Floyd Mayweather vs Sugar Shane Mosley [May 1st]
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Aye...don't go lame. The thing about being a fight fan is to make bold predictions on your supposed knowledge of the sport. Based on what you see and how you rationalize the "unknown". If you make a statement on how it turns out you look like a geniuses and have bragging rights. If it turns out entirely different then you get what's coming. "Styles make fights" is true...but it's a cop out. Floyd will win by the facts and observations I have laid forth. This information has been assess by the previous fight Manny vs. Clottey and other previous fights.
^^for the record I've already picked floyd to beat manny simply based on his style and his size, but the clottey fight didn't tell me anything.
Manny is open for rights but he wouldn't fight floyd the same way he fought clottey. Clottey landed his rights because pac was in front of him, he didn't mind taking a few right hands because the fight was in the bag and pac was simply trying to throw millions of punches.
Manny is open for rights but he wouldn't fight floyd the same way he fought clottey. Clottey landed his rights because pac was in front of him, he didn't mind taking a few right hands because the fight was in the bag and pac was simply trying to throw millions of punches.
Not sure how you could compare the two. Clottey and Mayweather are completely different fighters. Roach said that he had to completely scrap everything he had studied so far, on Mayweather, when they signed the Clottey fight.
I honestly don't see the correlation.
Look again. Clottey winced on several occassions, when he was tagged with hard shots to the body and many RINGSIDE observers have stated this as well.
What makes you think Manny would stay in the pocket with Floyd? Floyd is a great inside fighter. Manny isn't. Manny would use in & out and lateral movement as he has been doing for the past two years or so.
He doesn't jab very much, and when he does, it isn't really all that great of a jab anyways...it will be his timing that might throw Manny off.
That would make sense for a more stationary fighter, but Manny is constantly moving. Also, this is one of the punches that Floyd throws that will leave him open for right hook counters.
The difference in footspeed was day & night in this fight. Clottey has never been fleetfooted, Manny would have darted to the side before he could get to him to clinch.
Manny generates his power at the extention of his arms. [/quote]
No doubt Floyd is a great inside fighter.
Not sure I agree with you about generating power at the extension of arms. The strongest punches are short punches, for any fighter. Simple physics.
I disagree that Floyd is mentally tougher. He hasn't been in any wars, or even a tough fight in years. How are you so sure that he won't be shell shocked by an opponent who can actually test him?
I do agree that Floyd's boxing IQ is unmatched in the sport.
But saying he's smart and mentally tougher than Manny as the reason for being undefeated is dumb. There is no correlation there.
Hm. I think if anything the straight right is going to be the deciding punch for Floyd.
We will have to wait and see though. That's what's great about this matchup, no one can truly say how it will play out.
Manny has shown vulnerability against counterpunchers working behind a solid jab.
Floyd has shown vulnerability against pressure fighters, and southpaws.
Its a pick 'em fight, IMO.
I honestly don't see the correlation.
Look again. Clottey winced on several occassions, when he was tagged with hard shots to the body and many RINGSIDE observers have stated this as well.
What makes you think Manny would stay in the pocket with Floyd? Floyd is a great inside fighter. Manny isn't. Manny would use in & out and lateral movement as he has been doing for the past two years or so.
He doesn't jab very much, and when he does, it isn't really all that great of a jab anyways...it will be his timing that might throw Manny off.
That would make sense for a more stationary fighter, but Manny is constantly moving. Also, this is one of the punches that Floyd throws that will leave him open for right hook counters.
The difference in footspeed was day & night in this fight. Clottey has never been fleetfooted, Manny would have darted to the side before he could get to him to clinch.
Manny generates his power at the extention of his arms. [/quote]
No doubt Floyd is a great inside fighter.
Not sure I agree with you about generating power at the extension of arms. The strongest punches are short punches, for any fighter. Simple physics.
I disagree that Floyd is mentally tougher. He hasn't been in any wars, or even a tough fight in years. How are you so sure that he won't be shell shocked by an opponent who can actually test him?
I do agree that Floyd's boxing IQ is unmatched in the sport.
But saying he's smart and mentally tougher than Manny as the reason for being undefeated is dumb. There is no correlation there.
Hm. I think if anything the straight right is going to be the deciding punch for Floyd.
We will have to wait and see though. That's what's great about this matchup, no one can truly say how it will play out.
Manny has shown vulnerability against counterpunchers working behind a solid jab.
Floyd has shown vulnerability against pressure fighters, and southpaws.
Its a pick 'em fight, IMO.
Clottey landed the clearer more percise shats as Manny slapped his glove around the gaurd of Jashua. Manny's body shots found the mark but upstairs he rarely hit Clottey flush. On the other hand Clottey was accurate with his inside uppercuts and lead rights. In the end Pacman won for beeing the busier fighter. What I noticed is that Manny's offense served as his defence because without that busy work pace he can be easily hit. One man punched for dear life while the other covered up for the same reason. 180 punches landed by a knock off version of Ike Quartey. This is clearly un refutable evidence that Mayweather will put Manny in the uncomfortable position of having to outhink Floyd and that will never happen.
Example: Observe these rounds and watch as Clottey pressures Manny to throw repeatedly. Manny lacks that inside presence as he has been schooled by many fighters in the past. His only option is at a distance hoping in and out like Naseem Hamed.
Clottey landed the clearer more percise shats as Manny slapped his glove around the gaurd of Jashua. Manny's body shots found the mark but upstairs he rarely hit Clottey flush. On the other hand Clottey was accurate with his inside uppercuts and lead rights. In the end Pacman won for beeing the busier fighter. What I noticed is that Manny's offense served as his defence because without that busy work pace he can be easily hit. One man punched for dear life while the other covered up for the same reason. 180 punches landed by a knock off version of Ike Quartey. This is clearly irrefutable evidence that Mayweather will put Manny in the uncomfortable position of having to outhink Floyd and that will never happen.
Example: Observe these rounds and watch as Clottey pressures Manny to throw repeatedly. Manny lacks that inside presence as he has been schooled by many fighters in the past. His only option is at a distance hoping in and out like Naseem Hamed.
ROUND 7
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Example: Observe these rounds and watch as Clottey pressures Manny to throw repeatedly. Manny lacks that inside presence as he has been schooled by many fighters in the past. His only option is at a distance hoping in and out like Naseem Hamed.
Clottey landed the clearer more percise shats as Manny slapped his glove around the gaurd of Jashua. Manny's body shots found the mark but upstairs he rarely hit Clottey flush. On the other hand Clottey was accurate with his inside uppercuts and lead rights. In the end Pacman won for beeing the busier fighter. What I noticed is that Manny's offense served as his defence because without that busy work pace he can be easily hit. One man punched for dear life while the other covered up for the same reason. 180 punches landed by a knock off version of Ike Quartey. This is clearly irrefutable evidence that Mayweather will put Manny in the uncomfortable position of having to outhink Floyd and that will never happen.
Example: Observe these rounds and watch as Clottey pressures Manny to throw repeatedly. Manny lacks that inside presence as he has been schooled by many fighters in the past. His only option is at a distance hoping in and out like Naseem Hamed.
ROUND 7
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i'm 100% sure that Freddie Roach, Pac, and their trainers will have a better plan than any of us in here think. If Floyd shows his speed and decides to go to war, then he will win. If he just chills and trys to dodge punches all fight, then he will lose on points. I dont see Pac knocking Floyd while he's on defense. It will have to be a surprise counter that will catch Floyd of guard or off balance.
floyd is open at times and it's freddie roach's job to teach pacquiao when to exploit those opportunities. For example floyd's left hand stays down when he throws straight rights or hooks on occasion:
You could also see this in the Marquez fight, where marquez nailed floyd flush on the chin about 3 times but obviously had zero power to effect floyd.
You could also see this in the Marquez fight, where marquez nailed floyd flush on the chin about 3 times but obviously had zero power to effect floyd.
We can point out Floyd's mistakes true enough but understand this...Manny has more flaws than May all day. Being off balance is a major issue, that's why he's susceptible to counter pounchers. He tends to step forward with the same foot he is throwing a punch with. He doesn't have a tue inside presence or stance. He needs space as he desperatley tried and succesfully kept his distsnce from Clottey. Mayweather is to much for Pacman and this as I maintane is evident in the Clottey fight.
If Clottey could survive then Mayweather will thrive. Biggest reason is the up and down jab then the ability to generate power off of short swings in close quarters.
Chech out the 1:54 mark on this video when Floyd knocks down Marquez. He didn't even get half way into his left hook before he put him down. It wasn't a push it was short...and sweet. When he, Floyd, seperates from a clinch he is very dangerous for these reason: speed, power, short distance. Trinidad was good with seperation as he used it to punch downward on his usualy shorter opponents until he ran into Bhop.
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If Clottey could survive then Mayweather will thrive. Biggest reason is the up and down jab then the ability to generate power off of short swings in close quarters.
Chech out the 1:54 mark on this video when Floyd knocks down Marquez. He didn't even get half way into his left hook before he put him down. It wasn't a push it was short...and sweet. When he, Floyd, seperates from a clinch he is very dangerous for these reason: speed, power, short distance. Trinidad was good with seperation as he used it to punch downward on his usualy shorter opponents until he ran into Bhop.
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My whole thing with your posts are you keep talking about clottey. Don't use clottey as any type of example, that fight taught us NOTHING about how pac vs mayweather would go. Two completely different fighters, two completely different gameplans, two completely different styles (styles make fights lets not forget).
Twas a nice shot indeed, Marquez was also a lightweight fighting a welterweight. I don't take much from that fight.
Again, I still think Floyd beats pacquiao based on styles and size, but I just don't like how people watch the pac-clottey fight and use that as proof that floyd will dominate. There shouldn't really be any comparisons made.
Twas a nice shot indeed, Marquez was also a lightweight fighting a welterweight. I don't take much from that fight.
Again, I still think Floyd beats pacquiao based on styles and size, but I just don't like how people watch the pac-clottey fight and use that as proof that floyd will dominate. There shouldn't really be any comparisons made.
I wouldn't say he's easy to hit. But obviously, when a guy is constantly on the offensive, he's going to be open.
Tony if you think Pacquiao is still a brawler, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
He is an offensive minded and very aggressive fighter.
Brawlers don't have the type of footwork that Manny does. One of his most underrated attributes, IMO.
Tony if you think Pacquiao is still a brawler, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
He is an offensive minded and very aggressive fighter.
Brawlers don't have the type of footwork that Manny does. One of his most underrated attributes, IMO.
And Floyd is a great boxer, not a great fighter. In a great fighter, there lies a tremendous amount of heart and courage, something Floyd's been lacking, in many people's eyes, since moving up in weight.
Against a fighter like Manny, Floyd will need to change his entire gameplan, IMO; Floyd won't be able to pick his shots, tapping a jab at his opponent, and coast to a win. This will be constant pressure, something he's not used to, and something he doesn't enjoy.
Floyd's key to victory lies in his counterpunching, and not getting caught with a big shot. I don't believe that if Manny connects with a bomb, Floyd will finish the fight.
Manny will need to be a little more cautious, as he's in with a great counter puncher, but he's been in with one before (Marquez); the difference is, Floyd's punches aren't knockout caliber, as he's concerned (IMO) with getting back into his ''comfort zone'' (defensive stance) before he can be hit back.
Floyd will need to outwork Manny to win, and I don't know if he can do that.
I hope the fight gets made, though; sure as shit beats paying money to watch Erik Morales' fat twin brother.
Against a fighter like Manny, Floyd will need to change his entire gameplan, IMO; Floyd won't be able to pick his shots, tapping a jab at his opponent, and coast to a win. This will be constant pressure, something he's not used to, and something he doesn't enjoy.
Floyd's key to victory lies in his counterpunching, and not getting caught with a big shot. I don't believe that if Manny connects with a bomb, Floyd will finish the fight.
Manny will need to be a little more cautious, as he's in with a great counter puncher, but he's been in with one before (Marquez); the difference is, Floyd's punches aren't knockout caliber, as he's concerned (IMO) with getting back into his ''comfort zone'' (defensive stance) before he can be hit back.
Floyd will need to outwork Manny to win, and I don't know if he can do that.
I hope the fight gets made, though; sure as shit beats paying money to watch Erik Morales' fat twin brother.
Shane is to stiff he will get outboxed by Floyd. Shane winds up on his punches and turns his head upperward when he generates power shots. You are supposed to keep your chin tucked when throwing hooks and rights. De La Hoya out boxed Shane in their 2nd fight which I thought he beat Shane. Shane just seems to get out boxed often: Enter Floyd Mayweather Jr.