Even global climate change can get taxed!
- Thread starter Fucky McFuckerson
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you turned this into a pyhscology class.your observation of the human species is pure speculation, imo. i'm not saying you are wrong either.but we are talking about taxes being passed on to the consumer in the name of the environment by the oil companies with the backing of the government. your responses have nothing really to do with the topic. you are trying to drive home this perception that we are all the same when that is clearly not accurate.
So what?
As if they know what they're talking about. I felt like vomiting when I heard him talk about "reality".
1. Of course the bill will not make any difference in terms of climate change, no bill will do that, even one imposing zero emissions starting tomorrow, unless the whole world does the same; that is not to say that the bill is adequate, even if it was imposed on the whole world; it isn't
2. They use that argument to say that the bill isn't going to solve the problem with climate change so it is not worth hurting the economy with it. That's pure bullshit. Any bill that is going to solve climate change will require the total destruction of the economy because the way our economy is set up is totally incompatible with any kind of long-term ecological sustainability. So the question is do we value our economy more than our lives?
3. They talk about how high energy prices led to the recession and how because of that, there should be no climate change bill. Well, if energy prices skyrocketed and this led to the recession, this might be a clue, following the simplest economic logic that energy supply isn't meeting energy demand. From here to realizing that we have hit Peak Oil is a step that only those who have never heard or thought about the fact that the amount of oil in the ground if finite or those who have done that but have been brainwashed by years of indoctrination in economic theory into thinking that can't be a problem won't make. The argument that because the bill will make energy more expensive the bill shouldn't be passed is, again, bullshit, because due to ruthless geological factor, energy prices will skyrocket beyond anything anyone of them has ever imagined in the not so distant future and this will dwarf any effect the bill will have on them.
As if they know what they're talking about. I felt like vomiting when I heard him talk about "reality".
1. Of course the bill will not make any difference in terms of climate change, no bill will do that, even one imposing zero emissions starting tomorrow, unless the whole world does the same; that is not to say that the bill is adequate, even if it was imposed on the whole world; it isn't
2. They use that argument to say that the bill isn't going to solve the problem with climate change so it is not worth hurting the economy with it. That's pure bullshit. Any bill that is going to solve climate change will require the total destruction of the economy because the way our economy is set up is totally incompatible with any kind of long-term ecological sustainability. So the question is do we value our economy more than our lives?
3. They talk about how high energy prices led to the recession and how because of that, there should be no climate change bill. Well, if energy prices skyrocketed and this led to the recession, this might be a clue, following the simplest economic logic that energy supply isn't meeting energy demand. From here to realizing that we have hit Peak Oil is a step that only those who have never heard or thought about the fact that the amount of oil in the ground if finite or those who have done that but have been brainwashed by years of indoctrination in economic theory into thinking that can't be a problem won't make. The argument that because the bill will make energy more expensive the bill shouldn't be passed is, again, bullshit, because due to ruthless geological factor, energy prices will skyrocket beyond anything anyone of them has ever imagined in the not so distant future and this will dwarf any effect the bill will have on them.
My opinion.. the whole economy is screwed and was set up to fail from the start as it is all based on debt. The $ isnt going to last much longer as the only option for the US government is to inflate their currency to pay off their debts to the federal reserve and bonds to foreign countries etc. People are in debt at all levels of society from governments to the general public with no feasable way to pay it off, as all money printed comes with interest attached to it from the banks/federal reserve.
I also believe that global warming is just an excuse to tax the shit out of people to keep the economy afloat for as long as possible. There is physical evidence that we are still coming out of an ice age and the world is heating up as normal as it has done many times in cycles before there were large human civilisations. I agree that burning fossil fuels has an effect to our environment but this is not the cause of ""global warming"".
I also believe that global warming is just an excuse to tax the shit out of people to keep the economy afloat for as long as possible. There is physical evidence that we are still coming out of an ice age and the world is heating up as normal as it has done many times in cycles before there were large human civilisations. I agree that burning fossil fuels has an effect to our environment but this is not the cause of ""global warming"".
At some point everyone among those who have been trying to explain to the rest of the species what our predicament exactly asks himself the following "Why are people not listening? how could they be so stupid? why are they behaving the way they do?, etc
The more you frustration with the futileness of the whole exercise grows (see the comment above this one), the deeper you dig into these question, and there it is mostly some deep evolutionary psychology that gives you the answers.
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The more you frustration with the futileness of the whole exercise grows (see the comment above this one), the deeper you dig into these question, and there it is mostly some deep evolutionary psychology that gives you the answers.
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