Even global climate change can get taxed!

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Ok, ok, 99.8%?



Sure you have.



We don't even have to talk about recent discussions, I'm sure if we look at something from last month we'll see the same pattern. When I give Fhag his walking papers, I make sure you get yours because you're almost always close behind hence the 99.9...oops....99.8%.



It isn't a fallacy when I'm making light of your claims that others are co-signing. You're doing exactly what you claim others are doing and have a history of doing it. You're basically saying, "It's ok for Fhag to act a fool and fuck shit up because he brings entertainment to the threads." And yes, you look as foolish as he does, but that is my opinion, but I'm sure if given enough time I may actually persuade you to see things my way.



No, I don't find anything ironic nor do I need to examine anything I've done. Moreover, I'm not upset with anything the two of you say.
Fhag has a HISTORY of contorting what has been posted which is why I refer to him as Fhag, and he has a history of sticking his foot in his mouth and being called on it. I give it to you straight, uncut and don't give a rats ass if you believe me or listen to what I have to say. In fact, I make it a point to stress that. You don't see me DISRUPTING threads and bringing madness like your hero. You don't see me making threads asking WHY my threads aren't being read. However, your hero has done these things and will continue to do so as long as he has an audience.

Now let me dig into you again, and hopefully you'll say I'm co-signing for I PUK.



Let me make this perfectly clear for you, people are not quick to tell someone to stop posting when they disagree with them. People are told to stop posting when they CONSTANTLY do what Fhag has been doing.



What has he brought to this discussion? Links he doesn't understand? Words out of context? Subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with this topic? You're basically saying, "It's ok for Fhag to act a fool and fuck shit up because he brings entertainment to the threads."



I only had one encounter with Tadou, and after that encounter he left me the hell alone. You can continue to wish upon a star or beg for his return, but it doesn't matter to me.

I have no problem with people co-signing and my initial post on that matter was only to point out that this thread would not have been as interesting without ThaG's perspective.

IMO his "shenanigans" have kept this thread going and made it interesting to read as opposed to having one opinion and a bunch of co-signs.

(the shenanigans quoted to illustrate my divergent perspective on the description of what he was actually bringing to the thread)

I disagree that ThaG "acts a fool", "disrupts" or, "fucks shit up" especially in this instance, so the argument that I am saying it is OK for ThaG "to fuck shit up because it brings entertainment to the thread" is inaccurate. I am saying it is OK to fuck shit up from YOUR perspective because from MY perspective he is bringing a different POV and interesting information to the thread. That is the thing about perspectives.

No matter how you try to spin it now, it was a fallacy and you erred in accusing me of co-signing with ThaG 99.9% of the time.


If you are done pursuing this tangent maybe you could answer my neglected questions posed to you on the first page so I can determine the source of our initial disagreement more on topic with this thread.

Is our current economic model not based on infinite growth?

Do we not live in environment with finite resources?

Could the earth support more people living at the level of Americans?

Do many of the same things that people argue create global warning not also contribute to destroying our environment in ways other than changing the temperature?

 

[HERESY]

I have no problem with people co-signing and my initial post on that matter was only to point out that this thread would not have been as interesting without ThaG's perspective.

In your opinion. Some people could argue that they could have done without his perspective.

I disagree that ThaG "acts a fool", "disrupts" or, "fucks shit up" especially in this instance, so the argument that I am saying it is OK for ThaG "to fuck shit up because it brings entertainment to the thread" is inaccurate.

You disagree because you are doing exactly what you said others were doing, and you will most likely continue to do so. You may disagree all you want, but I can link you to at least five threads that can be found on the first three pages of this forum where MULTIPLE people are asking him to stop doing what he's doing. Moreover, some of the people have asked him in a polite fashion (myself one of them) and you should read the responses he gave.

So no, you can disgaree all you want but the FACTS are he fucks shit up and is continuing to fuck shit up.

I am saying it is OK to fuck shit up from YOUR perspective because from MY perspective he is bringing a different POV and interesting information to the thread. That is the thing about perspectives.

But the consensus in this thread, and in other threads, is that he is fucking shit up. You made a reference to Tadou and in that reference you spoke of entertainment, different perspectives and people wanting him to stop posting. In doing so, you were comparing him to Fhag and vice-versa which is why I said you are doing it for the entertainment value. Now let me rain on your parade once again and show just how low YOUR standards really are.

You said he is bringing a different POV and interesting information to the thread? What information is this? He gave me a bunch of numbers explaining exponential growth, but as soon as I ask him to consider logistic growth, which in this case should be done, what was his reply? He posted a link to a $34 article or book, that has NOTHING to do with global climate change and being taxed. Instead, it has to do with creationalism/intelligent design, but it gets worse. He claimed he was able to see it for free, yet when he is asked to post it he says the numbers can't be cut and pasted. O.K. fine, but when asked to take a pic of the article and post it, what was his reply? Now let's not forget, this is the SAME person that went into MULTIPLE THREADS and fucked them up by posting EXTREMELY LARGE IMAGES, yet when someone asks him to post a jpeg of the info he has access to he can't? :dead:

But let me hear it from you, what new and refreashing information did Fhag bring to this thread? Are you talking about those links he posted on page 1?

No matter how you try to spin it now, it was a fallacy and you erred in accusing me of co-signing with ThaG 99.9% of the time.

Please, learn what a fallacy is before you go throwing the word around, and do yourself a favor and brush up on sarcasm (doing so will actually show you why it isn't a hasty or biased sample fallacy). But fuck it, you co-sign with Fhag 99.9999999999999% of the time. But that's only on Fridays, sport! On sunday you're co-signing with him 99.9999999999999999999999% of the time. I need to do a little bit more research for Tuesdays numbers, and I'll post Mon, Weds, Thurs, Sats numbers next week. Don't worry because there is a 99.9% chance the numbers are accurate. :dead:

If you are done pursuing this tangent maybe you could answer my neglected questions posed to you on the first page so I can determine the source of our initial disagreement more on topic with this thread.

Yes, I'm done pursuing your idiocy, and I'm going to answer your questions. Afterwards, since you want to be Fhags shield bearer I want you to answer the questions posed to him on several pages.

Is our current economic model not based on infinite growth?

Who is "our"?

Do we not live in environment with finite resources?

Who is the "we" you speak of and where exactly is the environment you are talking about?

Could the earth support more people living at the level of Americans?

americans live at different levels. A large percentage of americans live in poverty. However, a very small percentage of americans live in wealth and have control over a vast amount of resources. Therefore, you need to clarify your question and be specific as to what "level" you're talking about.

Do many of the same things that people argue create global warning not also contribute to destroying our environment in ways other than changing the temperature?

Yes, and this was never denied by myself, and oil spills are a prime example of what you speak of.

 

[GTS]

There is a very high probability that I have traveled a lot more and I have lived in much more diverse settings than you have but this doesn't really matter.

The difference between me and you is that I actually care about data and facts while you not only don't care about such things, you openly reject them

data and facts lol more like hypothesis and theories

the difference between me and you is you would coward on the ground in person if we met, you get no respect in person so you try and gain it online. You haven't gotten laid in quite some time and it shows. What do you wake up every morning for?

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Please, learn what a fallacy is before you go throwing the word around

Both sources seem to corroborate my throwing around


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacy


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fallacy

 

[radiostationrep]

Thag has this observation of the human race as if he is looking at us through a microscope. as if he isnt one of us. as if he is some higher power. pychology is pretty interesting, there is no doubt about that. but trying to push your view on things without any relevance to the topic being discussed is the issue. look at where this thread has gone. who is to blame?

 

[GTS]

Thag has this observation of the human race as if he is looking at us through a microscope. as if he isnt one of us. as if he is some higher power. pychology is pretty interesting, there is no doubt about that. but trying to push your view on things without any relevance to the topic being discussed is the issue. look at where this thread has gone. who is to blame?

Great point, whenever someone comes off as so pompous automatically your going to lose your audience. ThaG has all that knowledge but no communication skills or social interaction skills.

 

[ThaG]

Thag has this observation of the human race as if he is looking at us through a microscope. as if he isnt one of us. as if he is some higher power. pychology is pretty interesting, there is no doubt about that. but trying to push your view on things without any relevance to the topic being discussed is the issue. look at where this thread has gone. who is to blame?

data and facts lol more like hypothesis and theories

the difference between me and you is you would coward on the ground in person if we met, you get no respect in person so you try and gain it online. You haven't gotten laid in quite some time and it shows. What do you wake up every morning for?

Does anyone of you have anything of substance to say? Like trying to refute me with valid arguments, and actual data and facts for example

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Does anyone of you have anything of substance to say? Like trying to refute me with valid arguments, and actual data and facts for example

How can you ask for data and facts, when you have not giving any yourself that are remotely relevant to this thread? Linking us to a book does not = facts or data.

 

[HERESY]

Both sources seem to corroborate my throwing around


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fallacy


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fallacy

Out of all the things you choose to quote and respond to you choose one that is going to make you appear as an even bigger fool.

What you posted doesn't corroborate anything you're saying. In regards to the merriams link, it doesn't because there was nothing false or deceptive about what was stated. The only problem here is your inability to understand what was said, how it was said, and because you are in fear of answering everything else that was thrown your way (Fhag this applies to you as well) you'll latch on to anything. You fail to understand that nowhere in this thread am I actually arguing that the number IS a real percentage. BTW, the same can be said for the second link.

So to recap what has previously been posted, It isn't a fallacy when I'm making light of your claims that others are co-signing. You're doing exactly what you claim others are doing and have a history of doing it. Now if I actually argued with you about you doing it 99.9% of the time, and cited small amounts of evidence to support that 99.9% you would really have a point as THAT would be what the premise is based on, and I already made references to which fallacies they would be. However, the premise is not that you do it 99.9% of the time, rather, my whole point is YOU ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY OTHERS ARE DOING.

Now let us address YOUR cosigning. Oops, I already did that in my last response to you and this is what you bring me?

 

[HERESY]

Does anyone of you have anything of substance to say? Like trying to refute me with valid arguments, and actual data and facts for example

Yes, you can refer to pages 2 and 3 for valid arguments, data and facts. In addition, you may also refer to pages 6 and 7. Thanks bud, have a nice one.

 

[james blunt]

what i find most funny about thag is his contempt for religion. what thag doesnt know is that the idea of man made global warming can be traced back to pagan religion which thinks that thrue some sort of sacrifise you will be able to control nature. your satistics that know one here understands (probebly not even your self since this is pseudo sience)and your ranting about the end of the world is not convincing your fake a phony bluff off all people here you are the most religious and you dont even know it you sorry ass dupe .

 

[james blunt]

Has this been posted?

just watched this and there acctully right,putting a even hevier tax burden on production will only wreck the economy even futher it is insanity! the only way out of a deprestion is if you start producing real physical things.things you can eat,drive,wear e.t.c not send trillions of dollars up a black hole created by bankers and then restart another bubble that evetually will pop.And i think people should ask them sefl the quetstion of who is the enemy? the average person who just wants to consume a little bit of energy to maintain a decent stanard of living or is it the finance oligarche who has destroyed the economy.i think the answer is pretty obvious.

But instead of takeing responebillity for there failed policys they try to shift the blame to the little man by telling him that he is a over consuming pig that is to blame for detroying the earth climat.
i am amazed that people acuatlly buy into this crap but then again i guess that people by now are so dumd down ant degraded that they easily will take the blame for anything there goverment tell them they are guillty off.
if the govement tomorrow went out and told public that they where responible for cancer they probebly would belive that to.

 

[ThaG]

If you start producing "real physical things" you are just speeding up the collapse, because natural resources are required to make "real physical things".

That said, it is true that the economic problems of the US come from the fact that few "real physical things" are produced there, but the whole idea of economics is something that has to be thrashed forever if we are to make it and that's one of my main points

 

[james blunt]

If you start producing "real physical things" you are just speeding up the collapse, because natural resources are required to make "real physical things".

That said, it is true that the economic problems of the US come from the fact that few "real physical things" are produced there, but the whole idea of economics is something that has to be thrashed forever if we are to make it and that's one of my main points

the idea that our resources have peeked is nothing you can know for cirtain since know one actually have looked it up instead people have through diffrent models calculated that our resources is running out.it is not a fact it is a beleif that his based on the work of Malthus who was the main idiologe for the british empire.the British empire have always wanted to soake up al reasources for them self and parasite other nations and now when there economic system have collapesed they try to sell us the idea that all reasources is running out and if we demand a higher standard of living we will destroy the environment.
im sorry but have been missled to think this is sience it is not it is a beleif system that serves a idiotic ecnomic model demanded by our rulers the bankers.
the only way out of this is if we invetst in production that actually serves humanity and through that we can hope for new sientific and technological dicoveries that will inprove our civilisation.

so my advice to you is to go and put away your bell and doomsday slogans and start think a little bit more optemistic,dont be fooled by cultural
pessmism that have been forced up on us.

 

[ThaG]

As i have repeatedly said, ignorance and illiteracy are a major reason why we are where wee are now, the above is a truly scary illustration of that.

They are also the major reason why a non-coercive solution of the problem does not exist. The ignorant are too ignorant to understand the seriousness of the situation and what is worse, too ignorant to realize they are ignorant. And it's so bad that they will not only sabotage any potentially working solution, but will accuse you of some world dominance conspiracy if you dare to talk about it. Dunning-Kruger effect at its worst and most destructive.

That's why, ironically, the only solution left is to indeed work on that dreaded world conspiracy and simply get rid of the people who are the problem. Unpleasant, but there are no other options. Unfortuantely, it is increasingly clear that there is nobody driving the train so such a conspiracy is most likely only a fantasy in the minds of the deluded. Otherwise, the problem would have been solved by now.

 

[james blunt]

i dont know if you know but back in the day they used to call the shit you are talking fascism!!!!!!
times have changen now and genaral public wont fall once more for the stupid racial mytholgy fascist belived in at that time so by repacking it in big fuzzy green save the planet pakage dupes like your self is now signing up to become belivers in this new fascist green mythology.

if you think there is no driving force behinde this you are wrong it is just your dumd down post modern edcucation telling you it isn't
this shit has all to do with the deindustralization of the western world which has come about becouse our dear old finace oligarchs are in favor of an economy that is based on paper,
For some reason they dont want to have an economy that is based on production that could provide people with jobs and wellfare. instead the like to keep shit to them self and blow bubbels with our money to it eventually pop and when it pops we are the once who suffer.
In the post industrial world there are lot of us that wont be needed we will be considred usles eaters and they think it would best if lot of us died.
if you dont belive me you just have to look at 3rd world and there you see the true value of a humen life when it's not producing anything.

 

[HERESY]

James, you're wasting your time.

 

[james blunt]

yeah i know some times his bullshit just gets to me

 

[HERESY]

yeah i know some times his bullshit just gets to me

You shouldn't let it get to you. This is the nature of the beast and once you've let him get to you you've lost.

 

[ThaG]

i dont know if you know but back in the day they used to call the shit you are talking fascism!!!!!!

1. Learn what fascism means, then come argue. My views are definitely not fascist
2. I don't understand why people are so much in love with slapping an adjective to something and automatically accepting that from that it follows that this something is false and bad. Evaluate ideas on their own merits, not on the way people think of the term you describe them with, often without understadning its meaning.

times have changen now and genaral public wont fall once more for the stupid racial mytholgy fascist belived in at that time so by repacking it in big fuzzy green save the planet pakage dupes like your self is now signing up to become belivers in this new fascist green mythology.

I have been accused of being racist many times here, and I just can't understand why. I guess it's just another proof that the majority of people are simply unable of connecting two things in a logically accurate chain of reasoning. Has the idea that I were a racist it would be highly unlikely that I will have 7000+ posts on one of the biggest gangsta rap message board in the world ever occurred to you?
The archetypal useless eater looks like this:

And those have to disappear, however, we will make no progress if we just allow everyone else to get to the same condition. And that’s what everyone else wants. That’s why India just told the US to shut the fuck up regarding the 78GW coal-fired power plants it plans on building.

if you think there is no driving force behinde this you are wrong it is just your dumd down post modern edcucation

Do you even know what post-modernism is? Apparently not. Until you learn, you can better just shut up because you’re looking very stupid.

telling you it isn't this shit has all to do with the deindustralization of the western world which has come about becouse are dear old finace oligarchs are in favor of an economy that is based on paper, For some reason they dont want to have an economy that is based on production that could provide people with jobs and wellfare. instead the like to keep shit to them self and blow bubbels with our money to it eventually pop and when it pops we are the once who suffer. In the post industrial world there are lot of us that wont be needed we will be considred usles eaters and they think it would best if lot of us died. if you dont belive me you just have to look at 3rd world and there you see the true value of a humen life when it's not producing anything.

Once again, when you show some basic ability of putting two coherent thoughts together in a logically consistent chain of reasoning, the come argue. Until then there is no point wasting time educating the uneducatable. It is impossible, that’s why I wrote that post two days ago.