Do you believe in the Power of Prayer?

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Do you believe in the power of prayer and faith?


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#41
How do you know Santa Clause isnt real? I am positive with my whole heart he is real, why do you bash people that believe in Santa Clause and say he isnt real!!!!!?

I dont have any proof he is real, I just know he is!

Now, how does that sound?




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Kind of like my faith in Jesus? Is that what you’re getting at? lol
 
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#42
Kind of like my faith in Jesus? Is that what you’re getting at? lol
Speedy...I do not mean bash you homie, but it is the same exact principal. As soon as you brought Santa Clause into the picture I just thought....

"Damn, he doesnt see its the exact same thing"

You believe that prayer helps but you do not have any proof that it does. Stockton can talk about his mom being healed, but I can talk about my pops not being healed and praying (along with my mom and other family) for being healed. see what I am getting at?

For the exact same reason Stockton believes in Prayer/God/Jesus.....
I do not believe in those fairy tales.

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ive never ever ever heard of someone praying to santa and seeing miracles, santa doesnt have personal relationships with anybody.


on another note, i doubt anyone really understood my previous post, cause people started posting more shit about money. lol

as far as disease, that comes as part of humans fall from grace i believe, i have no real proof of this, so i wont argue, but i remember hearing that certain misfortunes and imperfections in humans came from our fall from grace in the garden
 
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#44
ive never ever ever heard of someone praying to santa and seeing miracles, santa doesnt have personal relationships with anybody.
But see...this goes right back to where I am standing on your beliefs.

How can you prove Santa Clause doesnt have personal relationships?
How did you come to realize Santa Clause isnt real?
What, he was only real when you were little and now that you are an older person you "know better"?

There is NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE santa clause exist, thus, he does not exist.

WE ALL KNOW THIS.

So why is it so hard for you to understand why Santa Clause, easter bunny, Jesus, Satan, Lepercaun (sp?), tooth Fairy, etc.....are all in the same EXACT boat.

with the exception that Jesus was a real person....

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Like I said in my first post God answers all prayers. He just doesn’t say yes to all of them. My mother has had Multiple Sclerosis for the past 10 years. And we prayed and prayed she would be healed. But she hasn’t and probably never will. God has his reason, I can't say that I understand them. But my mother is a very inspirational woman. I'm sure you look up to your father for coping with his sickness, because you don't know how you would act if you were that sick. Also the prophecies being fulfilled in this modern age is what reminds me that the bible is very real. But I respect your opinion; it’s not easy to believe in something that is not proven by science. But there are many reasons why I believe in my faith, I know there are a lot of idiots who are followers/insecure who have a religion to be part of something because it makes them feel good. For me is deeper then that, I like to think of myself as a smart individual who doesn’t believe everything he is told.
 
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#46
"Is god willing to prevent evil but unable? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?"--Epicurus

Why call him god if he is unwilling?


But I respect your opinion; it’s not easy to believe in something that is not proven by science.
No one needs science to disprove God. All anyone would simple need is a problem in there life.

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nhojsmith said:
prayer can be emotionally powerful for people who deeply or even passingly believe in it, and can comfort them in times when they are confused. like meditation. does me praying for money increase my chance of getting more money? the answer could be yes. if ive devoted enough time praying and asking for something, im likely to make that one of my goals, and even if only subconciously, i will strive to make that happen, that in itself could yield something.

but can i pray to god, a higher all knowing entity, that he will make somebody with no legs walk, or make a retarded child fly like an eagle, and will that god selectively listen to peoples cries for help granting and not granting answers to prayers like the wizard of oz, picking and choosing among his "equal" children, and the higher power might change the events of reality if he is in the mood for the day or if you kiss his ass enough like some low paid career failure substitute teacher seeking evidence that he is actually needed in society? no, i dont.

edit: i believe that there is power of prayer and faith, and that within the individual is where this power lies. many religions, for varying reasons, have nonetheless taught people that they are in fact powerless unless they give themselves over to blind obedience, they are taught that they are impure and unworthy without religion, so once this power is realized, they give credit to the religion, instead of realizing that the power was within them all along.
good post, more or less how I feel about prayer..
 

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2-0-NINE said:
No one is bashing anyone in this thread the typical JLMACN shows up talking shit, the first shit talker. Anyways to answer ThaG's question if how the bible is true. The Jews had written the Torah and the Tanakh(The Whole old testament) before the scrolls or originals were scattered, maybe throughout the whole time the bible was written or the Diaspora. Anyways, a few of the original scrolls were found damaged and some were found whole. See dead sea scrolls for a better understanding. A good example is the book of Isaiah, the manuscripts are copies of the original, so as copies scholars are automatically going to question the authenticity of the book. Although many of the dead sea scrolls(or originals) were found in fragments. Look for the Masoretic texts, these are manuscripts or copies.

To make my digression short, scholars put the scrolls found of Isaiah side to side with the Hebrew Manuscripts, and guess what? The original hebrew scrolls along with the masoretic texts were indistinguishable. As close as it gets, al dente or close to perfect. The only thing that people will use as an excuse is the use of modern day language, but there was no mistake in the indistinguishable texts. Could stories written down and passed down generation to generations, called false, then later to be confirmed be a coincidence? I don't think so. I highly suggest you look more into the masoretic texts and the correlation between them and the dead sea scrolls.

The Links I gave you should suffice in terms of the information you would need. But knowing wikipedia you should also do your own study.
apparently my understanding of the word "evidence" and yours are very different
 

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speedy gonzalez said:
I don't get why people are so negative about something that doesn’t even exist to them? Shit I don't believe in Santa Clause but I don't slander him, because he is not real to me. Most of you guys just want a reaction out of people. Prayer is very real, I don’t have any proof that it is. But I have stories that I was actually a part of, but I’m sure you guys don’t want to hear my about my fantasy land. So I won’t go there.
kids don't go out and try to ban teaching science in schools because science tells them there is no Santa Claus:ermm:
 
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2-0-NINE said:
Whose to say your prayer being answered is guaranteed? It's not always a given and people will see this as hypocrisy on the part of God. ThaG made a good point, people pray and they still die. Can I easily say I have more faith, can I easily say that I was chosen to have my prayers answered, certainly but I will not do so because I have my own reasons, but I do believe there are times when your prayers are answered and when they are not.

Living a life in total faith is a big leap, but living in faith doesn't mean that you should remain stagnant and watch as the Lord does everything for you. You've heard the saying God helps those who help themselves, I disagree with that cliche but I do agree to some extent. If you ask God to help you financially, do you expect him to send you a check for a million dollars? Or from a more realistic standpoint, he'll created opportunities for you and it's left up to you to excel and get to where you need in life to make that money. I think that's more rational then just sitting down on the siccness and waiting for a check or miracle to happen when you plan on not doing shit.

But I will tell you this, I know people that have prayed and worked their asses of only to be disappointed and give up on prayer and faith. Then there are some that never gave up and they either got what they prayed for due to their patients or never got what they prayed for but still lived in faith. God is a give and take here people. Don't hate God, don't hate the faith, don't hate the people, but hate yourself for being so miserable.
I agree with some of what you said, but you didn't really answer my question.
 

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JLMACN said:
"Is god willing to prevent evil but unable? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he is both able and willing, then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?"--Epicurus
very good point

and what about all these people:











What was their sin??

Or they didn't prayed hard enough while still in the uterus??

What does Jesus says about this? These are not diseases that "put your faith to the test", you are 99.99999% dead by your first year with any of these....
 
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ThaG said:
very good point

and what about all these people:











What was their sin??

Or they didn't prayed hard enough while still in the uterus??

What does Jesus says about this? These are not diseases that "put your faith to the test", you are 99.99999% dead by your first year with any of these....
Science had more to do with those then Jesus.
 

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GTS said:
Science had more to do with those then Jesus.
Really??

I take this as an attempt to say that the chemical industry is responsible for those pictures...

1. I don't know whether you are aware of this but there is a fine distinction between mutagenesis and teratogenesis

2. There's been babies born like this ever since humanity exists and animals are born like this too

http://www.messybeast.com/freak-face.htm

3. I posted pictures of Harlequine syndrome, Anencephaly, phocomelia, Cyclopia and Patau syndrome in that order

Cyclopia is often caused by cyclopamine which is a teratogenic alkaloid in Veratrum californicum... This weed is God's creation according to Christianity so God is directly responsible for every case of cyclopia caused by this alkaloid. It can be caused by genetic defects too, one of which is trisomy 13

Trisomy 13 results in Patau syndrome (the last picture). The trisomy itself results from non-disjunction of chromosomes during meiosis. Chemicals can disturb the process but it is usually random stochastic event, exactly what religious dumbfucks would say is God's work. I hold God directly responsible for every case of Patau syndrome

Now anencephaly and milder neural tube defects often result from messing up RA signaling and thalidomide is often the cause of phocomelia but both of these can be caused by mutations too, for example deletions of 13q12; there is actually a familiar form of phocomelia

Harlequin syndrome





appears to be inherited, although the exact locus is not known (or at least I can't find it)



and these are just some of the thousands of nasty diseases caused by mistakes in cell division and replication, mistakes caused by the inaccuracy of replication and cell cycle machinery (or by God in the "alternative worldview"), not by chemicals synthesized by the "evil scientists"

and all these diseases were there long before the "evil scientists" started creating devilish compounds designed to poison the world....
 
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And what of exercising telepathy with the deceased? Communicating with your own subconscious? Sending positive energy to someone in need, blessing them?
 
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ThaG said:
Really??

I take this as an attempt to say that the chemical industry is responsible for those pictures...

1. I don't know whether you are aware of this but there is a fine distinction between mutagenesis and teratogenesis

2. There's been babies born like this ever since humanity exists and animals are born like this too

http://www.messybeast.com/freak-face.htm

3. I posted pictures of Harlequine syndrome, Anencephaly, phocomelia, Cyclopia and Patau syndrome in that order

Cyclopia is often caused by cyclopamine which is a teratogenic alkaloid in Veratrum californicum... This weed is God's creation according to Christianity so God is directly responsible for every case of cyclopia caused by this alkaloid. It can be caused by genetic defects too, one of which is trisomy 13

Trisomy 13 results in Patau syndrome (the last picture). The trisomy itself results from non-disjunction of chromosomes during meiosis. Chemicals can disturb the process but it is usually random stochastic event, exactly what religious dumbfucks would say is God's work. I hold God directly responsible for every case of Patau syndrome

Now anencephaly and milder neural tube defects often result from messing up RA signaling and thalidomide is often the cause of phocomelia but both of these can be caused by mutations too, for example deletions of 13q12; there is actually a familiar form of phocomelia

Harlequin syndrome





appears to be inherited, although the exact locus is not known (or at least I can't find it)



and these are just some of the thousands of nasty diseases caused by mistakes in cell division and replication, mistakes caused by the inaccuracy of replication and cell cycle machinery (or by God in the "alternative worldview"), not by chemicals synthesized by the "evil scientists"

and all these diseases were there long before the "evil scientists" started creating devilish compounds designed to poison the world....
This is some pretty tough ownage right here.

I am learning this in school right now, shit is crazy.
 
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JLMACN said:
fake and lies...

5000
Half of you response to the quote is true, for one it's all lies but it's not fake. Like I said believing in a god or The God is a give and take and no one will ever know only those that adhere to beliefs/faiths/religions. I'm just so happy that under the circumstances my family and I were in our prayers were answered.

@ThaG that is a very typical cop out for many atheists to use against God. Would God allow evil, of course he created it. For those that believe in omnipotent authority, here's something rhetorical. Could the creator of all things not allow certain things to happen if it is his will? Things like these are the natural process of life as you would put it ThaG. Just like how I get sick and people die, it's a natural process right? So since August of Last year until June, I had an illness that could have killed me. Did I buckle at the knees, did I whine, did I blame God? No, I was the one to blame for my illness and the natural process of Life.

Like I've said time and time and again, it's a give and take. People will find "their way" while others will probably never find theirs. As ironic as that sounds I don't see how you can blame God.