Floyd Mayweather vs Sugar Shane Mosley [May 1st]

[2-0-Sixx]

lol you call that boxing I call that running cause thats exactly what Cotto did in the last rounds of that fight.

Riiiiight, so when cotto boxes he's running but when Floyd boxes that's style...

Whether or not how you scored the fight cotto was effective against mosley when boxing.

For the record I scored the fight a draw when I watched it live. Re-watching it several times since I had cotto winning clearly each time.

as for mayweather it just comes down to his style, hes a true boxer and never goes for the kill

You don't have to tell me I already know, but it's pretty common knowledge floyd doesn't have much power, some of that is his style, some of that is moving up in weight, but most of it is because he has brittle hands and he doesn't want to break them as he's done many times in the past.

No of that really matters though, but when dude used the clottey fight as some sort of proof as to what would happen to pac is just silly. No comparisons can be made.

 

[Tony]

I thought Cotto ran those last few rounds versus Mosely and that allowed Mosely to get back into the fight.

 

[Tony]

No of that really matters though, but when dude used the clottey fight as some sort of proof as to what would happen to pac is just silly. No comparisons can be made.

I don't think it was silly, I thought it was a good comparison. Because when Clottey did throw that right hand it landed. Only problem is, Clottey didn't throw it enough (as evidenced by his low punch output). I remember in one round he only threw 14 punches (and don't sit here and say it was because of Pacman when those punches never hurt Clottey).

Pacman was getting hit with flush right hands and Mayweather leads with his right pretty good. I can see Mayweather scoring a few knockdowns if they fought but I see Mosely knocking Pacman out because he's too easy to hit. He throws a lot of punches but leaves himself open to get countered that's why he had trouble with JMM.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I don't think it was silly, I thought it was a good comparison. Because when Clottey did throw that right hand it landed. Only problem is, Clottey didn't throw it enough (as evidenced by his low punch output). I remember in one round he only threw 14 punches (and don't sit here and say it was because of Pacman when those punches never hurt Clottey).

Pacman was getting hit with flush right hands and Mayweather leads with his right pretty good. I can see Mayweather scoring a few knockdowns if they fought but I see Mosely knocking Pacman out because he's too easy to hit. He throws a lot of punches but leaves himself open to get countered that's why he had trouble with JMM.

Pacquiao has always been open to right hands, that's nothing new, but again, making comparisons with clottey is terrible because the fight plan for pac is so much different against a guy like clottey then it is or would be against anyone else. The plan against clottey was to throw non-stop punches, circle and never allow clottey to get setup. The second half of the fight pac was trying to pick up the pace even more to make the fight somewhat exciting so he was open to be hit even more than he would have been.

Against mayweather he would not fight like that lol. You cant fight mayweather and just throw nonstop punches. Clottey was literally straight forward moving punching bag. This is a closeup shot of clottey:

He wouldn't fight like that against Mosley either, he'd fight smart. There would be occasional flurries and each guy trading shots but pacquiao would box mosley very smart, dancing in & out and staying on the outside for much of the fight. Freddie Roach is no fool.

 

[MOREBASS]

Tony, you have some very in depth analysis for a fight you didn't see. I wish I had those abilities.

 

[Tony]

You might want to add the ability of reading and common sense to that list of abilities you wish you had! I did see the fight (how do you think I know about Clottey only "throwing" 14 punches in one round?) So get off of that "you haven't seen the fight yet BS".... caught the replay Saturday night and I agreed with the announcers and the dude who was scoring the fight. Clottey was giving the rounds away by not punching back period. When he did punch he was very effective and he was landing the right hand at will. He was catching Pacman with flush shots.

If Clottey had any balls or heart, he would have knocked Pacman out. Pacman's punches didn't land and/or didn't hurt so I don't see why Clottey was so worried about getting knocked out.

 

[MOREBASS]

Don't see where you are getting the notion that Clottey would have knocked Pacquiao out. If he was more offensive in the fight, he would've gotten knocked out himself.

The only reason why he survived the fight is because he stayed behind his guard almost the entire fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Don't see where you are getting the notion that Clottey would have knocked Pacquiao out. If he was more offensive in the fight, he would've gotten knocked out himself.

yeah no shit. Further if Clottey was more offensive pacquiao wouldn't have been fighting the same way.

Clottey couldn't knock out cotto when he was badly hurt and tony thinks he could have knocked out pacquiao who was never hurt. Genius!

 

[Tony]

Genius!

I wish I had those abilities.

Thank You!

 

[Tony]

yeah no shit. Further if Clottey was more offensive pacquiao wouldn't have been fighting the same way.

Clottey couldn't knock out cotto when he was badly hurt and tony thinks he could have knocked out pacquiao who was never hurt. Genius!

Clottey threw 14 punches in one of those rounds.... you ain't gone hurt nobody throwing 14 punches. My 13 year old son was watching the fight with me and he kept saying "man, why Clottey ain't punchin, this fight borin'"....

We all know Cotto goes into retreat mode at the end of his fights... Can't say the same about Pacman. Clottey didn't want to win that fight, I see why his trainer said he had no balls. Now Clottey wants to blame it on the runs.... whatever. That mf didn't want to win, he showed up to spar and get paid.

 

[JReezelle]

^^^ damn blood you need to see a doctor you might be autistic...either that or just plain retarded lol! what you don't understand about him throwing only 14 punches that round is that pac's offense only allowed him to do so. it's called getting smothered tony. if you bring a pistol to a gunfight and fool's is buckin at you wit a fully how many shots you goin to get off wit your pee shooter?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

We all know Cotto goes into retreat mode at the end of his fights...

He sure does, but too bad he was badly hurt in the early rounds as well as the middle rounds when clottey was dominating him. You act like cotto was only hurt in the final two rounds, he was hurt most of the fight!

Clottey didn't want to win that fight, I see why his trainer said he had no balls. Now Clottey wants to blame it on the runs.... whatever. That mf didn't want to win, he showed up to spar and get paid.

He showed up and had no idea what he got himself into after the bell rang. And don't let Clottey's trainer off the hook he's an idiot too for not preparing clottey for what was too happen, he's the guy that refused to watch any tape on pacquiao because he thought he was the same fighter he was 5 years ago! Like I said, dumb & dumber vs the top fighter & top trainer in the world. Bad combo.

 

[Tony]

^^^ damn blood you need to see a doctor you might be autistic...either that or just plain retarded lol! what you don't understand about him throwing only 14 punches that round is that pac's offense only allowed him to do so. it's called getting smothered tony. if you bring a pistol to a gunfight and fool's is buckin at you wit a fully how many shots you goin to get off wit your pee shooter?

Boxers do counter punch... Pac's offense is not an excuse for Clottey not throwing enough punches to win the fight. All those punches didn't even faze Clottey (who admitted he was never hurt). You act like Pacman punched non stop throughout the fight. Clottey had opportunities, he caught Pacman with good shots but didn't have the heart, balls, or will to follow up and try to knock the smaller guy out. Just showed up to spar and to tell the world how fast Pacman is.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^clottey already said he couldn't set up his shots cuz pac was throwing non stop. Also, freddie roach said they trained on pac to unload punches and circle, so that wouldn't allow clottey to counter, which obviously worked. Bottom line is clottey didn't feel comfortable to open up and tony, he must have felt something if he said he felt like he was going to get knocked out, why else say it? You take 1200 punches from pac, blocked or not, that shit adds up.

 

[Tony]

Well if Pac is circling then Clottey should have cut the ring off. Bottom line: Clottey didn't want to win bad enough.

Yeah those 1200 punches add up especially when you're not punching back.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

so do you believe if clottey "showed up to win" he would have won?

 

[Tony]

I believe he would have had a better oppurtunity! You can't expect to win a fight when you only throw 14 punches in a round, come on bruh.... Everybody was gettin' pissed at Clottey for not punching back. Max Kellerman was the only one talking about how Pacman's offense won't allow Clottey to punch back. Max be on some BS.

And then the other commentator starts going "bang, bang, bang" like Pacman was landing all these flush shots.... what a joke.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You can't expect to win a fight when you only throw 14 punches in a round, come on bruh....

Jermain Taylor did against Cory Spinks.

one talking about how Pacman's offense won't allow Clottey to punch back. Max be on some BS.

How is that BS though? I mean, that's how you beat clottey - throw more punches. Why do you think margarito threw 1,625 punches against him? Don't you think it has to do with styles?

Like naner said, clottey will always be clottey, he's not going to turn into something he's not in a middle of a fight.

And then the other commentator starts going "bang, bang, bang" like Pacman was landing all these flush shots.... what a joke.

I think Jim was drunk as hell, or bored as hell from the undercard he exploded at the first thing remotely interesting

 

[The Bay Area]

Base on the Clottey fight I realy see Mayweather having tremendous success against Pac Man. I noticed the flush body shots Pac Man landed on Clottey to no avail. I can see Floyd in the pocket feeling very comfotable with an inside fight game and walking Pac Man down much more effectivley than Clottey. Floyd's jab will nulify the jumping back an forth and having your feet leave the ground as Manny often does. Mayweather's tactic of jabing to the midsection and up will bother Manny tremendously as Floyd has the longer reach. Clottey as with most African fighters does not clinch. As the bigger and slower man he should have used that tactic to weight on Manny and reduce his punch out put. Mayweather has the ability to generate power shots from close range, a sort of clipping affect that had Zab Judah reeling. Manny generates his power at the extention of his arms. Last point, Mayweather is simply tougher mentaly and is smarter than Manny that is why is...undefeated. His pedigree is of a fighting family. In the end Mayweather's up and down jab will offset Manny and render him as usless as Marquez.

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[2-0-Sixx]

all i know is that pacquiao vs clottey has told us nothing about what a pac vs floyd fight would look like because the styles are so different and the gameplans would be so different.

I do know that floyd has had trouble with fast southpaws and manny is the best southpaw in the sport and one of the greatest southpaws of all time.

On the flip side manny has had trouble with great counter punchers and floyd is on of the best in the game.

So it's nearly impossible to say how the fight would go. Only way to find out is in the middle of the ring.