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once again FAITH COMES BY **HEARING**. one likeness,one mind, one voice,one spirit. when you grasp this concept you will know the truth.
define hearing. Perhaps your idea of hearing is my idea of mind. Stop trying to find fault with my understanding.
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I AM CONSTANTLY TYPING THAT ONE IS TO **NOT** LEAN ON HIS OWN UNDERSTANDING OR WISDOM. ONE IS TO ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH AND DIRECT. THIS IS ****NOT**** THE VERSION OF HERESY OR HIS INTERPRETATION. ARE YOU BLIND? CAN YOU READ? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?
Perhaps my understanding is the teaching of the holy spirit. Satan knows nothing of understanding. Of course this is not the version of Heresy or his interpretation. (by the way, thats real big-headed of you to refer to yourself in the third person). Perhaps the holy spirit speaks to us differently. Perhaps you should broaden your perspective. Perhaps what you think you know is maybe only half of what is. Maybe not even that much. Just suggestions.
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WHEN SHATAN TEMPTED EVE DIDNT HE NIX TRUTH AND LIE? NO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT INTO ***YOUR*** PERSPECTIVE YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO SHOW YOU. SO YOU MAY AGREE BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. YOU FOLLOW GNOSTIC TEACHINGS. I AM A FOLLOWER OF THE WAY. I SEEK THE PERSPECTIVE OF JAH. YOU SEEK THE PERSPECTIVE OF HERMES.
I seek perspectives. Not only of one, of many. Hermes is merely a single example. I am not bound by his concepts. I am not bound by your concepts. I see them all as they pass through me.
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YOU HOLD GNOSTIC TEACHINGS. I DONT. WE DO NOT AGREE. YOU AND I ARE NOT ON ONE ACCORD.
despite what your foolishness has persuaded you to think. We are on the same accord. Maya may be your illusion but it isn't mine. There is the truth of growth, and there is that which obstructs this growth. Whether I have gotten to your level or you have gotten to mine is all speculation. I will grow. You will grow. True understanding is a constant growth. To believe otherwise is like claiming, "I didn't kill this man!" while you are seen twisting a knife deep in his chest.
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HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN A BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF HELL, OR WHATS IN THE BIBLE (AS I STATED BEFORE ITS OUR SOURCE MATERIAL) IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND STUDIED? YOU CANNOT FORM AN ASSESSMENT WITHOUT LOOKING AT ALL THE EVIDENCE,DATA OR INFO. THATS NOT LOGICAL. IN FACT ITS BORDERLINE INSANITY.
I know the concept of hell from very very religious relatives. I have heard it from others as well. Merely a concept. Let go......
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1.WHO IS "WE"????? THE QUESTIONS DID NOT INVOLVE A "WE", AN "US" A "YOU" OR AN "I". THE QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO DEMONS AND YESHUA CASTING OUT DEMONS. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH "WE" (HUMANS). PLEASE STICK TO WHAT HAS BEEN TYPED
No. It had to do with hell. Do people burn in hell or demons? or both? I said we, not as you and me, but as humans who go to hell. Don't get caught up in words.
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2.HERE IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED YET WE HAVE NO ANSWER FROM YOU.PLEASE SHOW THE BOARD HOW HELL OR A PLACE OF TORMENT IS NOT ETERNAL OR LITERAL BASED ON JESUS CASTING OUT THE DEMONS.
I never was basing it on the bible. Define literal. Define eternal. create concepts. Let them go. Shut up. Learn. grow.......
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THE SPERSON WHO STARTED THE THREAD SPOKE ABOUT JUDAS AND HELL. WHERE IS JUDAS AND HELL FOUND? IN THE BIBLE. TO DEVIATE FROM THE BIBLE AS SOURCE MATERIAL IS ILLOGICAL.
In one sense you are right. But, I know that this man Judas didn't live in the pages of the bible. I was applying something foreign to the character. I can do that. If the bible is so clear and literal then why is there need for this thread in the first place? The bible should clearly state where Judas goes. Otherwise it does not have all the answers. It is only a guide. Don't mistake the map for the territory.
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THATS LIKE TROUBLE SHOOTING YOUR MAC BY READING PC WORLD. YES A MAC IS A COMPUTER AND PC WORLD DEALS WITH COMPUTERS BUT HOW MUCH MAC INFO WILL BE IN PC WORLD? YOU MAY FIND SOME THINGS IN PC WORLD THAT YOU CAN APPLY TO YOUR MAC. IN THE END YOU WILL NEED MACS FOR DUMMIES OR THE MAC MANUAL FOR TROUBLE SHOOTING. I HOPE YOU CAN GRASP THIS.
I understand what you are saying. I still disbelieve that there isn't a connection between our seemingly opposing views. In this case a PC is a MAC. They co-exist. underneath both they contain electrical circuits similar to each other. I would advise seeing what i just wrote prior as a hint at looking deeper.
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THATS MY POINT. YOU DONT HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING. ONCE I FOUND TRUTH AND TRUTH WAS SPOKEN TO ME EVERYTHING ELSE I KNEW CRUMBLED. WHEN YOU ARE A CHILD YOU THINK AS A CHILD. WHEN YOU ARE A MAN YOU THINK AS A MAN. APPLY THAT TO YOUR TEACHINGS AND WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED IS ***NOT*** OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT DOES NOT COME FROM JAH. IT IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH YESHUA.
perhaps you are right. I have yet to venture into all this. I am not going to sit and say you are wrong. I know better. It is very much like zen. Once you gain that level of enlightenment you have no need for the concepts which took you there. "It takes a finger to point at the moon. Once the moon is realized you may forget about the finger". This quote exactly symbolizes that which you just said, "ONCE I FOUND TRUTH AND TRUTH WAS SPOKEN TO ME EVERYTHING ELSE I KNEW CRUMBLED." And it goes to show that not all else is false. it can be applied.
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"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me"
how do you know what he meant by "me"? Do you believe he meant his physical being? If so, why? Prove it. How about being spiritual by seeing spirit? I know these excerpts. we go through Christ to be with God. Now let go of the word Christ. And go through that which is unnamed, untitled to get to God. Perhaps Christ dwells in other faiths by other names. Remember it is the spirit that is most important.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. I AM THE DOOR: BY ME IF ANY MAN ENTER IN, HE SHALL BE SAVED
^^^^ see above.
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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of God abideth on him.
How much do you know about the field "Christian Science"? They teach that, as Jesus was son, so are we. Not remembering the exact words, there is even an excerpt from the bible where Jesus states to the apostles that they will one day be like he is. The spirit of Christ indwells me. I have the door. I have the way. I do not need your approval. I already have God's. God over-rides you.
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In conclusion, if the bible is so clear on its concepts why are we discussing the topic of this thread? Why are there so many diiferent denominations of Christianity? How is it that words can be percieved different ways?
I want you to describe hell to me in your own words based on your understanding. Then, if you will, bacc it up with bible excerpts. I feel we can have a true conversation this way where we will both be happy and it will fit within the bible's interpretation.
once again FAITH COMES BY **HEARING**. one likeness,one mind, one voice,one spirit. when you grasp this concept you will know the truth.
define hearing. Perhaps your idea of hearing is my idea of mind. Stop trying to find fault with my understanding.
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I AM CONSTANTLY TYPING THAT ONE IS TO **NOT** LEAN ON HIS OWN UNDERSTANDING OR WISDOM. ONE IS TO ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO TEACH AND DIRECT. THIS IS ****NOT**** THE VERSION OF HERESY OR HIS INTERPRETATION. ARE YOU BLIND? CAN YOU READ? HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS?
Perhaps my understanding is the teaching of the holy spirit. Satan knows nothing of understanding. Of course this is not the version of Heresy or his interpretation. (by the way, thats real big-headed of you to refer to yourself in the third person). Perhaps the holy spirit speaks to us differently. Perhaps you should broaden your perspective. Perhaps what you think you know is maybe only half of what is. Maybe not even that much. Just suggestions.
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WHEN SHATAN TEMPTED EVE DIDNT HE NIX TRUTH AND LIE? NO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT INTO ***YOUR*** PERSPECTIVE YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT TO SHOW YOU. SO YOU MAY AGREE BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. YOU FOLLOW GNOSTIC TEACHINGS. I AM A FOLLOWER OF THE WAY. I SEEK THE PERSPECTIVE OF JAH. YOU SEEK THE PERSPECTIVE OF HERMES.
I seek perspectives. Not only of one, of many. Hermes is merely a single example. I am not bound by his concepts. I am not bound by your concepts. I see them all as they pass through me.
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YOU HOLD GNOSTIC TEACHINGS. I DONT. WE DO NOT AGREE. YOU AND I ARE NOT ON ONE ACCORD.
despite what your foolishness has persuaded you to think. We are on the same accord. Maya may be your illusion but it isn't mine. There is the truth of growth, and there is that which obstructs this growth. Whether I have gotten to your level or you have gotten to mine is all speculation. I will grow. You will grow. True understanding is a constant growth. To believe otherwise is like claiming, "I didn't kill this man!" while you are seen twisting a knife deep in his chest.
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HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN A BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF HELL, OR WHATS IN THE BIBLE (AS I STATED BEFORE ITS OUR SOURCE MATERIAL) IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND STUDIED? YOU CANNOT FORM AN ASSESSMENT WITHOUT LOOKING AT ALL THE EVIDENCE,DATA OR INFO. THATS NOT LOGICAL. IN FACT ITS BORDERLINE INSANITY.
I know the concept of hell from very very religious relatives. I have heard it from others as well. Merely a concept. Let go......
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1.WHO IS "WE"????? THE QUESTIONS DID NOT INVOLVE A "WE", AN "US" A "YOU" OR AN "I". THE QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO DEMONS AND YESHUA CASTING OUT DEMONS. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH "WE" (HUMANS). PLEASE STICK TO WHAT HAS BEEN TYPED
No. It had to do with hell. Do people burn in hell or demons? or both? I said we, not as you and me, but as humans who go to hell. Don't get caught up in words.
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2.HERE IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED YET WE HAVE NO ANSWER FROM YOU.PLEASE SHOW THE BOARD HOW HELL OR A PLACE OF TORMENT IS NOT ETERNAL OR LITERAL BASED ON JESUS CASTING OUT THE DEMONS.
I never was basing it on the bible. Define literal. Define eternal. create concepts. Let them go. Shut up. Learn. grow.......
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THE SPERSON WHO STARTED THE THREAD SPOKE ABOUT JUDAS AND HELL. WHERE IS JUDAS AND HELL FOUND? IN THE BIBLE. TO DEVIATE FROM THE BIBLE AS SOURCE MATERIAL IS ILLOGICAL.
In one sense you are right. But, I know that this man Judas didn't live in the pages of the bible. I was applying something foreign to the character. I can do that. If the bible is so clear and literal then why is there need for this thread in the first place? The bible should clearly state where Judas goes. Otherwise it does not have all the answers. It is only a guide. Don't mistake the map for the territory.
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THATS LIKE TROUBLE SHOOTING YOUR MAC BY READING PC WORLD. YES A MAC IS A COMPUTER AND PC WORLD DEALS WITH COMPUTERS BUT HOW MUCH MAC INFO WILL BE IN PC WORLD? YOU MAY FIND SOME THINGS IN PC WORLD THAT YOU CAN APPLY TO YOUR MAC. IN THE END YOU WILL NEED MACS FOR DUMMIES OR THE MAC MANUAL FOR TROUBLE SHOOTING. I HOPE YOU CAN GRASP THIS.
I understand what you are saying. I still disbelieve that there isn't a connection between our seemingly opposing views. In this case a PC is a MAC. They co-exist. underneath both they contain electrical circuits similar to each other. I would advise seeing what i just wrote prior as a hint at looking deeper.
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THATS MY POINT. YOU DONT HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING. ONCE I FOUND TRUTH AND TRUTH WAS SPOKEN TO ME EVERYTHING ELSE I KNEW CRUMBLED. WHEN YOU ARE A CHILD YOU THINK AS A CHILD. WHEN YOU ARE A MAN YOU THINK AS A MAN. APPLY THAT TO YOUR TEACHINGS AND WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED IS ***NOT*** OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT DOES NOT COME FROM JAH. IT IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH YESHUA.
perhaps you are right. I have yet to venture into all this. I am not going to sit and say you are wrong. I know better. It is very much like zen. Once you gain that level of enlightenment you have no need for the concepts which took you there. "It takes a finger to point at the moon. Once the moon is realized you may forget about the finger". This quote exactly symbolizes that which you just said, "ONCE I FOUND TRUTH AND TRUTH WAS SPOKEN TO ME EVERYTHING ELSE I KNEW CRUMBLED." And it goes to show that not all else is false. it can be applied.
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"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me"
how do you know what he meant by "me"? Do you believe he meant his physical being? If so, why? Prove it. How about being spiritual by seeing spirit? I know these excerpts. we go through Christ to be with God. Now let go of the word Christ. And go through that which is unnamed, untitled to get to God. Perhaps Christ dwells in other faiths by other names. Remember it is the spirit that is most important.
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. I AM THE DOOR: BY ME IF ANY MAN ENTER IN, HE SHALL BE SAVED
^^^^ see above.
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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of God abideth on him.
How much do you know about the field "Christian Science"? They teach that, as Jesus was son, so are we. Not remembering the exact words, there is even an excerpt from the bible where Jesus states to the apostles that they will one day be like he is. The spirit of Christ indwells me. I have the door. I have the way. I do not need your approval. I already have God's. God over-rides you.
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In conclusion, if the bible is so clear on its concepts why are we discussing the topic of this thread? Why are there so many diiferent denominations of Christianity? How is it that words can be percieved different ways?
I want you to describe hell to me in your own words based on your understanding. Then, if you will, bacc it up with bible excerpts. I feel we can have a true conversation this way where we will both be happy and it will fit within the bible's interpretation.
