IS JUDAS IN HELL OR WAS HE JUST A PAWN?
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No judas was. What part are you confused about. He created Judas and existed as both of them... sort of like if you have two hands and then you put one hand in 2 different puppets and can make them talk to each other. You are still the same person, making conversation with yourself. So he knew about both of them, and what was to come. It was a show for mankind as he acted for both of them, sort of like the new CSI.
@Blight: What is CSI? Good way to look t the grnde scheme of things..On another note, just like many of the blatant unbelievers in this world, they have the opportunity to accept the gospel, but reject the Truth of the Word in their hearts. They might as well had themselves and procure their eternal residence in hell if they dont decide to repent and change...Judas was a prime example, of how greed can destroy a persons faithfullness to the ways of righteousness. Y'all know what color his hair was?
All in all he was a sellout niggard!
All in all he was a sellout niggard!
Judas Is God in alternate form?
Hey Blight, when did you come to that conclusion, in your own reason or you read it somewhere?
It's hard to understand what I'm saying, even when Judas was a child, he sinned like other humans, but God is uncapable of sin, so that's why it's harder for me to take that concept...
What I'm saying is that Jesus had to experience betrayal from someone for the plan to work, does that mean that God Chose a soul to go to Hell? Whether it was Judas or St. Peter or someone else that was choosing a soul to go to Hell, because God knows all, he knew at the time of Judas' birth that he was going to betray Jesus...
Hey Blight, when did you come to that conclusion, in your own reason or you read it somewhere?
It's hard to understand what I'm saying, even when Judas was a child, he sinned like other humans, but God is uncapable of sin, so that's why it's harder for me to take that concept...
What I'm saying is that Jesus had to experience betrayal from someone for the plan to work, does that mean that God Chose a soul to go to Hell? Whether it was Judas or St. Peter or someone else that was choosing a soul to go to Hell, because God knows all, he knew at the time of Judas' birth that he was going to betray Jesus...
LOL, im just pullin ya chainz.... i was just trying to start some religous war on here with my psudo-judas theory.
BUT I GOT TO THAT FROM THE QUESTION OF "GOD KNOWING JUDAS WOULD BETRAY HIM" Then of course he wouldnt have created him and let him live enough to actually even know Jesus. He had to be in on it and may as well have been a part of the plot as far as your question was stated. My opinion on this thread SACRIFICE.
BUT I GOT TO THAT FROM THE QUESTION OF "GOD KNOWING JUDAS WOULD BETRAY HIM" Then of course he wouldnt have created him and let him live enough to actually even know Jesus. He had to be in on it and may as well have been a part of the plot as far as your question was stated. My opinion on this thread SACRIFICE.
I think it is more symbolic what Judas represents in the story of the Apostles. Also symbolic in the way of human nature his own kind betraying him. Even though Judas followed Jesus around and saw him perform miracles, curing the sick, casting out demons, feeding the poor etc. He still sold out Jesus for some money.
To much is comming to my mind right now I can develop a cleaner picture. Later I will come back and go into more detail about what I feel the betrayl of Jesus might represent in society.
To answer your question though "was Judas just a pawn?" Yeah in some ways he was. But he was used for a better cause. Although he sold Jesus out he still plays a huge role in the story of the cruicifixion. Without Judas there would be no crucafixiton. So would God send a key player in the story to hell? No I don't feel he would. He knew that Judas would betray his son. It made the story a story. In every story there must be a foe. So altough Jesus was betrayed he still forgave Judas. Judas didn't have any other acts of "evil" in other stories in the Bible. So it could be said that he was a sinner but still he had to of been a God fearing man. You would have to be if your are actully walking with Jesus and listening to every word. So good question. This is just my opinion. I would love constructive criticism. I am not here to argue, but to discuss.
To much is comming to my mind right now I can develop a cleaner picture. Later I will come back and go into more detail about what I feel the betrayl of Jesus might represent in society.
To answer your question though "was Judas just a pawn?" Yeah in some ways he was. But he was used for a better cause. Although he sold Jesus out he still plays a huge role in the story of the cruicifixion. Without Judas there would be no crucafixiton. So would God send a key player in the story to hell? No I don't feel he would. He knew that Judas would betray his son. It made the story a story. In every story there must be a foe. So altough Jesus was betrayed he still forgave Judas. Judas didn't have any other acts of "evil" in other stories in the Bible. So it could be said that he was a sinner but still he had to of been a God fearing man. You would have to be if your are actully walking with Jesus and listening to every word. So good question. This is just my opinion. I would love constructive criticism. I am not here to argue, but to discuss.
My theory is this:
Jesus knew Judas would betray Him. Because Jesus knows the hearts of men. Jesus also knew that Judas was a good man. Judas I believe is in Heaven. When Judas hung himself, it shows that he still had a conscience and he felt guilty. Good was still in him and that's all you need to be forgivin. Suicide is a garunteed way to go to hell. But the only form of suicde in God's eyes is if you go against Him, because your soul is eternal. And only your Creator can change that, and you make that decision for Him.
Jesus said ,"the healthy don't need a doctor". That's why He talked to who He did. The disciples who followed Jesus followed Him because they wanted to. Jesus just knew how to find them. The disciples who continued to spread His message did so because they were able. They knew what Jesus spoke was Truth so there wasn't any way to get His message confused.
As for that slayin of the Cannaanites. It didn't go against God's Law. There's a difference between murder and justice. I don't know where everybody got this misconception that God doesn't know how to defend Himself or that He's hypocritical. He's GOD. No matter what He does it's righteous. When you meet God are you EVER gonna tell him. "Hey God, ummm yeah, I don't think that was a wise decision" lol. When you think of God think of Him as being all-powerfull, all-knowing, perfect in everything and able to do anything you ask of him as long as it's good. Cuz to question your Maker is to question yourself. If God wasn't all of these things then how could He do anything you ask of Him? And if you could teach God something, then you have just lost the ability to learn. Hell. Real death.
God is not incapable of sin He just doesn't do it. Oh ye of little faith. What is beyond God?
"I AM THAT I AM"-God
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"-Jesus
Jesus knew Judas would betray Him. Because Jesus knows the hearts of men. Jesus also knew that Judas was a good man. Judas I believe is in Heaven. When Judas hung himself, it shows that he still had a conscience and he felt guilty. Good was still in him and that's all you need to be forgivin. Suicide is a garunteed way to go to hell. But the only form of suicde in God's eyes is if you go against Him, because your soul is eternal. And only your Creator can change that, and you make that decision for Him.
Jesus said ,"the healthy don't need a doctor". That's why He talked to who He did. The disciples who followed Jesus followed Him because they wanted to. Jesus just knew how to find them. The disciples who continued to spread His message did so because they were able. They knew what Jesus spoke was Truth so there wasn't any way to get His message confused.
As for that slayin of the Cannaanites. It didn't go against God's Law. There's a difference between murder and justice. I don't know where everybody got this misconception that God doesn't know how to defend Himself or that He's hypocritical. He's GOD. No matter what He does it's righteous. When you meet God are you EVER gonna tell him. "Hey God, ummm yeah, I don't think that was a wise decision" lol. When you think of God think of Him as being all-powerfull, all-knowing, perfect in everything and able to do anything you ask of him as long as it's good. Cuz to question your Maker is to question yourself. If God wasn't all of these things then how could He do anything you ask of Him? And if you could teach God something, then you have just lost the ability to learn. Hell. Real death.
God is not incapable of sin He just doesn't do it. Oh ye of little faith. What is beyond God?
"I AM THAT I AM"-God
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted"-Jesus
SACRIFICE,
FIFTY-FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU KNOW HELL IS AN ACTUAL PLACE YOU SEE AND FEEL CONSCIOUSLY? FOR YOU TO ASSUME HELL AS AN ACTUAL PLACE SOMEBODY WENT TO WHEN ASKIN' A QUESTION IS ALREADY TRYIN' TO PUT AN ANSWER TO HALF OF YOUR QUESTION. IT'S LIKE ASKIN' "DOES YOUR MOM AND DAD KNOW YOU'RE gAY" AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE A FAg. SEE WHAT I'M SAYIN'? YOU ONLY ASSUME THAT HELL IS A PLACE CAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD SO.
XCONDLY,
JESUS WAS DESTINED TO DIE FOR OUR SINS. HE KNEW HE WAS gONNA BE BETRAYED. THRU HIM WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO LIVE FOREVER. JUDAS JUST FULFILLED THAT PROPHECY.
3RDLY,
HOW DO YOU FIgURE THAT JESUS IS (gOD)?
I TELL YOU, YOU LISTEN TO TOO MUCH OF THESE FAKE DOCTRINES, LIKE THE TEACHINgS OF PURgATORY AND THE TRINITY. THER BIBLE DON'T SUPPORT THESE.
FIFTY-FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU KNOW HELL IS AN ACTUAL PLACE YOU SEE AND FEEL CONSCIOUSLY? FOR YOU TO ASSUME HELL AS AN ACTUAL PLACE SOMEBODY WENT TO WHEN ASKIN' A QUESTION IS ALREADY TRYIN' TO PUT AN ANSWER TO HALF OF YOUR QUESTION. IT'S LIKE ASKIN' "DOES YOUR MOM AND DAD KNOW YOU'RE gAY" AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU'RE A FAg. SEE WHAT I'M SAYIN'? YOU ONLY ASSUME THAT HELL IS A PLACE CAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD SO.
XCONDLY,
JESUS WAS DESTINED TO DIE FOR OUR SINS. HE KNEW HE WAS gONNA BE BETRAYED. THRU HIM WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO LIVE FOREVER. JUDAS JUST FULFILLED THAT PROPHECY.
3RDLY,
HOW DO YOU FIgURE THAT JESUS IS (gOD)?
I TELL YOU, YOU LISTEN TO TOO MUCH OF THESE FAKE DOCTRINES, LIKE THE TEACHINgS OF PURgATORY AND THE TRINITY. THER BIBLE DON'T SUPPORT THESE.