Enough is enough...

[CODE]

^^^^
I understand your frustration....don't get mad get even....stack chips and bump into the real estate game down the road yourself....the richest families across the country in every city accumulated their fortune in real estate investing and developing.....it's all about how bad you want it....

In regards to the PDC, they don't dictate who gets projects, it's the deveolers who have viable plans and proposals with the capital to start and finish the project and make the city and neighborhood a more attcactive place to live for everybody....those are the peope who get their tenative plans approved.....However, the people how have the cash to back their projects up, typically happen to be white...and they are given preferential treatment, no question...

the point i'm trin to convey here is that if you have the capital and your vision makes logistical sense, the city is going to approve your project regardless of race...the city doesn't go around offering projects to developers....it's their own intiative, willingness to take risk, and capital that makes it happen.....

More and more cities are promoting a downtown living enviroment and giving developers favaorbale treatment to engage in their downtown multi-family/retail projects...as this happens you are going to see more hot spots get steam rolled and redeveloped..it's not about kickin blacks out of their neighborhood, it's about an economic opportunity, and developers don't give a fuck who lives there or not....it's the killer instinct and thats why these developers/investors have become so succesful....only the strong survive.....these developers are out to count money and they don't give a fuck about anybody else....

In addition, the cities especially yours, which is the one of the whitest big cities in America, is very receptive to cleaing up the downtown area to attract more people to Portland, not to mention sweep the grime out of the metro area. You are going to see more of North Portland converted into yuppy over-priced neighborhoods to live in....

I'm not trin to agrue with you only offer you a different business/economic perspective...

But, I feel ya pain..the only thing I can tell you is stack your chips and makin moves for yourself one day...

 

[Gringo Starr]

Look here homeboy... I don't give a damn how dirty u is, or was or whatever the fuck...if u was to come up to me In MY hood, u aint gonna get fucked wit right away because (u ready??) your skin is white.. Period... It don't matter if ur dirty or not... Shit it even be NIGGAS we don't fuck wit if we don't know em... But I'd trust a nigga in the hood more then a whiteboy... Sorry to hurt yalls feelings or get u all wriled up...

Now in a different setting, say a club or a show or yalls neighborhood or sumthin, I don't have a problem wit white people...

Its a factor of being an "alien" to (once again) MY hood...

Not as much a race thing...

But as far as you poppin off on some callin me out my name shit, if u decide to make ur way down to las vegas, I'd be glad to "talk" wit u... U know.. Show u a good time... Or if u can't make it down here, ill be in seattle in december... We can "disscuss" the whole "muthafucka" thang

U was the one throwin insults all over the place first..

And youre right...hood is hood..and an alien is an alien....so it dont matter WHAT color you are...cut the crap...

You made it sound like if you white in your hood...you a sucka..born or just bendin corners...so be more specific next time....

Muthafucka aint an insult...i was trynna get a point across..

and for someone whos Milado...you sure are on some race type shit...but whatever...do your thing..your life dont concern me as mines dont to you...keep it pushin and best of luck with the music...100

 

[xpanther206]

I understand what you're saying, but I gotta say somethin.. You say "they" like all white people are the ones doing something wrong or "carving out a place for people of color." And who fuckin says "people of color" anymore? Or "colored people" for that matter?

Im pretty surprised you've never heard the term "people of color" before, all that it is is a term encompassing all non-white racial groups. The term is heavily heavily used in academia these days, it is pretty much perceived to be the most politically correct 'safe' term to use. I know where I go to school which is literally 99% democrat, this is the term that is used.

 

[Nonstop]

So me tellin him to not trip, MOST the people on this board is white boys u wouldn't fuck wit in real life, is an insult YOU took offense to??? I thought u was down and grimey and lived in the hood forever.. U should be the LAST person to be offended...

I wasn't specific at all... I said no names... So for all yall to be offended kinda speaks volumes....

I'm not on here for friends.. This aint myspace... I voiced my opinion, and yall don't have to agree...

No I'm not racist... No I don't fuck wit the average white dude in my hood...

Different settings equal different outcomes...

If yall can't tell yet, I love to argue... But I'm already wit u code as far as real estate goes...

 

[Dirty Shoez]

I hate the phrase "blow up", but the NorthWest is definitely capable of pushing serious units, once we can create the base. But first, we need to get Mixtapes and Shows in order.

Shows, we gotta stop the 10 acts/15 minutes shit. Half these cats just want to claim "I OPENED UP FOR SPICE 1 AND E-40!", and don't really care about rocking the crowd and giving them something to remember. So...cut that shit out. One Bay Headliner, One NorthWest headliner (or 2 NW headliners), each for 30-45 minutes...and a good 3-4 other acts that do 20 minutes each. The perfect show. Also makes it easier to memorize everyone's name. And i can't forget about security either....some of them shows are crazy. I'm not usually on no paranoid shit, but I wonder sometimes.


Mixtapes, just plain need to be out there. I remember back in the day, Kaoz and DJ Coma were going to do mixtapes for a solid $5 each that featured purely Bay and NorthWest talent. This is the exact model we need. 1000 CDs can be hard to sell on one area, but if you can imagine 200 each in Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Vancouver BC and Spokane.....its that much easier. $5 retail is the perfect price. Mom and pop shops could run "Buy 3 NW cds, get a free mixtape" specials, you could do "Free Mixtape with entrance" at shows, and all kinds of stuff. Once you bump the retail price up to $10 each, this shit is impossible.


Once these 2 things start coming together, its on. We can go from having All-Over Mixtapes, to having regional (yakima, boise, portland, etc) mixtapes. Once the market is flooded with cheap but QUALITY mixtapes, it'll make touring that much easier. Once there is a demand for tours, there'll be more of a market for artists to go out of town (like Bane is saying). Its one thing to just randomly pick a NW artist or two to tour Cali or the West Coast with you. its another thing when you're picking someone who you KNOW is known throughout the NorthWest, because they have TAKEN YOU ON A NW TOUR and had EVERY EVENT and EVERY CROWD on smash.


Like the other guy said, you need to get the Hood to OK it first...and the Hood aint trying to spend $10 solid for every CD that comes out or show that comes up. Once the hood is bumping mixtapes, from Portland to Settle and back, everybody else will wonder whats up. And if they dig the mixtapes, its only a matter of time before they start picking up Albums and looking for shows to go to. If we can deliver from there, then IMO its on......

 

[mo-x]

And mo, I have nuthin against u.. I know we all have struggle...

We all good, just conversatin and voicing opinions on the 'net... it's nothin... If you gonna be up here in December hit me lets make some music... Real choppers.

 

[I AM]

Im pretty surprised you've never heard the term "people of color" before, all that it is is a term encompassing all non-white racial groups. The term is heavily heavily used in academia these days, it is pretty much perceived to be the most politically correct 'safe' term to use. I know where I go to school which is literally 99% democrat, this is the term that is used.

I have heard the term. I know about it. I'm not stupid, I just didn't realize that people still used that 50's terminology. I don't know about being "politically correct" but whatever. I just don't hear people use that phrase, I dunno if it's cause we're in different places, but in the whole time I lived in Seattle or anywhere near it I never heard anyone (except racist people) called minorities "people of color." White is a color too. You are grouping everyone that isn't white into a group, which seems rather ignorant to me. But I can't say that it's you doing it specifically, it's got a lot to do with how society views shit. But yeah, I don't call mexicans, asians or blacks, "colored people" or "people of color" cause that shit sounds like it's some pre-civil rights movement racist classification bullshit.

 

[xpanther206]

But yeah, I don't call mexicans, asians or blacks, "colored people" or "people of color"

First of all, the two terms are very different.

I've never ever heard it used outside of an academic setting, mostly by racial studies/american studies profs who aren't white themselves. It sounds nerdy as hell. But the two terms you threw in there are very different.

 

[Rose_Red]

I say Crackers Beaners and Niggaz...keep it real

 

[I AM]

First of all, the two terms are very different.

I've never ever heard it used outside of an academic setting, mostly by racial studies/american studies profs who aren't white themselves. It sounds nerdy as hell. But the two terms you threw in there are very different.

The two terms are not all that different. Just cause a prof uses them doesn't mean shit. I have profs that say fuck, shit, and bitch. But that doesn't mean they should talk like that. The reason I used those two statements is cause you and non stop both said them, and they are strongly related statements and if you disagree I don't know what the fuck to tell you besides don't agree with everything cause a superior or someone that you think is smarter than you does it like that. It's cool to disagree, but I'm actually interested in this, cause to me, both of those terms mean the same shit. "Colored people" vs. "people of color." Same thing, only one doesnt have the word "of." Either way, you are talking about people that are "colored" aka non-whites, and to lump everyone who isn't white into one catagory is NOT politcally correct nor is it very intelligent.

 

[Living Legend]

^^don't even waste anytime tryin toi argue on the siccnes.... Erryone wanna act like they'll buy u a plane ticket to fight u, when most likely they'd shake ur hand in person.. Or wouldn't say shit to u...

Just get in the streets and stay grindin for the town... Fuck the internet... I come here to read shit... Most the time I don't feel the need to post cause there's nuthin I really need to speak on... Its the internet tho.. Mostly erryone on here is white, and u prolly wouldn't fuck wit them in real life unless u was sellin em skittles or smokin they weed.. Don't trip off nuthin u see on here...

On top of that, he is arguing with a dude that posts under two different screen names in a thread he created...phuckin whitebois!!!!

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

On top of that, he is arguing with a dude that posts under two different screen names in a thread he created...phuckin whitebois!!!!

I POST UNDER ONE SCREEN NAME AT WORK..ANOTHER AT HOME...KNOW SOMETHIN BEFORE YOU TYPE IT DIPSHIT....

AND I GOT YOUR "WHITEBOI"....

IVE ABOUT HAD IT WITH THE RACIST SHIT IN HERE...SERIOUSLY...IF ANYONE WANNA CALL ME A WHITEBOY TO MY FACE YOU CAN HAVE THE ADDY....

 

[White Boy Will]

So me tellin him to not trip, MOST the people on this board is white boys u wouldn't fuck wit in real life, is an insult YOU took offense to??? I thought u was down and grimey and lived in the hood forever.. U should be the LAST person to be offended...

I wasn't specific at all... I said no names... So for all yall to be offended kinda speaks volumes....

I'm not on here for friends.. This aint myspace... I voiced my opinion, and yall don't have to agree...

No I'm not racist... No I don't fuck wit the average white dude in my hood...

Different settings equal different outcomes...

If yall can't tell yet, I love to argue... But I'm already wit u code as far as real estate goes...

As far as what Nonstop has been saying, it is all real shit. I agree with the man an all of it. 30 years in Portland now. I am from the North side, lived in the Columbia Villa. I had to move out when they knocked it all down to start work on the Hope 6 Project (New Columbia) I been in the hood where I am the only white cat around. I spent time and made my money on N. Mississippi. You drive down that street now you see all new buildings, businesses, coffee shops and white people everywhere. Old white ladies walking there dogs in the middle of the night and all that.



As far as the white cats that are getting mad over what is being said on here. You need to stop trippin. Do not make the rest of look bad cause you are all up in your feelings. If you are white and from the hood, dirty, grimy and all your friends are black and they show you love like you say. Then you should understand how life in the hood works. That is if you are who you say you are.

 

[45Yr Old Virgin]

bwahahha, for some reason, that scene from don't be a menace to south central while drinking your juice where bernie mac is doing that one part where the black cops i saying i hate wesley snipes black lips black blah blah blah......i personally hate catholics ~

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

As far as the white cats that are getting mad over what is being said on here. You need to stop trippin. Do not make the rest of look bad cause you are all up in your feelings. If you are white and from the hood, dirty, grimy and all your friends are black and they show you love like you say. Then you should understand how life in the hood works. That is if you are who you say you are.

Nobody over here has got hurt feelings. I don't take a converation on an internet message board with people I ain't never met seriously enough to get anything other than amusement. Secondly, Ill I am saying is this. I understand exactly what nonstop is saying. The white guy in the black neighborhood DOES look out of place and its not wrong for people to be suspicious after the treatment they can get from white cops. If you grew up around all black folks you are gonna be more aware of the white guy in your hood. Like nonstop said he is more suspicious of whiteboys because they look out of place where he is from. I would be the same. However, I do have a problem with him coming on here and saying "Mostly erryone on here is white" like it was a handicap or some shit when it had nothing to do with the conversation at hand. The thread was about the NW trying to be like the bay. What does being white have to do with that conversation? Nothing, and thats the why I thought it was disrecpectful.

And if you think other people are making you look bad, you need to just do you and not worry about the next man. I am far from trippin but I felt the need to voice my opinion. If any of my friends call me whiteboy, wigga, whatever I dont give a fuck CAUSE THEY ARE MY FRIENDS, they can call me whatever the fuck they want an Im gonna do the same to them. But I respect myself enough that if someone I dont know is saying that mess to me in person, I am gonna react just like a blackman would to a white stranger saying something about his race.

 

[White Boy Will]

^^^ That is what I am saying. But some people on here don't understand and want to get mad over what the next man said. It's all love fam.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

The two terms are not all that different. Just cause a prof uses them doesn't mean shit. I have profs that say fuck, shit, and bitch. But that doesn't mean they should talk like that. The reason I used those two statements is cause you and non stop both said them, and they are strongly related statements and if you disagree I don't know what the fuck to tell you besides don't agree with everything cause a superior or someone that you think is smarter than you does it like that. It's cool to disagree, but I'm actually interested in this, cause to me, both of those terms mean the same shit. "Colored people" vs. "people of color." Same thing, only one doesnt have the word "of." Either way, you are talking about people that are "colored" aka non-whites, and to lump everyone who isn't white into one catagory is NOT politcally correct nor is it very intelligent.

I can't sit back and read this crap any longer.

I say people of color all the time, and I dare anyone to tell me--a person of color--that it is politically incorrect. Talk about being politically incorrect--it's politically incorrect to pre-ban any phrase that you deem might potentially BE politically incorrect in the wrong situation...if that makes any sense.

Its the same situation with the word Mexican. Even if you're talking about someone who REALLY IS Mexican, sometimes it can feel uncomfortable saying it.

"Yeah, i was hanging out with my friend, and this Mexican walked up to me and...." -- The guy could be wearing his "I LOVE MEXICO" shirt and everything, but if you are a politically hypersensitive person, it will feel uncomfortable regardless. Part of you will YEARN to say "Latino man" or similar. This is your own problem however--and not one you ought to project onto other people.

I have said people of color for years now, and I will continue to say it, regardless of what non-persons of color have to say about it.

Thank you, and i yield back the balance of my time. :eyecross:

 

[KALYN]

.. Mexican Mexican... beaner beaner burrito... wtf..

 

[xpanther206]

Either way, you are talking about people that are "colored" aka non-whites, and to lump everyone who isn't white into one catagory is NOT politcally correct nor is it very intelligent.

I don't follow. Nobody's saying all people of color are all the same, of course the histories are different and each individual shouldn't be stripped of their individuality etc etc all that shit I know.

What the term implies, why it is used and why it is convenient is because of common experiences i.e. they are poor, they live in segregated urban communities, they suffer from police brutality etc etc etc. You're getting your panties up in a bunch and not knowing what you're saying.

So it's "not very intelligent" to say that people of color make up 30% of the population of Seattle? It is true, so I don't see how saying that can't be very intelligent.

SO it's "not very politically correct" to say people of color have more obstacles to upward mobility than whites? I would say that is very politically correct.

You're paying all your attention to the terms and none to the usage, that is not very intelligent.

 

[xpanther206]

LOL when colleges offer scholarships intended for particular populations, "PEOPLE OF COLOR" is the term of choice. They don't give a damn if it's a black dude or a Mexican dude or whatever, they just want one of them so they need a term that's inclusive to both groups (Asians often don't qualify for "people of color/minority" scholarships because the college doesn't have a shortage of them and their economically better off) and "PEOPLE OF COLOR" is the prevailing terminology in all the documents and dialogue.

It works a hell of a lot better than "MINORITY" because try telling a black man in Detroit or a Mexican in LA that he's a 'minority,' it doesn't go over very well and it's not factually true.

If you got problems with that term then best shut your ears and close your eyes in any sort of American Studies/Racial Studies/Racial Dialogue situation because you'll hear it a LOT.