Deangelo Hall to the Raiders?

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lol all you said was the raiders lost more games then the niners then called them faggots...... damn that was like a mike tyson right hook in his prime:rolleyes:!!!!!! haha

ACTUALLY.. I HAVE ALL KINDS OF QUALITY INFO ALL OVER THIS THREAD.. SO IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.. NOT EVEN A QUALITY INSULT ON THE RAIDERS OR AL DAVIS.. MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST KEEP IT PUSHIN'. BUT HEY BRUH DO WHAT YOU DO!
 
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ok let me give you a quality insult that you would like "THE RAIDERS ARE FAGGOTS AND CAN'T EVEN WIN MORE THEN THE UNDERACHIEVING 49'ERS"

lol i was just giving you shit because you said new material then called the team faggots, not to say I don't call people faggots, lets just not get on people for 'new/old material' when using probably the most over used comeback of the past 10 years
 

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i think my pats are facing ur raiders and Niners. imma talk hella shit like y'all that week lol. just to see how it is. and if we win u will not hear the end just like i wouldnt if we losthahaha. i hope moss has 5 td catches each for 30+ yds on the riaders secondary. and i hope Maroney and Morris run right threw ur linebacking crew Niners. ahahaha feels kinda good
derrick burgess is gonna injure Tom "I get fucked in my ass by Moss and it makes me feel Randy in more ways then one" Brady, Hall is gonna have two picks covering Welker and Moss will be a non factor due to getting shut down by Nnamdi. I hope y'all play (and destroy) the 9ers first tho :cheeky:
 

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D. Hall needs to prove he's a shut down corner like he claims to be. he cant defend the long ball for shit and i'm not sure how he is at tackling but he be getting burned alot on plays. whoever with his speed he is capable of becoming what people make him out to be he just needs to do it ya know.

He had one kind of off year in ATL now that he's a Raider everyone wants to hate on the man. D. Hall can tackle...
 
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Metrics???? Who cares about metrics. Mooreblock who would you rather have on your on defense... D. Hall or Pacman? You can't tell us that Pacman is a better corner than D. Hall....
its the only way to see how a corner is performing.......pacman before he got suspended was labeled as a SHUTDOWN corner...hall has allways made plays but FAILED to shutdown top WRs....


pacman on the field>d hallx2


plus pacman could be a top return man too.....


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pacman before he got suspended was labeled as a SHUTDOWN corner
NO. HE WASN'T. SHOW ME ONE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT WHICH WAS NOT WRITTEN IN TENNESSE.

pacman on the field>d hallx2
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ANOTHER RIDICULOUS STATEMENT THAT IS NOT ROOTED IN ANY KIND OF FACT. AND SAVE THAT METRICS SHIT.

plus pacman could be a top return man too.....
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D HALL COULDN'T? EVER SEEN HOW FAR HE USUALLY RUNS BACK HIS PICKS? EVER SEEN HOW BLINDINGLY FAST THE GUY IS. HE'S ONE OF THE FASTEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE. COME ON BRUH.


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LOL... at Pac-Man being labled a shutdown corner... That's too funny. Who has Pac-Man "shutdown" besides a couple of strip clubs?
 
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NO. HE WASN'T. SHOW ME ONE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT WHICH WAS NOT WRITTEN IN TENNESSE.



ANOTHER RIDICULOUS STATEMENT THAT IS NOT ROOTED IN ANY KIND OF FACT. AND SAVE THAT METRICS SHIT.



D HALL COULDN'T? EVER SEEN HOW FAR HE USUALLY RUNS BACK HIS PICKS? EVER SEEN HOW BLINDINGLY FAST THE GUY IS. HE'S ONE OF THE FASTEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE. COME ON BRUH.


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i dont get the "save the metrics" shit......how else do you compare two dbs.....watch one get burnt for a touchdown, cry, then get spit on, followed by some more cryin?
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the year before pac was suspended.....his break out sophmore sason
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Here's a look at the players who are best in the metrics, based on the data collected so far. We're listing players with a minimum of 30 passes. First, the top 10 in Stop Rate. (Stop Rate measures percentage of plays that do not achieve offensive success by Football Outsiders standards: 45% of yards on first down, 60% on second down, 100% on third down.)

* 32-A.Jones TEN 52 65%
* 28-L.Bodden CLE 31 65%
* 31-R.Marshall CAR 35 63%
* 33-C.Tillman CHI 75 63%
* 21-C.McAlister BAL 53 62%
* 20-C.Gamble CAR 38 61%
* 29-D.Florence SD 55 60%
* 26-L.Sheppard PHI 35 60%
* 22-F.Thomas NO 49 59%
* 36-D.Barrett NYJ 34 59%

The other number listed is number of charted passes. First of all, I should point out one player who ISN'T listed here, because I made the cut-off 30 passes. Antonio Cromartie has a Stop Rate of 69% with 28 charted passes. Wow, was I wrong when I thought the Chargers made a mistake because Cromartie would require years to learn to play corner in the NFL. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Then we've got Pac-Man, who probably should have made the AFC Pro Bowl team over Rashean Mathis, and our boy Leigh Bodden -- remember, this doesn't include the recent games where Bodden played hurt and not up to his previous level. Fred Thomas is still on this list for the same reason, because he played so well early in the year, and this doesn't include those recent games where he got torched like Johnny Storm. I'm a little surprised to see two Panthers on the list, since I thought the secondary was one of the big reasons they didn't live up to their Super Bowl potential this year. And I read some San Diego blog where some guy was talking about Quentin Jammer having a huge year this year. Actually, by our numbers he's the only one of the three San Diego cornerbacks who still qualifies as a weakness.

The top 10 in yards per play:

* 36-D.Barrett NYJ 34 4.5
* 28-L.Bodden CLE 31 4.6
* 22-A.Samuel NE 53 4.7
* 27-W.Harris SF 48 5.0
* 25-R.McQuarters NYG 35 5.0
* 31-N.Vasher CHI 44 5.4
* 31-C.Finnegan TEN 30 5.4
* 32-A.Jones TEN 52 5.5
* 26-L.Sheppard PHI 35 5.5
* 31-R.Marshall CAR 35 5.5


To finish up, here's a look at the worst cornerbacks so far by these metrics
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yards per pass:

* 22-S.Rolle BAL 46 14.1
* 22-Tr.Fisher STL 42 10.7
* 26-T.Hill STL 40 10.7
* 21-J.Fletcher DET 32 10.4
* 20-T.James CIN 42 10.0
* 21-R.Hill TEN 45 10.0
* 27-J.Webster ATL 52 9.9
* 24-T.Law KC 35 9.7
* 29-B.Williams JAC 47 9.6
* 24-I.Taylor PIT 67 9.3

You can be very sure that Bill Belichick, Marty Schottenheimer, and Tony Dungy know who to pick on if/when they face the Ravens in January. Also, Ty Law is over the hill -- his metrics were awful in New York last year too -- and the Rams' defensive backfield is horrific.

proof is in the pudding pacman played at the level (when he was on the field) of the top dbs in the leauge.....choose to believe it or not metrics are the ONLY way to compare dbs....
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Who cares about metrics. From what I've seen on the field Hall is better than Pac-Man and Pac-Man was probably drafted higher. Pac-Man hasn't even been on the field long enough to cover some of the best WR's man to man.... when he did... he was getting burned too... I remember Jerry Porter burning him and Jerry Porter isn't even one of the best WR's in the NFL.
 
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he didnt play at he level he did his sophmore year.....your right pacman hasnt played all the best WR but he has played THE BEST wideout in the leauge 4 times (marvin harrison).....

metrics are the only proof we can show......sorry your guy didnt make the list and mine did.....its the way people compare em and if you choose not to accept that then it is what it is......no one is going to prove you wrong about your new found love in dhall......that is all
 

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Marvin Harrison is not "THE BEST" wideout in the league. That would go to T.O. or Randy Moss. And are you sure Pac-Man was on field (not serving his suspension) when the Titans faced the Colts those 4 times?
 
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the colts and titans play 2 times a year......pacman was starting every game except one in his sophmore year.....



marvin harrison is the best WR in the leauge...gurus of the game choose to believe this....randy moss and to are very good too but are not better then marivn harrison.....his numbers/career numbers all go against what your saying.......now how are you going to prove to me im wrong......"i just think on the field T.O. plays better then harrison" <- NOT GOING TO CUT IT.......


also pacman HAS played T.O. in one of the first game that he was a cowboy...and id say that was pacmans 2nd best game of his career.....behind the giants game that same year were he made two pretty much back to back ints to get us a huge comeback win
 
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I'M HAVING TROUBLE QUOTING YOU MOOREBLOCK.. SO I'L JUST POST IT.

THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH METRICS IS IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A WAY TO GUAGE THE TRUE "SHUT DOWN CORNERS," AKA: THE GUYS WHO DON'T EVEN GET THEIR SIDE OF THE FIELD THROWN TO. PEOPLE LIKE CHAMP BAILEY, NNAMDI ASOMUGHA, WOODSON IN HIS PRIME, ETC. THOS ARE TRUE SHUT DOWN CORNERS.
 

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Marvin Harrison is a great receiver who is fortunite enough to play with one of the greatest Qb's of all time his whole career so I can't take anything away from him. But to say that's he's better than T.O. or Randy Moss is just insane...

Marvin Harrison tends to soften up a bit come playoff time... He has trouble with DB's that get physical with him off of the line of scrimmage. Check his playoff stats and then tell me he's better than Moss or T.O.

That's too funny...

You see what Moss did once he hooked up with one of the best QB's in the game right?
 
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dhall is not in that catagory.....we all know who is saved by the metrics, champ every year and so on.....we all know that and DHALL ISNT one of em....so him not being on there doesnt get you by......this is the gauge of corners in the leauge that arent the 3or4 best but ALL THE REST.....


miss me with that people know metrics as the only way to compare......what else can i prove to you? its all there......brace it or not....
 

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I'M HAVING TROUBLE QUOTING YOU MOOREBLOCK.. SO I'L JUST POST IT.

THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH METRICS IS IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A WAY TO GUAGE THE TRUE "SHUT DOWN CORNERS," AKA: THE GUYS WHO DON'T EVEN GET THEIR SIDE OF THE FIELD THROWN TO. PEOPLE LIKE CHAMP BAILEY, NNAMDI ASOMUGHA, WOODSON IN HIS PRIME, ETC. THOS ARE TRUE SHUT DOWN CORNERS.
Good point!
 
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Marvin Harrison is a great receiver who is fortunite enough to play with one of the greatest Qb's of all time his whole career so I can't take anything away from him. But to say that's he's better than T.O. or Randy Moss is just insane...

Marvin Harrison tends to soften up a bit come playoff time... He has trouble with DB's that get physical with him off of the line of scrimmage. Check his playoff stats and then tell me he's better than Moss or T.O.

That's too funny...

You see what Moss did once he hooked up with one of the best QB's in the game right?

had a whole bunch of TDs just like marivn harrison did when peyton made his streak and got 49 for the year????




im saying GURUS of the game.....not lousy fans like us choose marvin harrison to be the best wideout in the game......ESPN.....madden.....i believe dudes that put there whole life on football (football 24/7) to make a better choice then tony.....your opinion is your opinion....stats are the only way to prove something in sports....maybe harrison droped stat wise once he hit the playoffs.....but i was hearing ALL THE BLAME ON PEYTON all those years...."he couldnt win the big game hes not clutch blah blah balh"......i never heard "harrison sure quit on us in the playoffs no wonder we lost before going to the SB"
 

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had a whole bunch of TDs just like marivn harrison did when peyton made his streak and got 49 for the year????




im saying GURUS of the game.....not lousy fans like us choose marvin harrison to be the best wideout in the game......ESPN.....madden.....i believe dudes that put there whole life on football (football 24/7) to make a better choice then tony.....your opinion is your opinion....stats are the only way to prove something in sports....maybe harrison droped stat wise once he hit the playoffs.....but i was hearing ALL THE BLAME ON PEYTON all those years...."he couldnt win the big game hes not clutch blah blah balh"......i never heard "harrison sure quit on us in the playoffs no wonder we lost before going to the SB"
Moss has been playing since 1998 and has 124 TD's.
Harrison has been playing since 1996 and has 123 TD's.
T.O. has been playing since 1996 also and has 129 TD's.

Harrison has benefited from having played with Peyton Manning for most of his career. T.O. and Moss have played with different Qb's and they still have more TD receptions than Harrison (who you and the gurus say is the best wide receiver in the NFL) LOL

Like I said Moss or T.O. is the best receiver in the game and that's a fact not an opinion from a lousy fan.