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Jazzo

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So, in other words, you're perfectly fine with immigrants coming here and living off welfare their entire lives because they "don't want to" have to learn English?

pretty flawed logic
Exactly! Why? Because Jazzo don't give a fuck... Shit, if I was in that position I would probably do the same shit for awhile. The problem is one is at a dead end and won't have the opportunity to move up in the country with that mentality. So it really depends on the individual in that situation. Honestly I would take the free ride for awhile and then make moves to learn the language only to better my living situation. If I was old though when I moved here I would absolutely say fuck it and enjoy the ride!
 
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Exactly! Why? Because Jazzo don't give a fuck... Shit, if I was in that position I would probably do the same shit for awhile. The problem is one is at a dead end and won't have the opportunity to move up in the country with that mentality. So it really depends on the individual in that situation. Honestly I would take the free ride for awhile and then make moves to learn the language only to better my living situation. If I was old though when I moved here I would absolutely say fuck it and enjoy the ride!
lol, well 61% of Hmongs in Minnesota are in agreement with you, so apparently it's the "in" thing to do.
 
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I agree with Jazzo as well..

The funny thing is we want people to learn English...a language that was brought from another continent...

Why didn't the British learned the native language of the people that were here?

Now people want immigrants to learn English?

c'mon now............................
 

Meta4iCAL

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yes? seriously???

lol... ok... you wanna give up your TV,football, movies, the internet, all the little things we enjoy in life that our society helped create?

cool... have fun... you can live like the natives did, hunt all your own food and sleep in teepees

I'll move to another country
 
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yes? seriously???

lol... ok... you wanna give up your TV,football, movies, the internet, all the little things we enjoy in life that our society helped create?

cool... have fun... you can live like the natives did, hunt all your own food and sleep in teepees

I'll move to another country

Did you know the 1st set of TV's were made in Germany or London (don't remember which one), the 1st movie ever made was from France...

the United States didn't invent everything...
 

Chree

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Fuck ehatlth care anfd shit, had sent me back to call u. A faggot and tell u the viqueens will never be shot and we don't give a fuck about brett favre so he can die off a dick. And musty said wass haaaninlike a faggot he is and the viqeens and shit u bich so fuck u from heavien
 
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yes? seriously???

lol... ok... you wanna give up your TV,football, movies, the internet, all the little things we enjoy in life that our society helped create?

cool... have fun... you can live like the natives did, hunt all your own food and sleep in teepees

I'll move to another country
Yes, seriously.

I'd not only give up my tv, football, movies, the net, but my life, to get the land back. All of that shit is just materialistic shit. Not even comparable to getting what was once ours back.

And I do hunt for my own food. Sure I get McDonalds here and there. But we also hunt for our own meat, too. Deer, elk, & salmon. And I do sleep in tipi's, but only durning powwows.

And go ahead and move to another country, just don't go cause a genocide or anything like that when you arrive there.
 

Meta4iCAL

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Did you know the 1st set of TV's were made in Germany or London (don't remember which one), the 1st movie ever made was from France...

the United States didn't invent everything...
I never said they did... the statement was worded poorly, my bad... BUT...the US had a huge influence on a lot of, if not all the things I named...

even if the first TV was not invented in the US... the US had influence on the development of television throughout history, up until modern times

what I originally said wasn't even applying strictly to the US anyways... I was applying it the entire world...

the US isn't the only country that was started over people taking someone else's land... it's happened throughout history, and it led to modern civilization spreading into other parts of the world

my basic point was... would you guys be happier if we took away all the technology that was invented into the US or introduced to the US?

if the US said...

"okay, Native Americans in the US... have your land back! but we're taking everything with us and going to Canada, and continuing our modern developed society up there, anyone who wants to stay here with the Native people, feel free... but you get no TV, no football, no video games, no computers, etc..."

savage said yes... give the land back to the native people and forget about how we've been running our society for 400+ years... do you feel the same way???
 

Meta4iCAL

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Yes, seriously.

I'd not only give up my tv, football, movies, the net, but my life, to get the land back. All of that shit is just materialistic shit. Not even comparable to getting what was once ours back.

And I do hunt for my own food. Sure I get McDonalds here and there. But we also hunt for our own meat, too. Deer, elk, & salmon. And I do sleep in tipi's, but only durning powwows.

And go ahead and move to another country, just don't go cause a genocide or anything like that when you arrive there.
well you have fun with that!

I'm pretty sure you're in the minority there... but I guess that means you're just not another shallow American... congrats, I guess that means you're a better man than me, huh?

(btw, I don't honestly think you feel that way... of course you won't admit it though)
 
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The whole "whites didnt learn the native language so why should mexicans have to" argument is fucking retarded.


Early Americans came and took over the land. Right or wrong. They TOOK it. It was theres. They can make whatever fucking language they want. Mexicans are not coming here to take over our land. They are here to reap the benefits of what the early americans built. They arent making a new country.


Maybe if the Early Americans felt that the Natives had done enough and established the country enough they would have kept the native language. Obviously they felt like they could make the country better. And to be honest, they did.

Where would we be right now if we took after the natives?
 

Meta4iCAL

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^ exactly...

that's how shit worked back in the day

the strong imposed their will on those weaker than them... again... it's fucked up, but it happened. not only in the United States, but all over the world! Wars were fought over land... all over the world! If you came out on top... you own that land! People who live there speak YOUR language from now on... was it right? nope... but 400 years later is it all of a sudden time to change things? NO!
 
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^ exactly...

that's how shit worked back in the day

the strong imposed their will on those weaker than them... again... it's fucked up, but it happened. not only in the United States, but all over the world! Wars were fought over land... all over the world! If you came out on top... you own that land! People who live their speak YOUR language from now on... was it right? nope... but 400 years later is it all of a sudden time to change things? NO!
Well said. Until Mexicans revolt and take over our nation, english is the language. Learn it or LEAVE it.
 

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IF U DONT PROP THIS U ARE A COMMUNIST!!!

the United States didn't invent everything...
but we did invent the most important thing.....


THE WORLDS STRONGEST ARMY MUHFUCKAS!!!

This country was founded with violence, it has been maintained and preserved with violence, and it will be restored with violence. Anyone who tells you differently is full of shit.

-- An anonymous veteran of the Pacific campaigns
 
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well you have fun with that!

I'm pretty sure you're in the minority there... but I guess that means you're just not another shallow American... congrats, I guess that means you're a better man than me, huh?

(btw, I don't honestly think you feel that way... of course you won't admit it though)
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Who knows? Just like who knows how this world would be if what happend in 1492 didn't happen at all?

And why would I NOT feel this way? Do you think I'm glad my ancestors were victims of genocide? That shit was horrible, and wish it never happened. Nobody deserves that. Not Native, Not White, Not Black, Not Hispanic, Not Asain, nobody.

Buuuttt..at least we still have football, tv, internet, movies, and whatever else we can thank you for bringing to the country. You're right, I'd rather have that shit than land that was rightfully ours.
 
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@ Artistic if you're poor, under the federal poverty line this is good for you. If you are above the poverty line but still struggling you have to do the math. You can get a plan right now for $300 a month with a $2500 deductable. That's about $6100 and you only have to pay the deductable if something goes wrong. You can have the plan and go to the drs office twice a year for a check up at $120 a visit. That's a little less than $4000 a year. This plan cost about $6000 a year for individuals over the fed poverty guidelines. If people have not been able to afford the former how can they afford the latter? It's not a good bill for the working class, who are struggling but working hard. It should do more for more people. Still it's a start. Also what happens when u have young children who don't have all their vaccinations? A kid who is illegal has a disease that could have been prevented and your kid gets it too. Every child, regardlesss of citizenship should have coverage. Vaccines should be free at any clinic, hospital, drs office to anyone no questions asked.

i know this was at Artistic but ok say they do make it where you have to pay $300 a month for insurance. Well after all my bills and shit that I have i barely have $20 bucks a week to spend on whatever I want. If they are gonna charge me $300 a month for insurance they need to drop prices on alot of things so that poor americans like myself can afford the insurance. Until they do that I don't have $300 bucks a month for insurance if thats what the price will be. and since I cant afford i'm going to automatically be fined. That is bullshit in itself to fine someone because they literally cant afford to pay for you mandatory health care.