FARANHEIT 9/11
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I never said that the media is 100% accurate. My point about picking up a newspaper is just that-pick up a newspaper, form your OWN opinions based on factual events. Don't just watch a movie and all of a sudden be political. Don't watch a movie and just believe everything in it. Read, know your history, then form your opinion. All that these kids are doing is just regurgitating what they saw in a movie. You guys are all not feeling me on this. I'm NOT a republican, or a democrat. I have NO political affiliations whatsoever. Like I said, I've been in combat, in wars. I've seen firsthand what happens in war and I live by this rule: I love my country, but I fear my government.
Just because I'm trashing Michael Moore's bullshit opinion, doesn't mean I'm pro-Bush. Fuck Bush. I'm only trying to give you people the FACTS. There are three sides to EVERY story-your side, his side and the TRUTH. You feel me? On one hand you're saying you'd be an idiot to believe everything the media feeds you and the other hand, you ARE believing everything that Michael Moore feeds you. And sorry to break this to you, but Michael Moore IS the media. Like it or not.
Just because I'm trashing Michael Moore's bullshit opinion, doesn't mean I'm pro-Bush. Fuck Bush. I'm only trying to give you people the FACTS. There are three sides to EVERY story-your side, his side and the TRUTH. You feel me? On one hand you're saying you'd be an idiot to believe everything the media feeds you and the other hand, you ARE believing everything that Michael Moore feeds you. And sorry to break this to you, but Michael Moore IS the media. Like it or not.
Everything that I've said, your hero Michael Moore has not disputed. Ask him, he'll tell you. In the movie, Michael Moore makes his audience believe that there were several flights and that Bush ordered them when it's on PUBLIC RECORD that Richard Clarke-a Clinton Administration holdover-ADMITTED that a couple of flights left AFTER U.S. airspace was re-opened. AND that HE ALONE was responsible for them. In fact, they chartered their own flights. The Bush administration had NOTHING to do with it. He stated this,under oath, to the 9/11 Commission LIVE on T.V. Everything else that I've stated are all matters of public record. And like I said, Moore hasn't voted in years. He claims no affiliation with any party, yet he is a registered Democrat in Michigan and in New York. He has worked with NBC, FOX, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, etc, etc, etc. ALL multi-billion dollar conglomerates that he rallies against in his movies. He, himself is a millionaire with a penthouse suite in Manhattan. So, basically, he's a fucking hypocrite and a liar. All of you people are so quick to believe every word this guy says, that you don't stop and question the very source. He's a fraud, JUST LIKE BUSH. That's the whole point.
All the people who diss moore usually fall into 3 categories:
1. Blind followers of bush who are ignorant to the truth
2. People who got mad over a few minor questionable parts in bowling for columbine
3. People who HAVENT EVEN SEEN farenheit 9/11 but choose to hate on moore for whatever corny reason
Moore had main points in this film that all are true. Bush went to war for phony reasons, he has ties with the saudis, many soldiers are unhappy with whats going on (the media doesnt show us this) . For people who hate on this movie, i challenge you to list the reasons why its "fake" ....i highly doubt you can come up with a good list. Dont get some shitty right wing write up off a google search either
1. Blind followers of bush who are ignorant to the truth
2. People who got mad over a few minor questionable parts in bowling for columbine
3. People who HAVENT EVEN SEEN farenheit 9/11 but choose to hate on moore for whatever corny reason
Moore had main points in this film that all are true. Bush went to war for phony reasons, he has ties with the saudis, many soldiers are unhappy with whats going on (the media doesnt show us this) . For people who hate on this movie, i challenge you to list the reasons why its "fake" ....i highly doubt you can come up with a good list. Dont get some shitty right wing write up off a google search either
america cant spare a dime to help out other countries. "oh but like a hundred grand could feed this country for 6 months" so? not americas problem. the problem is america is so complex, it has so many different meanings. when somebody says "yeah we should help out poor kids in another country", they dont understand that they need to figure out who "we" is. "we, america, should pay." who? the people? the government? which coorporation? which company? there really is no "we". the government makes money. literally. presses it. but i along with other people cant explain exactly what the "government" really is here or who exactly calls shots for stuff we dont know about. i really dont know the half of what happens inside. and when people say the "government", thats not explaining anything, too vauge. california is part of the government, part of the u.s. then why are we in debt so bad? im not claiming to be a politician, but i know the basics i think. i dont know the answers to all this shit but i know they arent simple. i always wondered why america likes to enslave and kill people. im pretty sure thats what a lot of our money goes to. prisons and war. we went to iraq, and basically eventually caught a guy and toppled his statue. we liberated iraq, huh? im not really sure how much we can do for it, there isnt a way to just go into a country and just totally change the way things are. and im 16. it will be havoc if they do another draft. you have way too many educated people out there than we used to. people actually know what they are being asked to do, and know how to say no. and prison, it really is just americas insecurities draining its money. if murdering is so terrible to society, i can understand that, but when someone is in the pen almost as long as a murderer for drugs, that i dont understand. and why having a little bit of crack, which is common in lower class places, is almost the same as having a fuckin duffle bag of powder, which rich beverly hills type people do. drug related cases are what most people in prision are in for(correct me if im wrong) if not , a lot of people are in for drugs. selling drugs really is an unharmful thing, its like selling an unloaded gun. murder is harmful because you shoot people with a loaded gun. i dont get why drug dealers can get a similar sentence as murderers...
sorry if i got off topic a little, the shits on my mind cuz of todays gov& econ classes, hope i made some sense.
sorry if i got off topic a little, the shits on my mind cuz of todays gov& econ classes, hope i made some sense.
YOUR ONE IGNORANT DIPSHIT FOR SAYIN ANYTHING LIKE THAT...THIS MOVIE HAS NOTHIN 2 DO WIT WHAT I GOT 2 SAY ABOUT THIS ISSUE...ITS DUMB FUCKS THAT SAY STUPID SHIT THEY PULLED OUT THERE ASS...IM SURE AS HELL NOT A BLIND FOLLOWER...I DIDNT EVER KNOW THERE WAS A MOVIE CALLED BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE.....AND FUCK THE 9/11 MOVIE...I CHOSE 2 HATE THE SON OF A BITCH CUZ HE HID ALL THIS SHIT 4RM THE MEDIA FOR MONTHS...AND CAME OUT WIT SUM BULLSHIT RIGHT WHEN HE SEEN PPL STARTED QUESTIONIN THE ISSUE...AND EXPLAIN 2 ME HOW FOR A FACT EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS TRUE...DID U SIT NEXT 2 HIS ASS WHILE HE TYPED UP A SEARCH IN GOOGLE?...IF U ASK ME...YOUR STATMENT WAS PHONY
so you guys are sayin lets be optimistic about it, let our guards down and wait til they strike again....fuck that i dont believe in that shit. you wouldnt want me president cuz if i were and muthafuckers did a 9/11 on my country. Id be nuking the fuck outta the bastards whoever did it, throwing a few nukes in there. you cant do shit these days you get the nato fucks after you for some little small time shit bombing fucking pussies back in the old days we would bomb the muthafuckers up like it was nothing with nukes and shit. i dont believe in everything bush does but IMO i dont think going into iraq was all that bad like this michael moore wants you to believe right before the elections are coming up. AND the media doesnt show us the good aspects of what good is going inside the middle east now that the u.s. is there helping them get situated. All you ever hear on the news is the negative aspect of war. you never hear of the positive side of the war. middle eastern folk are able to have freedom now that the taliban and saddam arent in power, their able to do things they were able to do b4. anyway thats my 2 cents i could go on all night, but im gonna let others voice their opinions on the shit....
what about when clinton was president and the terrorist bombed the uss cole, what about then???? we werent at war with them....
it doesnt matter whos president. it doesnt matter if we're fighting anyone or not. terrorist will strike anywhere at anytime whoever is president. they've been doing for decades!!!!
it doesnt matter whos president. it doesnt matter if we're fighting anyone or not. terrorist will strike anywhere at anytime whoever is president. they've been doing for decades!!!!
That's a cute list, but since you Michael Moore lovers let him brainwash you, you must've not been reading what I've been posting correctly. So I'll repeat it again.
I'm NOT a Bush supporter. FUCK BUSH.
Just because I'm pointing out Moore's misleading bullshit, doesn't mean that I agree with the war or the current president or any fucking republicans.
My point of pulling the rug from under Moore's fat pants is to show all of you people who can't think for themselves and have to watch a movie to bring up politics.
My point is that Michael Moore and George W. Bush are in the same league. They are both manipulators. They are both liars.
How can you all say that the media lies, yet you turn around and believe everything that Michael Moore says, when he, himslef, is part of the media?
Everyone who watches the news and reads newspapers has already known for a LONG time now that the Iraq war is bullshit and that the Bush administration are liars. That movie tells us no new info except the lies that Michael Moore tells. Lies that he has gone on record to correct AFTER someone busts him with the FACTS.
Now enough of that, let me correct your statements.
You say there's "a few minor questionable parts" in Bowling for Columbine?
Well, there's more than a few minor questionable parts.
Let me list a couple:
#1, the opening scene in Bowling for Columbine when he walks out of the bank with a rifle is fake. He staged that whole scene with his smart ass-voice over to try to prove a point. In FACT he did NOT walk out of the bank with a rifle, just like that. He received a certificate. He had to go to the gun shop, pass a background check and wait the normal waiting period that the law requires. THEN he recieved a rifle, FROM the gun shop, NOT the bank. THAT is a FACT. He has since gone on record stating that he staged that scene to get his point across, AFTER he got busted for it.
#2, the company LOCKHEED MARTIN that he shows in his movie claiming that they make nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction is all lies as well. That company USED TO make these weapons years ago, NOT during the Columbine shootings or during the filming of his documentary. In FACT, Lockheed Martin makes space launch rockets to send satellites into space for satellite TV. Again, this is a FACT and Moore has gone on record stating this, once again, AFTER he's gotten busted for lying.
#3, Moore has made the claim that the U.S. gave $245 million to the Taliban, when in FACT it was the U.N. that gave that money to non-govermental agencies in Afghanistan for food aid and other aid to help a famine in Afghanistan. The money was given by and distributed by the United Nations, NOT the U.S. Another FACT, that Moore has gone on record to clean up after getting accused of lying.
#4, He tells the story of a young boy who shot and killed a classmate after his mother was forced to leave him with her brother while she took a job where she was bussed to work every day, a tragedy Moore blamed on the requirements of a Michigan welfare-to-work program. But he doesn't mention that her brother kept drugs and guns in the house and, according to local law enforcement, was a crack house, where guns were often traded for drugs.
#5, The Charleton Heston segement when he showed his speech in front of a crowd was also faked. The speech was actually several minutes long. Moore took a few sentences and edited them how he wanted them to sound and look with some shots of a crowd and added background noise. So basically, he created that speech to make Heston and the NRA look like assholes. Hey, they might be assholes, who knows? But the point is, Moore purposely edited and created that footage to try to get his point across. That's called a LIE. If you want, I can post the entire speech along with the edited one you all saw in the movie.
That's just a few of the lies, half-truths and partial facts that Moore shows in ALL of his films. He has admitted to doing all of this, on record, when he's been confronted with the actual FACTS.
So like I said, he's telling us shit that we all already know and adding his own little spin on everything for his own personal gain. He's kicking back, counting his money and laughing all the way to the bank.
Read my previous posts as to just how "factual" Fahrenheit 9/11 is.
These reasons and many more are why I don't believe this liar just as much as I don't believe Bush. They are both liars who are out for their own personal gain.
Why do you question Bush, but you don't question Moore? Why is that Moore is "exposing" the government when everything that IS factual in his movies, we all already know, or should know. All it takes is the will to find out this information by ourselves. It's not that hard. All of Moore's accuations have BEEN out there. That's my whole point-Question everything. Don't question one source and then automatically believe another. One last thing, like I said before, Moore had footage of the abuse of those Iraqi prisoners before anyone did. Why did he sit on this imortant informaion? Why did we have to find out from other news sources when he had this footage and information all along? I'll tell you why. Because it makes for one hell of a "shocking information" in his movie that would in turn make him more money.
Again, I'm NOT a Bush supporter, I'm a bullshit detector. And Michael Moore is full of it, just like Bush.
I'm NOT a Bush supporter. FUCK BUSH.
Just because I'm pointing out Moore's misleading bullshit, doesn't mean that I agree with the war or the current president or any fucking republicans.
My point of pulling the rug from under Moore's fat pants is to show all of you people who can't think for themselves and have to watch a movie to bring up politics.
My point is that Michael Moore and George W. Bush are in the same league. They are both manipulators. They are both liars.
How can you all say that the media lies, yet you turn around and believe everything that Michael Moore says, when he, himslef, is part of the media?
Everyone who watches the news and reads newspapers has already known for a LONG time now that the Iraq war is bullshit and that the Bush administration are liars. That movie tells us no new info except the lies that Michael Moore tells. Lies that he has gone on record to correct AFTER someone busts him with the FACTS.
Now enough of that, let me correct your statements.
You say there's "a few minor questionable parts" in Bowling for Columbine?
Well, there's more than a few minor questionable parts.
Let me list a couple:
#1, the opening scene in Bowling for Columbine when he walks out of the bank with a rifle is fake. He staged that whole scene with his smart ass-voice over to try to prove a point. In FACT he did NOT walk out of the bank with a rifle, just like that. He received a certificate. He had to go to the gun shop, pass a background check and wait the normal waiting period that the law requires. THEN he recieved a rifle, FROM the gun shop, NOT the bank. THAT is a FACT. He has since gone on record stating that he staged that scene to get his point across, AFTER he got busted for it.
#2, the company LOCKHEED MARTIN that he shows in his movie claiming that they make nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction is all lies as well. That company USED TO make these weapons years ago, NOT during the Columbine shootings or during the filming of his documentary. In FACT, Lockheed Martin makes space launch rockets to send satellites into space for satellite TV. Again, this is a FACT and Moore has gone on record stating this, once again, AFTER he's gotten busted for lying.
#3, Moore has made the claim that the U.S. gave $245 million to the Taliban, when in FACT it was the U.N. that gave that money to non-govermental agencies in Afghanistan for food aid and other aid to help a famine in Afghanistan. The money was given by and distributed by the United Nations, NOT the U.S. Another FACT, that Moore has gone on record to clean up after getting accused of lying.
#4, He tells the story of a young boy who shot and killed a classmate after his mother was forced to leave him with her brother while she took a job where she was bussed to work every day, a tragedy Moore blamed on the requirements of a Michigan welfare-to-work program. But he doesn't mention that her brother kept drugs and guns in the house and, according to local law enforcement, was a crack house, where guns were often traded for drugs.
#5, The Charleton Heston segement when he showed his speech in front of a crowd was also faked. The speech was actually several minutes long. Moore took a few sentences and edited them how he wanted them to sound and look with some shots of a crowd and added background noise. So basically, he created that speech to make Heston and the NRA look like assholes. Hey, they might be assholes, who knows? But the point is, Moore purposely edited and created that footage to try to get his point across. That's called a LIE. If you want, I can post the entire speech along with the edited one you all saw in the movie.
That's just a few of the lies, half-truths and partial facts that Moore shows in ALL of his films. He has admitted to doing all of this, on record, when he's been confronted with the actual FACTS.
So like I said, he's telling us shit that we all already know and adding his own little spin on everything for his own personal gain. He's kicking back, counting his money and laughing all the way to the bank.
Read my previous posts as to just how "factual" Fahrenheit 9/11 is.
These reasons and many more are why I don't believe this liar just as much as I don't believe Bush. They are both liars who are out for their own personal gain.
Why do you question Bush, but you don't question Moore? Why is that Moore is "exposing" the government when everything that IS factual in his movies, we all already know, or should know. All it takes is the will to find out this information by ourselves. It's not that hard. All of Moore's accuations have BEEN out there. That's my whole point-Question everything. Don't question one source and then automatically believe another. One last thing, like I said before, Moore had footage of the abuse of those Iraqi prisoners before anyone did. Why did he sit on this imortant informaion? Why did we have to find out from other news sources when he had this footage and information all along? I'll tell you why. Because it makes for one hell of a "shocking information" in his movie that would in turn make him more money.
Again, I'm NOT a Bush supporter, I'm a bullshit detector. And Michael Moore is full of it, just like Bush.
That's cool. I agree with you on most of what you believe as well. But Michael Moore is in the same group with these rich, priveleged politicians. He's a fuckin millionaire. He's using the war for his own personal gain as well. I'm only pointing out that the messenger is just as fake and crooked as the message itself. They lie, he lies. The truth is somewhere in between. Like I said, and like you've said, we all know the war on Iraq is bullshit. Michael Moore isn't exposing anything that we don't already know. And again, Michael Moore IS the media. He ain't in the same league as Cesar Chavez. But the way you and some people on here have been talking about Michael Moore, it's gotten ridiculous. He doesn't care about these causes in his movies and books. If he did, he'd actually get his facts checked and make sure they're right before pointing fingers at people and making claims that he can't back up. If he did care, he wouldn't be staging scenes in his movies and editing speeches and ads in his movies, since they only hurt the cause when they're found out to be fake. If he did care, he would've exposed the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners before anyone. If he did care, he wouldn't be making these books and movies for profit. Bush and co. are using the war to stay rich. Michael Moore is also using the war to stay rich. Two opposing sides fighting for the same thing: greed.
part of the problem is some of moores supporters say, yeah thats wrong, the stuff thats happening is terrible, they agree, but they dont realize that he aint god. he cant do anything about most of the problems he presents. yeah also, he is hella rich, and dresses like a bum almost, to appeal to the average working class people
WHY DONT THEY STOP AMKING THEM????
BECUZ THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK THEYRE MAKING HELLA HELLA MONEY
AND AMERICANS STILL BUY THEM WITH PRICES WHERE THEYRE AT, SO THEY HAVE NO REASON TO STOP
THATS WHY
YA I DONT THINK WHAT U GET FREEDOM IS, IN AMERICA WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DRIVE A FUCKIN HUMMER BECUZ ARE GAS PRICES ARE REASONABLY LOW, BUT U CANT DO THAT IN EUROPE
AND ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION GAS PRICES ARE LOWER THAN BEFORE
BECUZ THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK THEYRE MAKING HELLA HELLA MONEY
AND AMERICANS STILL BUY THEM WITH PRICES WHERE THEYRE AT, SO THEY HAVE NO REASON TO STOP
THATS WHY
YA I DONT THINK WHAT U GET FREEDOM IS, IN AMERICA WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DRIVE A FUCKIN HUMMER BECUZ ARE GAS PRICES ARE REASONABLY LOW, BUT U CANT DO THAT IN EUROPE
AND ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION GAS PRICES ARE LOWER THAN BEFORE