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^^Straw man..
Anyways.. Even though I've already made you look like a complete buffoon, we are side-stepping the main point of contention here which indicates the miraculous nature of the prophet's revelation..
http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
Anyways.. Even though I've already made you look like a complete buffoon, we are side-stepping the main point of contention here which indicates the miraculous nature of the prophet's revelation..
http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm
What was the purpose of your last post??
That I don't understand...
You have hardly make me look like a buffoon, if anything you proved for the n-th time your IQ is hardly higher than 80
They were right to think the Prophet is mad (check the Belief and biology thread I made some time ago)
They actually did a crime against humanity not putting him in the asylum early and preventing all the madness that followed
That I don't understand...
You have hardly make me look like a buffoon, if anything you proved for the n-th time your IQ is hardly higher than 80
They were right to think the Prophet is mad (check the Belief and biology thread I made some time ago)
They actually did a crime against humanity not putting him in the asylum early and preventing all the madness that followed
^That seems to be a trend of yours.. Not understanding things..
What do you know about "IQ"? Hahaha! Refer to my sig please, thank you. LMAO!!
^^Why was this a predictable response? Seeing as how I thought of you saying it before you thought about saying it, or actually said it, demonstrates the vast difference between me and you as far as mental processing. It took you a while to think of something this witty, yet, unfortunately for you, it was also predictable.
^^Rubbish..
What do you know about "IQ"? Hahaha! Refer to my sig please, thank you. LMAO!!
^^Why was this a predictable response? Seeing as how I thought of you saying it before you thought about saying it, or actually said it, demonstrates the vast difference between me and you as far as mental processing. It took you a while to think of something this witty, yet, unfortunately for you, it was also predictable.
^^Rubbish..
Just noticed this..
They are not "as circular as a true sphere", yet in relative terms it is still flattened like that of the earth, especially when we roll back the clock. The earth is slightly stretched at the equator, but guess what? So is an egg and all eggs don't conform to a specified ratio, so it is no way inaccurate to make this comparison since they share these features in common.
Also, again:
But as the ice caps have melted, relieving some pressure, the Earth has been getting rounder, until now. - CNN.com ("Mother Earth Getting Fatter")
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...08/ltm.07.html
Rolling back the clock to the point of formation or creation, what ever terms you'd like to apply, the earth was even more flattened at the poles than it is today and resembled more so the type of extreme cases of the select images of eggs you so conveniently posted.
The earth is changing shape, reflecting the variations seen in different kinds of eggs.
More sources attesting to this fact:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/689.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/01/earth.pumpkin/
http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/outreach/histlandsat.html
http://novan.com/earth.htm
Take heed:
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape, probably even having a "Saturn type ring" orbiting around it. - Novan.com
An egg is an oblate spheroid, and so is the earth. Even more so in the past. Now let's go back to the relevant verse.
“And we have made the earth egg shaped”. [Al-Qur’an 79:30]
^No matter which way you twist it or what you believe, the earth wasn't made or "formed" when the Qu'ran was written and it should be obvious as the clause is in past tense, recalling earth's creation.
One more time:
This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape - Novan.com
^^Perfect harmony..............
So is that of a relatively less ovoid type of egg, like the ones represented in the pictures provided in the initial link posted. Besides the point though, see above..
I also just noticed something G that I didn't address..
^I initially only pointed out 1 error in your logic here, but there is something even more hideous.
1. You assume for what ever doped-up reason that the Quranic verse refers to a point in time coinciding when the book was written and not during earth's creation.
2. You some how infer from this statement of the earth "getting rounder" that somehow it was more round in the past, when the exact opposite is true. Listen G, if the earth has been getting increasingly round, then by reverse process it would have been more oval 1400 years ago in the past when the book was written (even if only slightly), not more round!
You are incredibly stupid, and this has to be one of your biggest blunders, but definitely not your first or last.:dead:
They are not "as circular as a true sphere", yet in relative terms it is still flattened like that of the earth, especially when we roll back the clock. The earth is slightly stretched at the equator, but guess what? So is an egg and all eggs don't conform to a specified ratio, so it is no way inaccurate to make this comparison since they share these features in common.
Also, again:
But as the ice caps have melted, relieving some pressure, the Earth has been getting rounder, until now. - CNN.com ("Mother Earth Getting Fatter")
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...08/ltm.07.html
Rolling back the clock to the point of formation or creation, what ever terms you'd like to apply, the earth was even more flattened at the poles than it is today and resembled more so the type of extreme cases of the select images of eggs you so conveniently posted.
The earth is changing shape, reflecting the variations seen in different kinds of eggs.
More sources attesting to this fact:
http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF6/689.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/01/earth.pumpkin/
http://rockyweb.cr.usgs.gov/outreach/histlandsat.html
http://novan.com/earth.htm
Take heed:
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape, probably even having a "Saturn type ring" orbiting around it. - Novan.com
An egg is an oblate spheroid, and so is the earth. Even more so in the past. Now let's go back to the relevant verse.
“And we have made the earth egg shaped”. [Al-Qur’an 79:30]
^No matter which way you twist it or what you believe, the earth wasn't made or "formed" when the Qu'ran was written and it should be obvious as the clause is in past tense, recalling earth's creation.
One more time:
This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape - Novan.com
^^Perfect harmony..............
So is that of a relatively less ovoid type of egg, like the ones represented in the pictures provided in the initial link posted. Besides the point though, see above..
I also just noticed something G that I didn't address..
^I initially only pointed out 1 error in your logic here, but there is something even more hideous.
1. You assume for what ever doped-up reason that the Quranic verse refers to a point in time coinciding when the book was written and not during earth's creation.
2. You some how infer from this statement of the earth "getting rounder" that somehow it was more round in the past, when the exact opposite is true. Listen G, if the earth has been getting increasingly round, then by reverse process it would have been more oval 1400 years ago in the past when the book was written (even if only slightly), not more round!
You are incredibly stupid, and this has to be one of your biggest blunders, but definitely not your first or last.:dead:
somebody has to recommend this guy a good psychiatrist
1. How the fuck can you assume there was creation and use this as an argument? Religious dumbfucks' arguments don't count in a serious discussion
2. I made a mistake when I posted and corrected it about half an hour later, yet you keep citing the same thing which is hardly a fair debate tactic
3. The earth is getting rounder because the polar ice caps are melting. When the diameter was measured, the ice caps were the same size as in the middle ages, melting is a very recent trend if you don't know and I don't believe there was a developed civilization which could have done this around the time of the end of last Ice Age
The Earth has never been oval, for long periods of its history there was no Ice on it because the climate was warm and some of the glaciations were so big that they covered the whole planet so it was again round
There has never been a visible difference in the polar and equatorial diameters so you can call it an egg
Everything else is distorting facts, meaning of words and logic by lunatics like you
1. How the fuck can you assume there was creation and use this as an argument? Religious dumbfucks' arguments don't count in a serious discussion
2. I made a mistake when I posted and corrected it about half an hour later, yet you keep citing the same thing which is hardly a fair debate tactic
3. The earth is getting rounder because the polar ice caps are melting. When the diameter was measured, the ice caps were the same size as in the middle ages, melting is a very recent trend if you don't know and I don't believe there was a developed civilization which could have done this around the time of the end of last Ice Age
The Earth has never been oval, for long periods of its history there was no Ice on it because the climate was warm and some of the glaciations were so big that they covered the whole planet so it was again round
There has never been a visible difference in the polar and equatorial diameters so you can call it an egg
Everything else is distorting facts, meaning of words and logic by lunatics like you
Why are you posting things that has no relevance to your claims??
You don't believe the Earth is 4.5 billions year old but you cite articles where they say it
One of these is a test which doesn't tell me anything about the Earth being an egg??
Please, send this guy to the nearest psychiatrist, he needs help
Urgently
Or send him to a school for retards....
You don't believe the Earth is 4.5 billions year old but you cite articles where they say it
One of these is a test which doesn't tell me anything about the Earth being an egg??
Please, send this guy to the nearest psychiatrist, he needs help
Urgently
Or send him to a school for retards....
Some how this idiot still doesn't get the point, that is just amazing.:ermm: The most basic use of your common sense would have told you by way of inference of the context, since again, the entire theme of the book consists of a divine revelation from the said creator. The text in question grammatically alluded to a past tense predicate. I'm using the grammar for an argument, not the claim, wow! The claim in the verse refereed what they claimed to be past events of creation, yet you base your argument off the incompetent premise that they claimed creation to have been concurrent with that of the time the book was actually written. LMFAO!! You are inferior..
You didn't edit shit since I quoted you many hours later, stop trying to save face, pinhead. That was a gross error in logic and it took me to point it out to you. This right here is not gonna work..
This is in direct contrast to what I've shown you and your stubbornness blinds you to the effect that you shunning it and dedicating yourself to your own pseudo-science. Let's review the sources once more..
But as the ice caps have melted, relieving some pressure, the Earth has been getting rounder, until now. - CNN.com ("Mother Earth Getting Fatter")
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape, probably even having a "Saturn type ring" orbiting around it. - Novan.com
(CNN) -- The Earth's gravity field has bulged more in the middle in the past four years and scientists suspect that the same is true for the planet itself.
The observations, based on satellite measurements, reverse a trend at least two decades in the making in which the planet and its gravity field became progressively more round. - CNN.com
The planet is an oblate ellipsoid, and again, even more so in the past and pretty much an oval, same way that some postulate we may be able to describe our own universe.
Quote:
WMAP's full-sky map of the oldest light in the universe, the microwave background. Colors indicate warmer (red) and cooler (blue) spots. The oval shape is a projection to display the whole sky; similar to the way the globe of the earth can be represented as an oval. The shape does not represent the possible shape of the universe, which scientists have long thought to be nearly spherical.
Universe might be oval-shaped
And please don't be an unlearned troll and pay attention. The early condition of the earth had to do with a much higher rate of rotation, increasing the flattening effect, and not due to the polar ice caps.
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape. - Novan.com
^^The early earth was more oblate than round.. Your original research claims and twisting of data will receive no air time here.
More subjective reasoning that means absolutely nothing and I believe that it's apparent who is actually misrepresenting facts. I reiterate, the constant change in the earth's shape imitates that of the different kinds of variations that can be seen in eggs, excluding extreme cases.
What in the world are you talking about? I'm quite sure the earth is extremely old, the geological data is sound. I'm also not aware of any verse in the Qu'ran which says anything to the contrary.
It attests to earth's geometrical changes, in tandem with the other sources indicating that the earth was less round in the past.
^^This makes no sense, how many times must you appeal to ignorance in face-saving until we can all just admit how much of an imbecile you really are?
Wow, are you serious? You make the uneducated claim that an egg is not a spheroid, then immediately thereafter inform us that an egg is a prolate spheroid? And WHO needs to take a geometry class? Once more, eggs vary and some tend to be prolate and lean towards oblate shaped, depending on perspective, but again, refer to the relevant sources as similar variation has been indirectly observed for the earth through out its history, and turning an egg on its side mimics that of a flattened oblate. Also refer back to the model of the universe above for perspective.
^It must be miserable being you, lol.. Btw, are they spheroid are not? LOL! Dumbass..
Anyways:
(Beyer 1987, p. 131). [Concerning a Prolate Spheroid] Note that this is the conventional form in which the surface area of a prolate spheroid is written, although it is formally equivalent to the conventional form for the oblate spheroid via the identity. - Mathworld
^It is a shame that even when you try your damndest, you still end up exposing yourself as a feeble-minded failure in the end. Those were the technicalities..
These are the basics (egg facts):
- What shape is an egg shape?
^^Your subjective reasoning has failed you once more. I hope someday you learn to cope with your obvious mental deficiencies as you seem to get dumber and dumber with each post...
^Redundant..
You didn't edit shit since I quoted you many hours later, stop trying to save face, pinhead. That was a gross error in logic and it took me to point it out to you. This right here is not gonna work..
This is in direct contrast to what I've shown you and your stubbornness blinds you to the effect that you shunning it and dedicating yourself to your own pseudo-science. Let's review the sources once more..
But as the ice caps have melted, relieving some pressure, the Earth has been getting rounder, until now. - CNN.com ("Mother Earth Getting Fatter")
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape, probably even having a "Saturn type ring" orbiting around it. - Novan.com
(CNN) -- The Earth's gravity field has bulged more in the middle in the past four years and scientists suspect that the same is true for the planet itself.
The observations, based on satellite measurements, reverse a trend at least two decades in the making in which the planet and its gravity field became progressively more round. - CNN.com
The planet is an oblate ellipsoid, and again, even more so in the past and pretty much an oval, same way that some postulate we may be able to describe our own universe.
Quote:
WMAP's full-sky map of the oldest light in the universe, the microwave background. Colors indicate warmer (red) and cooler (blue) spots. The oval shape is a projection to display the whole sky; similar to the way the globe of the earth can be represented as an oval. The shape does not represent the possible shape of the universe, which scientists have long thought to be nearly spherical.
Universe might be oval-shaped
And please don't be an unlearned troll and pay attention. The early condition of the earth had to do with a much higher rate of rotation, increasing the flattening effect, and not due to the polar ice caps.
This rate of rotation would have exerted tremendous stress throughout the newly formed planet. If the rate of rotation has been slowing fairly constantly, over the ages, we can see that the earth was rotating very fast originally, for it to slow down to the present 24 hour rate it is today. What ever it was - its angular momentum was much faster and therefore its "centrifugal force" was tremendously strong when the planet was very young. This caused the young, fast spinning, Earth to have a much more pronounced oblate shape. - Novan.com
^^The early earth was more oblate than round.. Your original research claims and twisting of data will receive no air time here.
More subjective reasoning that means absolutely nothing and I believe that it's apparent who is actually misrepresenting facts. I reiterate, the constant change in the earth's shape imitates that of the different kinds of variations that can be seen in eggs, excluding extreme cases.
What in the world are you talking about? I'm quite sure the earth is extremely old, the geological data is sound. I'm also not aware of any verse in the Qu'ran which says anything to the contrary.
It attests to earth's geometrical changes, in tandem with the other sources indicating that the earth was less round in the past.
^^This makes no sense, how many times must you appeal to ignorance in face-saving until we can all just admit how much of an imbecile you really are?
ThaG said:
More signature material...
Most eggs are not spheroids, have you ever taken any real math class
An they are definitely not oblate spheroids, this is an oblate spheroid:
Most eggs are not spheroids, have you ever taken any real math class
An they are definitely not oblate spheroids, this is an oblate spheroid:
ThaG said:
eggs resemble a PROLATE spheroid, not an oblate one
You're a certified idiot...
You're a certified idiot...
^It must be miserable being you, lol.. Btw, are they spheroid are not? LOL! Dumbass..
Anyways:
(Beyer 1987, p. 131). [Concerning a Prolate Spheroid] Note that this is the conventional form in which the surface area of a prolate spheroid is written, although it is formally equivalent to the conventional form for the oblate spheroid via the identity. - Mathworld
^It is a shame that even when you try your damndest, you still end up exposing yourself as a feeble-minded failure in the end. Those were the technicalities..
These are the basics (egg facts):
- What shape is an egg shape?
^^Your subjective reasoning has failed you once more. I hope someday you learn to cope with your obvious mental deficiencies as you seem to get dumber and dumber with each post...
^Redundant..
LMAO for the 100th time
After I explained you the simple difference between an OBLATE SPHEROID and a PROLATE ONE....
Did the Prophet knew that there is universe out there??
I doubt it, BTW the shape of the universe, if there's any is a very controversial topic so you probably shouldn't try to jump from the shape of the Earth to that of the universe
After I explained you the simple difference between an OBLATE SPHEROID and a PROLATE ONE....
Did the Prophet knew that there is universe out there??
I doubt it, BTW the shape of the universe, if there's any is a very controversial topic so you probably shouldn't try to jump from the shape of the Earth to that of the universe
You said an egg isn't a spheroid, why would I listen to you? I've posted sources for every claim made. You on the other hand, have lied and distorted..
^^You avoided the point n case, and now you're using "controversy" as a convenience when the point was that they compared its shape to that of the earth, and it resembles a horizontal egg. You are a clown G..
This is exactly why you need to stop comparing me with Heresy.
^^You avoided the point n case, and now you're using "controversy" as a convenience when the point was that they compared its shape to that of the earth, and it resembles a horizontal egg. You are a clown G..
This is exactly why you need to stop comparing me with Heresy.
Why is the egg not a spheroid (as you claimed before you replaced the word with ellipsoid):
this is the equation of an ellipsoid body in Cartesian coordinates:
when a=b=c it is a shere
when a, b and c are different, it is an ellipsoid, (spheroid is when a=b, being oblate when c<b=c and prolate when c>b=c)
this the standard ellipse you have to rotate to make an egg:
in the typical case a, b and c are different and the rotational axis (the axis of symmetry for the ellipse) is the longest one
so it is a prolate ellipsoid or prolate spheroid in the best possible case which is different from the Earth which is a prolate one
please, stop wasting my time
this is the equation of an ellipsoid body in Cartesian coordinates:
when a=b=c it is a shere
when a, b and c are different, it is an ellipsoid, (spheroid is when a=b, being oblate when c<b=c and prolate when c>b=c)
this the standard ellipse you have to rotate to make an egg:
in the typical case a, b and c are different and the rotational axis (the axis of symmetry for the ellipse) is the longest one
so it is a prolate ellipsoid or prolate spheroid in the best possible case which is different from the Earth which is a prolate one
please, stop wasting my time
ThaG said:
Why is the egg not a spheroid (as you claimed before you replaced the word with ellipsoid):
this is the equation of an ellipsoid body in Cartesian coordinates:
when a=b=c it is a shere
when a, b and c are different, it is an ellipsoid, (spheroid is when a=b, being oblate when c<b=c and prolate when c>b=c)
this the standard ellipse you have to rotate to make an egg:
in the typical case a, b and c are different and the rotational axis (the axis of symmetry for the ellipse) is the longest one
so it is a prolate ellipsoid or prolate spheroid in the best possible case which is different from the Earth which is a prolate one
please, stop wasting my time
this is the equation of an ellipsoid body in Cartesian coordinates:
when a=b=c it is a shere
when a, b and c are different, it is an ellipsoid, (spheroid is when a=b, being oblate when c<b=c and prolate when c>b=c)
this the standard ellipse you have to rotate to make an egg:
in the typical case a, b and c are different and the rotational axis (the axis of symmetry for the ellipse) is the longest one
so it is a prolate ellipsoid or prolate spheroid in the best possible case which is different from the Earth which is a prolate one
please, stop wasting my time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsoid
^Wow, you're ignorant..