IS JUDAS IN HELL OR WAS HE JUST A PAWN?
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PITTIFORTHEBITTI,
WHAT'S SO MUTHA-FUCCIN HOLY ABOUT THE TRINITY? THE WORD "TRINITY" ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE. THE TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE ADAPTED INTO CHRISTIANDOM. IT DOESN'T MAKE LOgICAL SENSE TO BEgIN WITH FOR (gOD) TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE AND SEND HIMSELF TO DIE. WHY gO THRU ALL THAT TROUBLE WHEN IN FACT, BEIN' THE ALMIgHTY, YOU CAN JUST MAKE THANgS HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY? WHY EVEN CALL JESUS THE MEDIATOR(BETWEEN MAN AND (gOD) )IF JESUS IS (gOD)? WHEN JESUS DID gET BAPTIZED HOW COULD HE SEE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE FORM OF A BIRD IF HE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? AND WHEN HE LOOKED UP IN THE SKY, TALKIN' TO THE FATHER, AFTER COMIN' OUT THE WATER, WHY DIDN'T HE LOOK AT HIS OWN REFLECTION INSTEAD OF LOOKIN' UP IN THE SKY? WHY WAS JESUS THANKIN' HIS FATHER AND PRAISIN' HIM IF HE COULD JUST PRAISED HIMSELF? AND WHEN THE DEVIL SNATCHED JESUS UP FOR 40 DAYS AND FOR 40 NIgHTS, HOW COULD SATAN EVEN OFFER OR TEMPT JESUS WITH KINgDOMS ON EARTH IF HE WAS gOD? DOESN'T SOUND RIgHT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON, AND THE FATHER ARE ONE IN SPIRIT AND MIND, BUT THEY ARE THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES ALTOgETHA. IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE FROM THE SAME SET, REPRESENTIN' THE SAME THANg, BUT WE TWO DIFFERENT MUTHA-FUKAS. WE NOT THE SAME MUTHA-FUKA EVEN THOUgH WE CLAIM THE SAME HOOD. FEEL ME?
WHAT'S SO MUTHA-FUCCIN HOLY ABOUT THE TRINITY? THE WORD "TRINITY" ISN'T EVEN IN THE BIBLE. THE TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE ADAPTED INTO CHRISTIANDOM. IT DOESN'T MAKE LOgICAL SENSE TO BEgIN WITH FOR (gOD) TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE AND SEND HIMSELF TO DIE. WHY gO THRU ALL THAT TROUBLE WHEN IN FACT, BEIN' THE ALMIgHTY, YOU CAN JUST MAKE THANgS HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY? WHY EVEN CALL JESUS THE MEDIATOR(BETWEEN MAN AND (gOD) )IF JESUS IS (gOD)? WHEN JESUS DID gET BAPTIZED HOW COULD HE SEE THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE FORM OF A BIRD IF HE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT? AND WHEN HE LOOKED UP IN THE SKY, TALKIN' TO THE FATHER, AFTER COMIN' OUT THE WATER, WHY DIDN'T HE LOOK AT HIS OWN REFLECTION INSTEAD OF LOOKIN' UP IN THE SKY? WHY WAS JESUS THANKIN' HIS FATHER AND PRAISIN' HIM IF HE COULD JUST PRAISED HIMSELF? AND WHEN THE DEVIL SNATCHED JESUS UP FOR 40 DAYS AND FOR 40 NIgHTS, HOW COULD SATAN EVEN OFFER OR TEMPT JESUS WITH KINgDOMS ON EARTH IF HE WAS gOD? DOESN'T SOUND RIgHT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SON, AND THE FATHER ARE ONE IN SPIRIT AND MIND, BUT THEY ARE THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES ALTOgETHA. IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE FROM THE SAME SET, REPRESENTIN' THE SAME THANg, BUT WE TWO DIFFERENT MUTHA-FUKAS. WE NOT THE SAME MUTHA-FUKA EVEN THOUgH WE CLAIM THE SAME HOOD. FEEL ME?
@EDJ-I know what your talking about, it's in LK 3:21-22: After everyone else had been baptized, Jesus himself was baptized. Then as he prayed, the sky opened up, and the Holy Spirit came down upon him in the form of a dove. A voice from heaven said, "You are my own dear Son, and I am pleased with you. Jesus isn't "The Holy Spirit", but the Holy Spirit is in him. Yeah the "Word" Trinity isn't in the Bible. But the Blessed Trinity formula is. Check this out, MT 28:18-19: Jesus came to them and said: I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth! Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to do everything I have told you. I will be with you always, even until the end of the world. Another one you can check out if you have time is Acts 2:1-4, it has to do with the Holy Spirit. See it's kinda like this:
Father=Creator
Son=Redeemer
Spirit=Sustainer
or
Father=Ruler
Son=Savior
Spirit=Lover
Do you beleive in Baptism?
Father=Creator
Son=Redeemer
Spirit=Sustainer
or
Father=Ruler
Son=Savior
Spirit=Lover
Do you beleive in Baptism?
@EDJ
I believe in Hell because that's is one of the main basics of christianity, if Hell doesn't exist then why would you be getting saved, why would we need salvation from nothing?
Also, I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as it is written. It wasn't made for ther human mind to understand, so to try to explain it would be useless.
I believe in Hell because that's is one of the main basics of christianity, if Hell doesn't exist then why would you be getting saved, why would we need salvation from nothing?
Also, I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as it is written. It wasn't made for ther human mind to understand, so to try to explain it would be useless.
SACRIFICE,
WHAT YOU MEAN BASIS? YOU MEAN MIS-TRANSLATION, AND SHIT YOU WAS TOLD AS A YOUNgSTA. IF HELL IS AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT THEN THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF. HELL SOUNDS LIKE A MEDIEVAL IDEA TO KEEP THE MASSES IN CHEK. BUT PEEP gAME: WE NEED SALVATION CAUSE WE ALREADY DOOMED. WE WERE MADE TO BE PERFECT(TO LIVE FOREVER) AND ADAM AND EVE FUCCED THAT UP. THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANITY TO BE SAVED FROM THAT IS FOR US TO HAVE A SACRIFICE AND THAT WAS JESUS CHRIST. BECAUSE OF HIM WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LIVE BECAUSE HE REDEEMED US FROM SIN. LIVIN' IN THIS HELL-HOLE CALLED EARTH, gETTIN' ALL OLD TO DIE N-E-WAY JUST AIN'T NOTHIN'. THAT'S FUCCED UP THAT WE ALL gOT TO DIE. IF YOU CALL THAT NOTHIN' THEN YOU AIN'T FROM THIS PLANET.
WHAT YOU MEAN BASIS? YOU MEAN MIS-TRANSLATION, AND SHIT YOU WAS TOLD AS A YOUNgSTA. IF HELL IS AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT THEN THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF. HELL SOUNDS LIKE A MEDIEVAL IDEA TO KEEP THE MASSES IN CHEK. BUT PEEP gAME: WE NEED SALVATION CAUSE WE ALREADY DOOMED. WE WERE MADE TO BE PERFECT(TO LIVE FOREVER) AND ADAM AND EVE FUCCED THAT UP. THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANITY TO BE SAVED FROM THAT IS FOR US TO HAVE A SACRIFICE AND THAT WAS JESUS CHRIST. BECAUSE OF HIM WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LIVE BECAUSE HE REDEEMED US FROM SIN. LIVIN' IN THIS HELL-HOLE CALLED EARTH, gETTIN' ALL OLD TO DIE N-E-WAY JUST AIN'T NOTHIN'. THAT'S FUCCED UP THAT WE ALL gOT TO DIE. IF YOU CALL THAT NOTHIN' THEN YOU AIN'T FROM THIS PLANET.
God
No one is damned to hell. Not only can God not sin, God knows nothing of sin. For if he did he would be imperfect. We know sin because we fail to see the unity back of all things, which is God. As far as Judas goes, God does not condemn him. Only he condemns himself. To imply that anyone is damned to hell is to imply that we are born saved or damned. How frustrating can that be to find out that you were born unwanted? It really makes no sense and God does not play favorites.
No one is damned to hell. Not only can God not sin, God knows nothing of sin. For if he did he would be imperfect. We know sin because we fail to see the unity back of all things, which is God. As far as Judas goes, God does not condemn him. Only he condemns himself. To imply that anyone is damned to hell is to imply that we are born saved or damned. How frustrating can that be to find out that you were born unwanted? It really makes no sense and God does not play favorites.
There is no ending for anyone, actually. God is the beginning and the end. And if God be eternal as we know he must be, then there can be no true end to any of our lives or our growth. We will eternally grow into God, yet we will never accomplish the entirety of God, of course. So, in fact, the old thought of heaven or hell being a "final place" is far from truth. To really understand how God works you must understand the paradox of things. As we all sit here and contemplate "God" we must realize by doing this we are seperating God from his creation. It is not wrong to do this, it is how we, as humans, learn. But, we must realize that God and his creation are one. So, when I state that Judas condemns himself, it is also true in this that God is condemning him. Because all is God. The difference is that Judas has the free will whether to be condemned or not. Judas created his own condition. He may have fell in a sense. But no one falls eternally.
YESHUA HA MASHIACH SPOKE OF A *LITERAL* PLACE OF TORMENT OVER 400 TIMES. FOR EVERY TIME HE MENTIONED HEAVEN A PLACE OF TORMENT WAS LISTED 13 TIMES.
PLACE OF TORMENT=PLACE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR THOSE WHO LEFT "THEIR STATE". BASICALLY IT *WASNT* MADE FOR MAN BUT MADE FOR REBELS.
HOWEVER. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE MAN WILL INHABIT HELL AND HELL WILL INHABIT THE LAKE OF FIRE REV 20:14-15.
EVEN JEWS HAVE A HELL. HOWEVER THE VERSION OF HELL THEY BELIEVE IN IS BASICALLY A PLACE OF "PURGING". YOU GO FOR 12 MONTHS AND AFTER THAT YOU PASS ON TO GAN EDEN.
AS FAR AS THE TRINITY IS CONCERNED:1 JOHN 5:7 FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
YOU HAVE ***many*** REFERENCES TO A "TRINITY" IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
I HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHERE JUDAS IS.
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PLACE OF TORMENT=PLACE THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR THOSE WHO LEFT "THEIR STATE". BASICALLY IT *WASNT* MADE FOR MAN BUT MADE FOR REBELS.
HOWEVER. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE MAN WILL INHABIT HELL AND HELL WILL INHABIT THE LAKE OF FIRE REV 20:14-15.
EVEN JEWS HAVE A HELL. HOWEVER THE VERSION OF HELL THEY BELIEVE IN IS BASICALLY A PLACE OF "PURGING". YOU GO FOR 12 MONTHS AND AFTER THAT YOU PASS ON TO GAN EDEN.
AS FAR AS THE TRINITY IS CONCERNED:1 JOHN 5:7 FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.
YOU HAVE ***many*** REFERENCES TO A "TRINITY" IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
I HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHERE JUDAS IS.
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This literal hell, is entirely impossible, unless you yourself can perceive of one who wishes to suffer eternally. An eternal suffering is an unreality. It doesn't matter what you have read, perhaps not everything is to be taken literally. Also, with time being relative, an "eternity" to one can seem very short to another. But, I'm not going to get into physics right now. to remain in a static place, and yes the idea of an eternal damnation implies a static condition, makes absolutely no sense. If a place of suffering does exist, first of all, it can not be taken as a literal "place" but must be conceived as a state of mind. Also, it can not be eternal. There is no place in the reality of God for an eternal suffering. And if God is all, as we know he is, then there can be nothing outside of him. Any reasoning beyond this is an illusion of seperation. You know of this illusion, it is the essence of "the fall". Adam and Eve fell due to their knowledge of good and evil. For that was the tree from which they ate. You seem to be a very spiritually inclined person, Heresy. One must look beyond the scriptures. There are deeper meanings.
@Heresy-I remember reading in some of these posts that you said your not baptized. Do you believe in baptism? As far as the bible goes, it pretty much gives me the impression that baptism is the only way to get into heaven. I mean it's the only way we know of. God is God, and I'm sure he can decide who he wants and who he doesn't want. But the only sure way we know of is baptism.
@pitty
baptism is a SYMBOLIC act. your SALVATION is based on YESHUA dying for your sins. not if you become baptized. MANY will cast out devils and heal the sick and be CAST away. baptism = two fold symbolism.
1.showing you are ALIVE (standing in the water) DYING (going down) DEAD (in the water) RESURRECTED (coming out of the water).
2.symbolic of CLEANSING and removal of sins.
have i wanted to be baptized? YES. has it happened yet? nope. will it happen? yep.
some people will NEVER become baptized and still make it to the kingdom.
@ n9newunsixx5150 you said
yet YESHUA SPOKE OF IT MORE TIMES THAN HE SPOKE OF HEAVEN.
IN MATT 13 YESHUA GIVES MANY PARABLES ABOUT HELL. WHEN ASKED TO ****NOT**** USE PARABLES BUT TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE REALLY MEANT HE BASICALLY TOLD THEM ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD AND THE GATHERING.
SO EITHER HE EXPLAINED A PARABLE WITH ANOTHER PARABLE (WHATS THE USE OF THAT???) OR HE GAVE THEM A LITERAL MEANING.
AS I STATED BEFORE *MAN* WAS **NOT** MADE FOR THE PLACE OF TORMENT. THIS PLACE OF TORMENT WAS NOT MADE FOR MAN. THIS PLACE OF TORMENT WAS MADE FOR THE REBELS.
NOW IF HELL IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL THAN WHY DID YESHUA STATE WHAT HE DID IN MATT 25:41?
NOW THE BIBLE *CLEARLY* STATES THAT MAN IS TO DIE (PHYSICAL DEATH) *ONCE* AND AFTER THAT BE *JUDGED*Hebrews 9:27. JUDGED FOR WHAT?
IF HELL IS ***NOT*** A LITERAL PLACE OF TORMENT YESHUA WAS ONE ****CONFUSED**** INDIVIDUAL.
IF IT WAS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL WHY WOULD HE SAY TO NOT FEAR THOSE WHO COULD DESTROY YOUR BODY BUT TO FEAR THE ONE WHO CAN DESTROY THE BODY AND SOUL IN HELL?
IF HELL IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF YESHUA DYING? IF IT HAS TO DO WITH SIN WHAT IS YHWH'S REQUIRMENT FOR SIN? ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES IT IS REALITY. IN Matthew 7:21-23 WHERE IS HE TELLING THEM TO DEPART TO? WHY IS HE TELLING THEM TO DEPART? 1.WHAT YOU READ *DOES* MATTER. 2Timothy:2:15-16, Hosea 4:6
2.ONE SHOULD STUDY THE HEBREW AND GREEK SCRIPTURES. TO SEE HOW THE WORDS ARE USED,IF THEY ARE MASCULINE OR FEMININE ETC ETC ETC.
3.YESHUA WAS SPEAKING LITERAL WHEN HE EXPLAINED HELL. HOW DO WE KNOW? HIS DISCIPLES ASKED HIM TO ***EXPLAIN*** WHAT HE MEANT ***WITHOUT*** SPEAKING IN PARABLES.
SO HE WAS EXPLAINING A PARABLE WITH A PARABLE? IF THATS THE CASE THEY WOULD HAVE ***NEVER*** COMPREHENDED WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NOT TRUE. YESHUA SPOKE OF A LITERAL PLACE OF TORMENT. 2 PETER 2:4
SO YESHUA MUST HAVE BEEN HIGH ON SHROOMS TO SAY HE GIVES ETERNAL LIFE AND THAT SOME WILL ENTER ETERNAL DAMNATION. OR HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.
MATT 25:31-46 IS *NOT* A PARABLE. HERE YESHUA IS EXPLAINING THE *FINAL* JUDGEMENT (AND SECOND DEATH).
IN VERSE 41 THOSE WHO ARE CURSED ARE TOLD TO DEPART INTO *EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS*
IN VERSE 46 HE CLEARLY STATES THAT THEY WILL GO INTO **EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT** BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO ETERNAL LIFE. WELL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING I JUST TYPED.
1.WHEN YESHUA SPOKE IN PARABLES HE EXPLAINED THEM.
2.IF THERE IS NO PLACE OF ETERNAL TORMENT WHAT IS THE REWARD OF THE WICKED AND WHY DID YESHUA COME?
3.WHAT DOES YHWH REQUIRE FOR *SIN*? SIN=SEPERATION FROM GOD. SIN = SPIRITUAL DEATH (AND CAN *LEAD* TO PHYSICAL DEATH) YOU ARE IN ERROR. ADAM AND EVE DID *NOT* FALL BECAUSE THEY HAD KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND EVIL. ADAM AND EVE FELL BECAUSE THEY *SINNED* AGAINST ELOHAI. THEY WERE IN *DIRECT* REBELLION AGAINST YHWH. YESHUA DIDNT GO AROUND QUOTING FROM OTHER MATERIAL. HE STUCK TO THE SCRIPTURES HE HAD.
NOW I HAVE READ,RESEARCHED PONDERED OVER MANY THINGS. FROM TAO TO KABBALAH TO ISLAM. *NONE* OF THEM STAND THE TEST LIKE THE WORD OF YHWH.
ONE MUST LOOK TOWARDS THE *HOLY SPIRIT* FOR UNDERSTANDING.
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PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS
1.showing you are ALIVE (standing in the water) DYING (going down) DEAD (in the water) RESURRECTED (coming out of the water).
2.symbolic of CLEANSING and removal of sins.
have i wanted to be baptized? YES. has it happened yet? nope. will it happen? yep.
some people will NEVER become baptized and still make it to the kingdom.
@ n9newunsixx5150 you said
yet YESHUA SPOKE OF IT MORE TIMES THAN HE SPOKE OF HEAVEN.
IN MATT 13 YESHUA GIVES MANY PARABLES ABOUT HELL. WHEN ASKED TO ****NOT**** USE PARABLES BUT TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE REALLY MEANT HE BASICALLY TOLD THEM ABOUT THE END OF THE WORLD AND THE GATHERING.
SO EITHER HE EXPLAINED A PARABLE WITH ANOTHER PARABLE (WHATS THE USE OF THAT???) OR HE GAVE THEM A LITERAL MEANING.
AS I STATED BEFORE *MAN* WAS **NOT** MADE FOR THE PLACE OF TORMENT. THIS PLACE OF TORMENT WAS NOT MADE FOR MAN. THIS PLACE OF TORMENT WAS MADE FOR THE REBELS.
NOW IF HELL IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL THAN WHY DID YESHUA STATE WHAT HE DID IN MATT 25:41?
NOW THE BIBLE *CLEARLY* STATES THAT MAN IS TO DIE (PHYSICAL DEATH) *ONCE* AND AFTER THAT BE *JUDGED*Hebrews 9:27. JUDGED FOR WHAT?
IF HELL IS ***NOT*** A LITERAL PLACE OF TORMENT YESHUA WAS ONE ****CONFUSED**** INDIVIDUAL.
IF IT WAS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL WHY WOULD HE SAY TO NOT FEAR THOSE WHO COULD DESTROY YOUR BODY BUT TO FEAR THE ONE WHO CAN DESTROY THE BODY AND SOUL IN HELL?
IF HELL IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERAL WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF YESHUA DYING? IF IT HAS TO DO WITH SIN WHAT IS YHWH'S REQUIRMENT FOR SIN? ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES IT IS REALITY. IN Matthew 7:21-23 WHERE IS HE TELLING THEM TO DEPART TO? WHY IS HE TELLING THEM TO DEPART? 1.WHAT YOU READ *DOES* MATTER. 2Timothy:2:15-16, Hosea 4:6
2.ONE SHOULD STUDY THE HEBREW AND GREEK SCRIPTURES. TO SEE HOW THE WORDS ARE USED,IF THEY ARE MASCULINE OR FEMININE ETC ETC ETC.
3.YESHUA WAS SPEAKING LITERAL WHEN HE EXPLAINED HELL. HOW DO WE KNOW? HIS DISCIPLES ASKED HIM TO ***EXPLAIN*** WHAT HE MEANT ***WITHOUT*** SPEAKING IN PARABLES.
SO HE WAS EXPLAINING A PARABLE WITH A PARABLE? IF THATS THE CASE THEY WOULD HAVE ***NEVER*** COMPREHENDED WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
NOT TRUE. YESHUA SPOKE OF A LITERAL PLACE OF TORMENT. 2 PETER 2:4
SO YESHUA MUST HAVE BEEN HIGH ON SHROOMS TO SAY HE GIVES ETERNAL LIFE AND THAT SOME WILL ENTER ETERNAL DAMNATION. OR HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.
MATT 25:31-46 IS *NOT* A PARABLE. HERE YESHUA IS EXPLAINING THE *FINAL* JUDGEMENT (AND SECOND DEATH).
IN VERSE 41 THOSE WHO ARE CURSED ARE TOLD TO DEPART INTO *EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS*
IN VERSE 46 HE CLEARLY STATES THAT THEY WILL GO INTO **EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT** BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO ETERNAL LIFE. WELL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING I JUST TYPED.
1.WHEN YESHUA SPOKE IN PARABLES HE EXPLAINED THEM.
2.IF THERE IS NO PLACE OF ETERNAL TORMENT WHAT IS THE REWARD OF THE WICKED AND WHY DID YESHUA COME?
3.WHAT DOES YHWH REQUIRE FOR *SIN*? SIN=SEPERATION FROM GOD. SIN = SPIRITUAL DEATH (AND CAN *LEAD* TO PHYSICAL DEATH) YOU ARE IN ERROR. ADAM AND EVE DID *NOT* FALL BECAUSE THEY HAD KNOWLEDGE OF GOD AND EVIL. ADAM AND EVE FELL BECAUSE THEY *SINNED* AGAINST ELOHAI. THEY WERE IN *DIRECT* REBELLION AGAINST YHWH. YESHUA DIDNT GO AROUND QUOTING FROM OTHER MATERIAL. HE STUCK TO THE SCRIPTURES HE HAD.
NOW I HAVE READ,RESEARCHED PONDERED OVER MANY THINGS. FROM TAO TO KABBALAH TO ISLAM. *NONE* OF THEM STAND THE TEST LIKE THE WORD OF YHWH.
ONE MUST LOOK TOWARDS THE *HOLY SPIRIT* FOR UNDERSTANDING.
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PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS
SACRIFICE,
YOU STRESSED, "So what your saying is that Hell is somthing made to scare us, so what is your belief that happens to people who are "Not saved" and "Don't go to Heaven" what they just float in space or is there actually an ending for them?..."
THE WORD "HELL" IS MIS-TRANSLATED AND A LOT HAVE USED IT'S SIgNIFICANCE IN THE BIBLE AS AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT. WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE, HELL IS YOUR OWN gRAVE. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU gO BAK TO DIRT. IT'S NOT TIL JUDgEMENT DAY WHETHER YOU gO TO A RESURECTION OF LIFE OR ONE WHERE YOU CUT OFF FOREVER(MEANIN' YOU'LL CEASE TO EXIST FOREVER).
PITTI4THEBITTI,
YOU STRESSED, "@EDJ-So you believe in Baptism, but you don't believe in the Blessed Trinity. Even though the Jesus say's in the bible to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. What are your thoughts on this?
THAT'S RIgHT, THE TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE ADAPTED FROM PAgAN CULTURES(LOOK AT THE EgYPTIAN AND HINDU TRI-gODS). WHEN YOU BAPTIZE, YOU DO IT IN THE NAME OF ALL THREE. THAT DON'T MEAN THEY THE SAME ENTITY. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME IN SPIRIT AND CAUSE.
YOU STRESSED, "So what your saying is that Hell is somthing made to scare us, so what is your belief that happens to people who are "Not saved" and "Don't go to Heaven" what they just float in space or is there actually an ending for them?..."
THE WORD "HELL" IS MIS-TRANSLATED AND A LOT HAVE USED IT'S SIgNIFICANCE IN THE BIBLE AS AN ACTUAL PLACE OF TORMENT. WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE, HELL IS YOUR OWN gRAVE. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU gO BAK TO DIRT. IT'S NOT TIL JUDgEMENT DAY WHETHER YOU gO TO A RESURECTION OF LIFE OR ONE WHERE YOU CUT OFF FOREVER(MEANIN' YOU'LL CEASE TO EXIST FOREVER).
PITTI4THEBITTI,
YOU STRESSED, "@EDJ-So you believe in Baptism, but you don't believe in the Blessed Trinity. Even though the Jesus say's in the bible to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. What are your thoughts on this?
THAT'S RIgHT, THE TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE ADAPTED FROM PAgAN CULTURES(LOOK AT THE EgYPTIAN AND HINDU TRI-gODS). WHEN YOU BAPTIZE, YOU DO IT IN THE NAME OF ALL THREE. THAT DON'T MEAN THEY THE SAME ENTITY. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME IN SPIRIT AND CAUSE.
^^^ HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE ARE 2 *DISTINCT* PLACES.
I DONT SEE HOW PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT SOMETHING ISNT LITERAL.......ESPECIALLY WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN IT *WITHOUT* SYMBOLISM.
SO IF HELL/PLACE OF TORMENT IS *NOT* REAL THAT WOULD MEAN SEVERAL THINGS:
1.JESUS DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE HELL (NO PUN INTENDED) HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
2.NO PUNISHMENT FOR THE REBELS. THIS WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT ANGELS ARE GOING TO THE GRAVE (IF THEY ARE PUNISHED). SINCE ANGELS ARE BEINGS THAT CANT DIE THIS WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE
3.VIOLATE BOTH JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN "HELL" (BECAUSE THEY *BOTH* HAVE ONE BUT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND TIMELINES)
4.VIOLATE EVERY SECTARIAN WRITING KNOWN TO MAN.
5. MAKE THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS AND THE NEW TESTAMENT DOGMA/DOCTRINE FALSE.
6.WHEN JESUS *DIDNT* USE THE WORD HELL HE WAS DESCRIBING SOME MADE UP PLACE THAT HAD FIRE,WEEPING,GNASHING,TORMENTS ETC ETC ETC
7.EVEN IF A PERSON ELIMINATED THE WORD "HELL" YOU STILL HAVE OVER 100 EXAMPLES DESCRIBING A PLACE OF TORMENT,FIRE,WEEPING ETC ETC ETC
8.THE STORY OF LAZARUS WAS SYMBOLIC OF *NOTHING*
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING?John 5:28,29: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
WORD PLAY IS NEXT
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I DONT SEE HOW PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT SOMETHING ISNT LITERAL.......ESPECIALLY WHEN JESUS WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN IT *WITHOUT* SYMBOLISM.
SO IF HELL/PLACE OF TORMENT IS *NOT* REAL THAT WOULD MEAN SEVERAL THINGS:
1.JESUS DIDNT KNOW WHAT THE HELL (NO PUN INTENDED) HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
2.NO PUNISHMENT FOR THE REBELS. THIS WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT ANGELS ARE GOING TO THE GRAVE (IF THEY ARE PUNISHED). SINCE ANGELS ARE BEINGS THAT CANT DIE THIS WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE
3.VIOLATE BOTH JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN "HELL" (BECAUSE THEY *BOTH* HAVE ONE BUT DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND TIMELINES)
4.VIOLATE EVERY SECTARIAN WRITING KNOWN TO MAN.
5. MAKE THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS AND THE NEW TESTAMENT DOGMA/DOCTRINE FALSE.
6.WHEN JESUS *DIDNT* USE THE WORD HELL HE WAS DESCRIBING SOME MADE UP PLACE THAT HAD FIRE,WEEPING,GNASHING,TORMENTS ETC ETC ETC
7.EVEN IF A PERSON ELIMINATED THE WORD "HELL" YOU STILL HAVE OVER 100 EXAMPLES DESCRIBING A PLACE OF TORMENT,FIRE,WEEPING ETC ETC ETC
8.THE STORY OF LAZARUS WAS SYMBOLIC OF *NOTHING*
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING?John 5:28,29: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation
WORD PLAY IS NEXT
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