial arts hero of yours?
Hate whites when hulk hogan is white ass hell?
U can like what they do? but not who they are? They get a pass becuz they entertain? Na we are all people period. Get passed that and we as a whole can move foward.
Sterotypes are funny and all but if u apply them to every person u meet u probably have no real friends or people u trust....
Just my 2 cents
Its funny cuz I have never met a black person in my travels that I feel uncomfortable around.. But I gotta say over 75% of homies that are mexican say" there is something about those fools I don't trust".. People fear what they don't know or what were taught. Luckily I had a father/mother that never was weird or acted different around black folks. So I was raised without the old racism that families usually passed on.
Im mean how could u hate blacks when willie mays is your favorite player?
How u gonna hate asians when bruce lee is a martial arts hero of yours?
Hate whites when hulk hogan is white ass hell?
U can like what they do? but not who they are? They get a pass becuz they entertain? Na we are all people period. Get passed that and we as a whole can move foward.
Sterotypes are funny and all but if u apply them to every person u meet u probably have no real friends or people u trust....
Just my 2 cents
Article From L.A. Times
As the story goes, the East Coast Crips robbed a Florencia 13 drug connection of a large quantity of dope nearly a decade ago. Since then, the tale of how a black street gang ripped off a Latino rival has taken on mythic proportions.
But to this day police are uncertain if the fabled heist ever occurred.
"You hear so many different variations of this crime," said Terry Burgin, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective. "Who knows what really happened? [But] the effects are tremendous."
Over the years, the two rival gangs have battled over control of the drug trade in Florence-Firestone, an unincorporated neighborhood north of Watts.
The feud has escalated into what many residents call a race war.
It used to be that innocent bystanders were not targeted, said Chris Le Grande, pastor of Great Hope Fellowship in Faith, one of Florence-Firestone's largest black churches. "Now it's deliberate. 'I'm deliberately shooting you because of your color.' "
On Tuesday, the U.S. attorney's office announced a sweeping indictment against more than 60 members of Florencia 13, accusing the Latino gang of waging a violent campaign to drive out African American rivals. Once primarily black, the working class community of 60,000 today is mostly Latino.
But some say that's only part of the truth. The war has two sides, said Robert Ramirez, a Florencia 13 gang member.
"I'm not going to say we're angels, but it's 50-50," he said, as fellow gang members sprayed walls with Florencia graffiti. " 'Any black, shoot on sight?' -- it's not true. Nobody likes a racist person."
The neighborhood saw 41 homicides in 2005, surpassing the homicide rate in some of the nation's most dangerous big cities, authorities said. About half of those killed had no gang affiliation.
Homicides dropped to 19 last year after a major law enforcement crackdown that led to 230 felony arrests and the seizure of 130 weapons. But the level of violence remains high.
Authorities attribute the neighborhood's gang troubles in large part to the huge demographic shift that occurred in this economically depressed community over the last 20 years, tipping the balance of power from black to Latino and turning it into a tinderbox of racial tensions.
That kind of demographic shift has occurred in many parts of Southern California, but Florence-Firestone is one of the places where it has turned violent. The violence threatens an economic revival that has begun to revitalize the neighborhood.
Mexican Mafia strategy
For years, the two rival gangs resisted outside pressures to go to war, according to those active in Florencia in the 1990s.
Like many black and Latino gangs, they ignored each other during the worst gang years of the late '80s and early '90s. Instead, they focused on attacking rivals of their own race.
But during the mid-'90s, the Mexican Mafia prison gang began directing Latino gangs to stop fighting each other, to "tax" drug dealers and to push blacks from their neighborhoods, according to numerous gang members and law enforcement officers.
Florencia, in particular, had warred for years with 38th Street, a Latino gang to the north.
But under the new rules, Florencia was forced to get along with rival Latino gangs and once even played a pickup football game with 38th Street, said one Florencia gang member who requested anonymity out of fear for his safety.
The Mexican Mafia "didn't understand how it worked," he said. "I hate 38th Street. I didn't have no problem with the guys from East Coast because I grew up with them. It's kind of hard to say, 'Now I'm going to. . . kill this black guy just because he's black.' But that's how they wanted to do it."
In 1996 tensions erupted when members of a gang associated with East Coast Crips, known as the 6-5 Hustlers, killed a Florencia member.
After some retaliation, the gangs held a peace summit at Parmelee Elementary School one night, and that "kind of squashed everything," the gang member said.
But the fighting resumed when word, perhaps mythical, spread about the East Coast Crips' drug rip-off of Florencia 13.
Race, gang rivalry and drugs have become impossibly tangled as motives in killings and assaults in the neighborhood, authorities and residents say. The result: a gangland version of racial profiling.
"They just see a young man of the opposite race and they shoot," said Olivia Rosales, a former hate-crime prosecutor, who prosecuted all the East Coast-Florencia murder cases for the last two years. "They don't stop to question whether or not they are a member of the gang."
Of the 20 cases she prosecuted, said Rosales, who now runs the district attorney's Whittier office, "most of the victims have not been members of the rival gang."
Demetrius Perry, 22, was shot to death by Latinos yelling a gang epithet as he played basketball in January at Drew Middle School, witnesses said.
"We used to kick it with" Latinos, said Perry's father, Benny, who is black and grew up in the area. "Now you constantly hear about it: This is their land first and they've come to take it back."
Timothy Slack, who lives a few blocks from Great Hope Fellowship church, said Latino gang members often drive by shooting at blacks. He doesn't allow his kids to go to the store and he never uses alleys anymore.
Slack grew up in Florence-Firestone when it was mostly black and had few Latinos.
Back then, "they were timid," he said. "But as their numbers started getting bigger, then they started trying to be tougher. They started thinking they could demand stuff."
But non-gang-affiliated Latinos have also been killed.
In 2005, Alejandro Barrales was on his way to work at his family's restaurant when he was shot to death allegedly by Crips while in his car at a stop sign.
Gabino Lopez, 52, was killed that year while walking to a mini-market for a beer after work. A youth who reportedly wanted to join the Crips is charged with his killing.
In the neighborhood where Lopez was killed, people no longer sit outside in the evening, said his daughter, Mayra Lopez.
"You never know when you're going to be the next target," she said.
Economy looking up
All of this comes as Florence-Firestone is beginning to rebound from a prolonged economic depression that began with the Watts riots in 1965. For years after, say longtime residents, no new housing or commercial development was built.
Today, a new shopping center is going in at Alameda Street and Florence Avenue, and rows of town houses are rising on Gage Avenue.
But "the gang war puts a damper on everything that you do here," said Joe Titus, 79, who was born in Florence-Firestone and volunteers with several community organizations. "You don't want to go out at night."
Fewer people ride bikes; fewer children play outside after school. Movable basketball stanchions, once ubiquitous in driveways, are gone.
Irv Sitkoff, a local pharmacist, said people of one race complain if his employees attend faster to people of the other race.
"You've got to very careful," he said. "Before, we didn't think about it."
Sitkoff said his pharmacy has sold grim supplies to customers because of neighborhood violence: more colostomy bags, for example.
One Latino mother bought antidepressant medication from him for many months after her son, an innocent bystander, was killed by a black gang, Sitkoff said.
"She didn't talk directly about it, but there's fear," he said. "How could there not be? I have black families who are the same way."
Meanwhile, the exodus continues. More black families depart every year for Palmdale or the Inland Empire. Some cliques of the East Coast Crips in the neighborhood don't exist any more.
One former black gang member said he hasn't left Florence-Firestone because he still has family and property there.
But "it's going to come a time when everybody's going to have to leave," he said. "Everybody's going to have to go."
As the story goes, the East Coast Crips robbed a Florencia 13 drug connection of a large quantity of dope nearly a decade ago. Since then, the tale of how a black street gang ripped off a Latino rival has taken on mythic proportions.
But to this day police are uncertain if the fabled heist ever occurred.
"You hear so many different variations of this crime," said Terry Burgin, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective. "Who knows what really happened? [But] the effects are tremendous."
Over the years, the two rival gangs have battled over control of the drug trade in Florence-Firestone, an unincorporated neighborhood north of Watts.
The feud has escalated into what many residents call a race war.
It used to be that innocent bystanders were not targeted, said Chris Le Grande, pastor of Great Hope Fellowship in Faith, one of Florence-Firestone's largest black churches. "Now it's deliberate. 'I'm deliberately shooting you because of your color.' "
On Tuesday, the U.S. attorney's office announced a sweeping indictment against more than 60 members of Florencia 13, accusing the Latino gang of waging a violent campaign to drive out African American rivals. Once primarily black, the working class community of 60,000 today is mostly Latino.
But some say that's only part of the truth. The war has two sides, said Robert Ramirez, a Florencia 13 gang member.
"I'm not going to say we're angels, but it's 50-50," he said, as fellow gang members sprayed walls with Florencia graffiti. " 'Any black, shoot on sight?' -- it's not true. Nobody likes a racist person."
The neighborhood saw 41 homicides in 2005, surpassing the homicide rate in some of the nation's most dangerous big cities, authorities said. About half of those killed had no gang affiliation.
Homicides dropped to 19 last year after a major law enforcement crackdown that led to 230 felony arrests and the seizure of 130 weapons. But the level of violence remains high.
Authorities attribute the neighborhood's gang troubles in large part to the huge demographic shift that occurred in this economically depressed community over the last 20 years, tipping the balance of power from black to Latino and turning it into a tinderbox of racial tensions.
That kind of demographic shift has occurred in many parts of Southern California, but Florence-Firestone is one of the places where it has turned violent. The violence threatens an economic revival that has begun to revitalize the neighborhood.
Mexican Mafia strategy
For years, the two rival gangs resisted outside pressures to go to war, according to those active in Florencia in the 1990s.
Like many black and Latino gangs, they ignored each other during the worst gang years of the late '80s and early '90s. Instead, they focused on attacking rivals of their own race.
But during the mid-'90s, the Mexican Mafia prison gang began directing Latino gangs to stop fighting each other, to "tax" drug dealers and to push blacks from their neighborhoods, according to numerous gang members and law enforcement officers.
Florencia, in particular, had warred for years with 38th Street, a Latino gang to the north.
But under the new rules, Florencia was forced to get along with rival Latino gangs and once even played a pickup football game with 38th Street, said one Florencia gang member who requested anonymity out of fear for his safety.
The Mexican Mafia "didn't understand how it worked," he said. "I hate 38th Street. I didn't have no problem with the guys from East Coast because I grew up with them. It's kind of hard to say, 'Now I'm going to. . . kill this black guy just because he's black.' But that's how they wanted to do it."
In 1996 tensions erupted when members of a gang associated with East Coast Crips, known as the 6-5 Hustlers, killed a Florencia member.
After some retaliation, the gangs held a peace summit at Parmelee Elementary School one night, and that "kind of squashed everything," the gang member said.
But the fighting resumed when word, perhaps mythical, spread about the East Coast Crips' drug rip-off of Florencia 13.
Race, gang rivalry and drugs have become impossibly tangled as motives in killings and assaults in the neighborhood, authorities and residents say. The result: a gangland version of racial profiling.
"They just see a young man of the opposite race and they shoot," said Olivia Rosales, a former hate-crime prosecutor, who prosecuted all the East Coast-Florencia murder cases for the last two years. "They don't stop to question whether or not they are a member of the gang."
Of the 20 cases she prosecuted, said Rosales, who now runs the district attorney's Whittier office, "most of the victims have not been members of the rival gang."
Demetrius Perry, 22, was shot to death by Latinos yelling a gang epithet as he played basketball in January at Drew Middle School, witnesses said.
"We used to kick it with" Latinos, said Perry's father, Benny, who is black and grew up in the area. "Now you constantly hear about it: This is their land first and they've come to take it back."
Timothy Slack, who lives a few blocks from Great Hope Fellowship church, said Latino gang members often drive by shooting at blacks. He doesn't allow his kids to go to the store and he never uses alleys anymore.
Slack grew up in Florence-Firestone when it was mostly black and had few Latinos.
Back then, "they were timid," he said. "But as their numbers started getting bigger, then they started trying to be tougher. They started thinking they could demand stuff."
But non-gang-affiliated Latinos have also been killed.
In 2005, Alejandro Barrales was on his way to work at his family's restaurant when he was shot to death allegedly by Crips while in his car at a stop sign.
Gabino Lopez, 52, was killed that year while walking to a mini-market for a beer after work. A youth who reportedly wanted to join the Crips is charged with his killing.
In the neighborhood where Lopez was killed, people no longer sit outside in the evening, said his daughter, Mayra Lopez.
"You never know when you're going to be the next target," she said.
Economy looking up
All of this comes as Florence-Firestone is beginning to rebound from a prolonged economic depression that began with the Watts riots in 1965. For years after, say longtime residents, no new housing or commercial development was built.
Today, a new shopping center is going in at Alameda Street and Florence Avenue, and rows of town houses are rising on Gage Avenue.
But "the gang war puts a damper on everything that you do here," said Joe Titus, 79, who was born in Florence-Firestone and volunteers with several community organizations. "You don't want to go out at night."
Fewer people ride bikes; fewer children play outside after school. Movable basketball stanchions, once ubiquitous in driveways, are gone.
Irv Sitkoff, a local pharmacist, said people of one race complain if his employees attend faster to people of the other race.
"You've got to very careful," he said. "Before, we didn't think about it."
Sitkoff said his pharmacy has sold grim supplies to customers because of neighborhood violence: more colostomy bags, for example.
One Latino mother bought antidepressant medication from him for many months after her son, an innocent bystander, was killed by a black gang, Sitkoff said.
"She didn't talk directly about it, but there's fear," he said. "How could there not be? I have black families who are the same way."
Meanwhile, the exodus continues. More black families depart every year for Palmdale or the Inland Empire. Some cliques of the East Coast Crips in the neighborhood don't exist any more.
One former black gang member said he hasn't left Florence-Firestone because he still has family and property there.
But "it's going to come a time when everybody's going to have to leave," he said. "Everybody's going to have to go."
theres no fuckin evidence to say that was real
as far as i know the black people were chillin right around the way,
when that little mexican kid probably threaten their lives,
sure he's looks like a little kid, but he probably had a big ass gun or something
then the blacks acted very responsible and defended themselves
when has it ever been a crime to defend yourself
im sorry but that story is straight bullshiet
as far as i know the black people were chillin right around the way,
when that little mexican kid probably threaten their lives,
sure he's looks like a little kid, but he probably had a big ass gun or something
then the blacks acted very responsible and defended themselves
when has it ever been a crime to defend yourself
im sorry but that story is straight bullshiet