Islam

[Fucky McFuckerson]

^You two have said nothing and JLMACN especially, doesn't even make sense.

Weve said enough to get your attention and for you to respond to our "nothings"...

Again, critical thinking...:ermm:

 

[ThaG]

--sura 50, verses 9 to 11:

"We[68] sent down from the sky blessed water whereby We caused to grow gardens, grains for harvest, tall palm-trees with their spathes, piled one above the other-sustenance for (Our) servants. Therewith We gave (new) life to a dead land. So will be the emergence (from the tombs)."

--sura 23, verses 18 and 19:
"We sent down water from the sky in measure and lodged it in the ground. And We certainly are able to withdraw it. Therewith for you We gave rise to gardens of palm-trees and vineyards where for you are abundant fruits and of them you eat."

--sura 15, verse 22:
"We sent forth the winds that fecundate. We cause the water to descend from the sky. We provide you with the water-you (could) not be the guardians of its reserves."

There are two possible interpretations of this last verse. The fecundating winds may be taken to be the fertilizers of plants because they carry pollen. This may, however, be a figurative expression referring by analogy to the role the wind plays in the process whereby a non-raincarrying cloud is turned into one that produces a shower of rain. This role is often referred to, as in the following verses:

--sura 35, verse 9:
"God is the One Who sends forth the winds which raised up the clouds. We drive them to a dead land. Therewith We revive the ground after its death. So will be the Resurrection."

It should be noted how the style is descriptive in the first part of the verse, then passes without transition to a declaration from God. Such sudden changes in the form of the narration are very frequent in the Qur'an.

--sura 30, verse 48:
"God is the One Who sends forth the winds which raised up the clouds. He spreads them in the sky as He wills and breaks them into fragments. Then thou seest raindrops issuing from within them. He makes them reach such of His servants as He wills. And they are rejoicing."

--sura 7, verse 57:
"(God) is the One Who sends forth the winds like heralds of His Mercy. When they have carried the heavy-laden clouds, We drive them to a dead land. Then We cause water to descend and thereby bring forth fruits of every kind. Thus We will bring forth the dead. Maybe you will remember."

--sura 25, verses 48 and 49:
"(God) is the One Who sends forth the winds like heralds of His Mercy. We cause pure water to descend in order to revive a dead land with it and to supply with drink the multitude of cattle and human beings We have created."

--sura 45, verse 5:
". . . In the provision that God sends down from the sky and thereby He revives the ground after its death and in the change (of direction) of winds, there are Signs for people who are wise."

The provision made in this last verse is in the form of the water sent down from the sky, as the context shows. The accent is on the change of the winds that modify the rain cycle.

--sure 13, verse 17:
"(God) sends water down from the sky so that the rivers flow according to their measure. The torrent bears away an increasing foam."

-sura 67, verse 30, God commands the Prophet:
"Say. Do you see if your water were to be lost in the ground, who then can supply you with gushing water?"

-sura 39, verse 21:
"Hast thou not seen that God sent water down from the sky and led it through sources into the ground? Then He caused sown fields of different colors to grow."

--sura 36, verse 34:
"Therein We placed gardens of palm-trees and vineyards and We caused water springs to gush forth."

This is just ridiculous...

There is absolutely no water cycle described here, it is all Allah

Whoever wrote this was either a fraud or an idiot, probably both; we already know about those who post such things....

 

[imported_Sad Eyez_415]

Im not exactly sure what they mean "15 years his senior" (maybe someone can explain), but it would seem to me he married an older woman who had already been married, hence "widow".

5000

She was older than him. and he loved her most of all his wives.. thats why they say in islam if you marry more than one you have to treat them all as equal that includes in "love"

so basically.. you cant do it.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

G, ParkBoyz is too lazy to get around to getting into Islam. However, as soon as he drops a few courses, rearranges his work schedule a bit, and the final season of Frasier wraps up, the love of God will abundantly fill his heart, and he will destroy you on this issue.

 

[imported_Sad Eyez_415]

The round shape of the earth is a fact that verifies the preciseness of the Qur’anic expression yukawwir.

Allah says in the Holy Qur’an:

]خَلَقَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأََرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لأَجَلٍ مُسَمًّىً أَلاَ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ[

Meaning: He (yukawwir) rolls the night over the daytime, and He (yukawwir) rolls the daytime over the night. (Surah Az-Zumar – Verse No. 5)

The Arabic word ‘yukawwir’ meaning rolled over or conglobated has as its root kawwara, meaning to twist and wind, e.g. as for a turban. Thus, the verse refers to a spherical body whose rotation results in the alternation of the day and the night.

The verb ‘yukawwir’ also means: to conglobate. Nothing but a round body can be conglobated. It is worth mentioning that some classical interpreters of the Holy Qur’an such as Al-Baydawi and Ar-Razi concluded from the above-mentioned verse that the earth is global, even before the existence of the scientific proofs of such a fact.

Also, it is a well-known fact that the earth is not completely spherical; it is more of an oval. Modern science has verified that the ratio between the two axes of the earth decreases steadily. This may be an explanation of the Qur’anic phrase ‘diminishing it in its extremes.’

Allah says in the Holy Qur’an:

] أَفَلاَ يَرَوْنَ أَنَّا نَأْتِي الأَرْضَ نَنْقُصُهَا مِنْ أَطْرَافِهَا أَفَهُمُ الْغَالِبُونَ[

Meaning: Do they not then see that we come up to the earth, diminishing it in its extremes? (Surah Al-Anbiya’ – Verse No. 44)

]أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّا نَأْتِي الأَرْضَ نَنْقُصُهَا مِنْ أَطْرَافِهَا وَاللَّهُ يَحْكُمُ لاَ مُعَقِّبَ لِحُكْمِهِ وَهُوَ سَرِيعُ الْحِسَابِ[

Meaning: And have they not seen that We come up to the earth diminishing it in its extremities? And Allah judges; none reverses His judgment and he is swift at the reckoning. (Surah Ar-Ra`d – Verse No. 41)

www.islam-for-everyone.com

There is actually a globe (round) at al-azhar islamic university that is around 1,000 years old.

Thank you.

 

[ParkBoyz]

This is just ridiculous...

There is absolutely no water cycle described here, it is all Allah

Whoever wrote this was either a fraud or an idiot, probably both; we already know about those who post such things....

Taken for granted that you haven't read and are unable to interpret the Qu'ran, and that you conveniently omitted the Dr.'s commentary, and also taking notice that you have refuted nothing and merely have resorted to childish insults, I think that it is safe to say that the G is a spaced-out clown, stuck in his own irrelevant dimension, ineducable in all aspects and will never progress beyond his feeble and wretched state. Neither have you addressed the other suras and sources at all. Pathetic, but expected.


Fruitless argument.. It describes demonstrable aspects of the water cycle and your only response is, "since it attributes it to Allah, it is not scientific". Yet refuses to address how they knew what they knew or point out what falsehoods are contained therein. Troll..

 

[imported_Sad Eyez_415]

"Religion of Peace"

i agree that the ppl who follow in bin laden or any other anti-america regim is stupid.
but you have to remeber that bin laden and his allies praticed there OWN version of ISLAM to there foloowers..

i'm not going to try and sit her and quote things liek other ppl have.

but if you knew a lot about the REAL islam and Quran then read on what Bin Laden and his jack offs were practicing - you would see that he twisted the relgion and uses ISLAM as an excuse for his actions.

but then again you have all the right o be mad and want to blame every arab and islam ( if that is what in fact you do) because of idiots like bin laden.. i say you have the right to becuase cant nobody judge you or ur opinions... but

you cant be ignorant and try to push ppl into believing only you ... this goes for both sides....

 

[ParkBoyz]

^^Reason has no place on this board as it is filled with boundless stupidity..

 

[ThaG]

G, ParkBoyz is too lazy to get around to getting into Islam. However, as soon as he drops a few courses, rearranges his work schedule a bit, and the final season of Frasier wraps up, the love of God will abundantly fill his heart, and he will destroy you on this issue.

I'll be patiently waiting....

 

[ThaG]

^^Reason has no place on this board as it is filled with boundless stupidity..

co-sign

 

[ThaG]

Taken for granted that you haven't read and are unable to interpret the Qu'ran, and that you conveniently omitted the Dr.'s commentary, and also taking notice that you have refuted nothing and merely have resorted to childish insults, I think that it is safe to say that the G is a spaced-out clown, stuck in his own irrelevant dimension, ineducable in all aspects and will never progress beyond his feeble and wretched state. Neither have you addressed the other suras and sources at all. Pathetic, but expected.


Fruitless argument.. It describes demonstrable aspects of the water cycle and your only response is, "since it attributes it to Allah, it is not scientific". Yet refuses to address how they knew what they knew or point out what falsehoods are contained therein. Troll..

The problem is that it doesn't describe any cycle and the force behind every event is Allah

This is hardly in accordance with reality (Allah aside)

I second it: I didn't see any water cycle

 

[ThaG]

We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then from a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed ... and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes. - Sura 22:5

and:

(God) placed him as (a drop of) sperm (nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (alaqa); then out of that clot We made a (foetus) lump (mudghah), then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. - Sura 23:13-14

^I guess the prophet just guessed all of this by random chance, eh?

He didn't guess, this was what was known around that time

And it is wrong to say the least, I don't see anything remotely describing the actual process of development, there is no egg to begin with, I don't even expect epigenetics, Wnt, Fgf, PCP, TGFb and BMP signaling, Goosecoids, homoeobox genes etc, to be mentioned, that's too much

But at least include the egg, please...

 

[ThaG]

And we have made the earth egg shaped - Sura 79:30

And that's true???

Yeah, it's not a perfect sphere, but an egg???

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I like how they call sperm nutfah. haha

 

[ThaG]

maybe that's where "nut: comes from, who knows...

anyway, once again:

(God) placed him as (a drop of) sperm (nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (alaqa); then out of that clot We made a (foetus) lump (mudghah), then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. - Sura 23:13-14

Back in the days it was believed that the sperm is what carries all the inheritance and the female serves just as a carrier for the fetus, much later it was realized that there is actually fusion of two cells, one from the male and one from the female organism. Not only that, nobody knew that cells existed because the microscope wasn't invented until the 17th century when Hooke first observed plant cells and the cellular theory was not developed until the middle of the 19th century.

What the Qu'ran describes is not only wrong, it is actually a pretty accurate representation of the misconceptions of the time

Where is the "scientific truth" here???

 

[Hemp]

according to islamic science, not only is gravity nonexistant, but the rain supposedly comes from under the first sky, the same sky that muslims say nobody has reached or can reach in a lifetime.
Yes, they actually think that there is a limit(the sky) to outer space that space reaches, and they think that that sky is blue.
obviously they dont know anything about the illusion of light in SPACE appearing blue.

 

[ParkBoyz]

^^Oh shut up you unworthy peasant, you have been exposed more than once. Leave this up to the half-way intelligent people to try their hardest to refute.

 

[ThaG]

^^Oh shut up you unworthy peasant, you have been exposed more than once. Leave this up to the half-way intelligent people to try their hardest to refute.

I'm waiting for the half-way intelligent to try their hardest to refute me...

 

[ParkBoyz]

The problem is that it doesn't describe any cycle and the force behind every event is Allah

This is hardly in accordance with reality (Allah aside)

I second it: I didn't see any water cycle

Why do you keep picking on Allah? LOL.. What is of relevance is the content described. Again, Allah is behind all science and all things according to the Qu'ran, so your argument would apply to every claimed scientific revelation in it. It doesn't work like that, the point is not to prove God directly, but indirectly through these revelations. I don't even like the word "prove" tho, so to "support the case for"..

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, I'm not entirely convinced either that it describes the entire cycle which is why I was careful to say "aspects of" or "parts of", but these definitely describe processes of the said cycle that we take for granted today. Not strong enough to stand on its own, but it accumulatively adds to the case and isn't refutable. So...

He didn't guess, this was what was known around that time

And it is wrong to say the least, I don't see anything remotely describing the actual process of development, there is no egg to begin with, I don't even expect epigenetics, Wnt, Fgf, PCP, TGFb and BMP signaling, Goosecoids, homoeobox genes etc, to be mentioned, that's too much

But at least include the egg, please...

Why are you applying modern Jargon to Koranic Arabic? I mean, that makes so much sense. Plus, the egg is the house, it's redundant to mention it since we take for granted, even then, that half of our inheritance comes from the mother and sperm comes from the father. Also to assume that they simply knew all of this 1400 years ago with out explaining to me how, just doesn't sit well with any sound mind. This wasn't written in any other Arabic texts of the time, why the Qu'ran?

And that's true???

Yeah, it's not a perfect sphere, but an egg???

The egg referred to in Arabic is that of an Ostrich egg, which is shaped more or less just like the earth is, and the earth is not perfectly spherical smarty pants.

G, ParkBoyz is too lazy to get around to getting into Islam. However, as soon as he drops a few courses, rearranges his work schedule a bit, and the final season of Frasier wraps up, the love of God will abundantly fill his heart, and he will destroy you on this issue.

LOL.. I'll give you that, I actually laughed out loud. Maybe the funniest shit you've written in the 17 years of your miserable ass life.. Even tho you do not in anyway have me figured out and are way off, that was original. Open Forum material..

 

[ThaG]

Why do you keep picking on Allah? LOL.. What is of relevance is the content described. Again, Allah is behind all science and all things according to the Qu'ran, so your argument would apply to every claimed scientific revelation in it. It doesn't work like that, the point is not to prove God directly, but indirectly through these revelations. I don't even like the word "prove" tho, so to "support the case for"..

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, I'm not entirely convinced either that it describes the entire cycle which is why I was careful to say "aspects of" or "parts of", but these definitely describe processes of the said cycle that we take for granted today. Not strong enough to stand on its own, but it accumulatively adds to the case and isn't refutable. So...

I said: Allah aside, I don't see any cycle

End of discussion

Why are you applying modern Jargon to Koranic Arabic? I mean, that makes so much sense. Plus, the egg is the house, it's redundant to mention it since we take for granted, even then, that half of our inheritance comes from the mother and sperm comes from the father. Also to assume that they simply knew all of this 1400 years ago with out explaining to me how, just doesn't sit well with any sound mind. This wasn't written in any other Arabic texts of the time, why the Qu'ran?

I don't want the Koran to use modern jargon, but I want it to at least mention the egg, which is hardly a modern word, and it doesn't, period.

The egg referred to in Arabic is that of an Ostrich egg, which is shaped more or less just like the earth is, and the earth is not perfectly spherical smarty pants.

an ostrich egg:

the earth:

..........