The truth is, we are just fans not judges. As fans, we get to watch fights with punch stats round per round and make our decisions based on that. But as judges they get to see none of that. The first Castillo fight everyone knew Floyd lost. The fight with De la Hoya was just abullshit fight to help promote GBP and Mayweather to what they are today. That was rigged. The first fight with Maidana was too close to call. The separation of just 10 total punches can not be noted unless we saw that stats after the foght. But even that stat shows the fight was a draw. Maidana won 6 rounds and Floyd won 6 based on total punches landed. We can play with stats all day and I can make it sound like Floyd lost 2 fights really, but the only way to beat Mayweather is to be a legit superstar boxer with headlining experience and really isn't scared to lose. That's why a lot of people believe Manny would win.
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hersey isn't saying there is no way he can beat he's asking wtf would be the plan, "Can he be beat? Yes but what is the plan?" - hersey. man, you're retarded and can't comprehend a simple discussion . every boxer in the history of boxing is capable of being beat, no one is immortal. talking about what would be the best strategy for a fighter to beat someone isn't hating you sensitive clit
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I just think it's funny when fans of fighters talk about them like it's their dad out in the ring, getting sensitive about any critiques they may get. No fighter is invincible, period.
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As annoying as
@CZAR
can seem, he's just a fan and he's remaining a fan. Unless we are legit trainers to pro fighters or pro fighters ourselves we can't speak on plans and strategies. We bring up stats and strategies like we are in the ring when we are not. We are just critics. He's a fan and and stays in his lane and that's needed sometimes. That's why we sound like haters.
@CZAR
can seem, he's just a fan and he's remaining a fan. Unless we are legit trainers to pro fighters or pro fighters ourselves we can't speak on plans and strategies. We bring up stats and strategies like we are in the ring when we are not. We are just critics. He's a fan and and stays in his lane and that's needed sometimes. That's why we sound like haters.
because everyone can be beat. it's simple. The fact that Floyd is undefeated is an amazing accomplishment, it's not easy especially out of all the whacky and random things that can go wrong in a fight, and of course bad decisions.
Rocky Marciano never lost. Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe never lost. Doesn't mean there is no blueprint to beat them or that they are unbeatable. Just fortunate enough they didn't have to fight in different era's and/or ducked certain prime fighters.
I have no problem with you being a fanboy of Floyd, boxing is largely about fan bases. that's great. my problem was you calling us haters just because we were having a discussion on what WE thought are the best strategies and attributes to beat Floyd. It's a compliment on how good Floyd is.
Rocky Marciano never lost. Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe never lost. Doesn't mean there is no blueprint to beat them or that they are unbeatable. Just fortunate enough they didn't have to fight in different era's and/or ducked certain prime fighters.
I have no problem with you being a fanboy of Floyd, boxing is largely about fan bases. that's great. my problem was you calling us haters just because we were having a discussion on what WE thought are the best strategies and attributes to beat Floyd. It's a compliment on how good Floyd is.
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In my opinion, even a wildly swinging guy like Maidana would've beaten Floyd with a higher output. He gets tired. Obviously, just throwing 1000 punches won't beat him. But if you're able to get him on the ropes and can punch all night, I like that guys chance.
You're also comparing numbers from when Floyd moved a hell of a lot more than he does now and really prove my point, he can be beaten by throwing less than a 1000. Castillo threw and landed more than Floyd in that first fight.
And if they fought, I think GGG would beat Floyd.
You're also comparing numbers from when Floyd moved a hell of a lot more than he does now and really prove my point, he can be beaten by throwing less than a 1000. Castillo threw and landed more than Floyd in that first fight.
And if they fought, I think GGG would beat Floyd.
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You always fall back to that. I've said countless times on here, I can't stand Floyd outside of the ring, but inside of the ring he's been great. He could've been an all time great if he would've tested himself more but he cherry picked or waited too long for certain fights. I think most hardcore fans feel that way. Leonard, Hearns, and Duran tested themselves, took some L's and no one really criticizes them for it. Floyd talks about how he thinks he's the best ever, a lot of hardcore fans are going to take issue with that because it's a diss to the history of the sport. But he's great, no question.
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yeah I'm a fan of GGG and I've discussed ways I think he can be beat as well. This is a thread to discuss all things boxing.
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Pacquiao Explains Las Vegas/Macau Event Differences
Question: Pacquiao and China, is that helping boxing popularity? Why fighting in China? China vs. Las Vegas.
Manny Pacquiao: Asia is a fertile market for boxing. The sport has been very popular in the Philippines, Japan and Southeast Asia for a long time, but China, with its billions in population, has long been an untapped source for potential boxing fans.
Boxing owes a great debt to Zou Shiming, China's two-time Olympic gold medalist, for opening his homeland to boxing by fighting professionally at The Venetian Macao these past two years. Shiming has sold out the Cotai Arena every time he has fought there while allowing fighters like me to share his cards and display our talents to his enormous fan base -- both in-person and throughout the country on television. There's even a new televised boxing show which was developed from the popularity of The Venetian Macao shows.
I love fighting in the United States. I have fought many fights in Las Vegas but when I fought Joshua Clottey and Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium it added a whole new dynamic to the event. Not only did fans from the Dallas-Fort Worth area get to experience boxing at a world championship level, but millions of fans tuned in to see those two fights because they took place at Cowboys Stadium. It was exhilarating.
The same is true fighting in Macao, China. Fans from all over the world are watching my fights at The Venetian Macao not just because of the fight itself but because they want to see a live event from China. And the billions in China now have the opportunity to watch world championship boxing on their own national and regional networks. That is a lot of exposure for fighters and for sponsors of boxing events held there.
It is also tapping into a new segment of athletes which can only improve the sport and its popularity. Every country loves to root for their own athletes and by having more Chinese fighters in the professional ranks more Chinese fans will begin following our sport and making it a bigger international attraction.
I love fighting in Las Vegas but when I fight in Macao I feel like I am playing a home game. Macao is only a 90-minute flight from the Philippines so many of my countrymen are able to attend where the expense of traveling to the U.S. may have been too much for them. Fans from Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Europe filled the Cotai Arena the last time I fought there, and that was a great experience. And the Chinese fans were so enthusiastic. It was a wonderful experience to fight for them. The biggest difference between fighting in Las Vegas and fighting in Macao is that virtually all the fans are in their seats before the first bout begins. They really love their boxing in Macao.
“24/7 Pacquiao/Algieri” premieres Saturday, Nov. 8 at 1:00 a.m. (ET/PT) on HBO immediately following the live World Championship Boxing event from Atlantic City.
Question: Pacquiao and China, is that helping boxing popularity? Why fighting in China? China vs. Las Vegas.
Manny Pacquiao: Asia is a fertile market for boxing. The sport has been very popular in the Philippines, Japan and Southeast Asia for a long time, but China, with its billions in population, has long been an untapped source for potential boxing fans.
Boxing owes a great debt to Zou Shiming, China's two-time Olympic gold medalist, for opening his homeland to boxing by fighting professionally at The Venetian Macao these past two years. Shiming has sold out the Cotai Arena every time he has fought there while allowing fighters like me to share his cards and display our talents to his enormous fan base -- both in-person and throughout the country on television. There's even a new televised boxing show which was developed from the popularity of The Venetian Macao shows.
I love fighting in the United States. I have fought many fights in Las Vegas but when I fought Joshua Clottey and Antonio Margarito at Cowboys Stadium it added a whole new dynamic to the event. Not only did fans from the Dallas-Fort Worth area get to experience boxing at a world championship level, but millions of fans tuned in to see those two fights because they took place at Cowboys Stadium. It was exhilarating.
The same is true fighting in Macao, China. Fans from all over the world are watching my fights at The Venetian Macao not just because of the fight itself but because they want to see a live event from China. And the billions in China now have the opportunity to watch world championship boxing on their own national and regional networks. That is a lot of exposure for fighters and for sponsors of boxing events held there.
It is also tapping into a new segment of athletes which can only improve the sport and its popularity. Every country loves to root for their own athletes and by having more Chinese fighters in the professional ranks more Chinese fans will begin following our sport and making it a bigger international attraction.
I love fighting in Las Vegas but when I fight in Macao I feel like I am playing a home game. Macao is only a 90-minute flight from the Philippines so many of my countrymen are able to attend where the expense of traveling to the U.S. may have been too much for them. Fans from Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Europe filled the Cotai Arena the last time I fought there, and that was a great experience. And the Chinese fans were so enthusiastic. It was a wonderful experience to fight for them. The biggest difference between fighting in Las Vegas and fighting in Macao is that virtually all the fans are in their seats before the first bout begins. They really love their boxing in Macao.
“24/7 Pacquiao/Algieri” premieres Saturday, Nov. 8 at 1:00 a.m. (ET/PT) on HBO immediately following the live World Championship Boxing event from Atlantic City.
AMIR KHAN AND DEVON ALEXANDER PROMOTIONAL FREE AGENTS AFTER DECEMBER 13?
Sources close to the information have informed us that both former jr. welterweight champion Amir Khan and former welterweight Devon Alexander will be promotional free agents following their December 13 clash at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Currently, both fighters are signed with Golden Boy Promotions, however, we're told that their next fight will be the last on their contract.
The news comes on the heals of what appeared to be Golden Boy Promotions founder Oscar De La Hoya taking a subliminal shot aimed directly at both Showtime and powerful advisor Al Haymon. On Saturday evening, roughly midway through a Showtime boxing telecast that featured Haymon-advised fighters Andrzej Fonfara, Tomoki Kameda, and Javier Fortuna, De La Hoya took to Twitter and posted the following message: "Flipping my channels and thought I was watching ESPN fights."
Though it's unclear if De La Hoya was specifically referring to the Showtime telecast, the timing of his post was certainly interesting to say the least. It should be noted that Abner Cotto, who we thought was still a Golden Boy Promotions fighter, was knocked out by Javier Fortuna prior to De La Hoya making his comment. With both Khan and Alexander at the end of their contract, one can't help but wonder if De La Hoya has any plans on re-signing them if his comment on Twitter was indeed regarding the Showtime card featuring Haymon's fighters.
Sources close to the information have informed us that both former jr. welterweight champion Amir Khan and former welterweight Devon Alexander will be promotional free agents following their December 13 clash at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Currently, both fighters are signed with Golden Boy Promotions, however, we're told that their next fight will be the last on their contract.
The news comes on the heals of what appeared to be Golden Boy Promotions founder Oscar De La Hoya taking a subliminal shot aimed directly at both Showtime and powerful advisor Al Haymon. On Saturday evening, roughly midway through a Showtime boxing telecast that featured Haymon-advised fighters Andrzej Fonfara, Tomoki Kameda, and Javier Fortuna, De La Hoya took to Twitter and posted the following message: "Flipping my channels and thought I was watching ESPN fights."
Though it's unclear if De La Hoya was specifically referring to the Showtime telecast, the timing of his post was certainly interesting to say the least. It should be noted that Abner Cotto, who we thought was still a Golden Boy Promotions fighter, was knocked out by Javier Fortuna prior to De La Hoya making his comment. With both Khan and Alexander at the end of their contract, one can't help but wonder if De La Hoya has any plans on re-signing them if his comment on Twitter was indeed regarding the Showtime card featuring Haymon's fighters.
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Here's the main reason I have to agree with HERESY on this. The first Mayweather/JLC fight happened in 2002, since then people have been quoting that's how you beat Floyd because JLC fought him so tough, but fail to bring up that Floyd came in and beat him clean a few months later. Castillo couldn't even implement his own successful strategy within a matter of months.
Also said strategy has been out there for 12 years now and no one's been able to pull it off. I think something people underestimate in Floyd is his ability to adjust even during fights.
FWIW, I thought Castillo won the first Floyd fight and for all the coward talk Floyd came right back and got in with him again.
Also said strategy has been out there for 12 years now and no one's been able to pull it off. I think something people underestimate in Floyd is his ability to adjust even during fights.
FWIW, I thought Castillo won the first Floyd fight and for all the coward talk Floyd came right back and got in with him again.
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Floyd turned down $8M to fight Margarito and got the same $8M purse to fight Baldomir.
Baldomir at the time was the lineal WW champion having upset Zab Judah and Margarito at the time wasn't as insanely thought of as he became a year or two later. Judah didn't even drop below Margarito after being upset by Baldomir in the rankings. So at that time he fought a guy ranked higher than Margarito then fought the lineal champion of the division for the same amount of money he would've got for fighting Margarito.
IMO, lineal titles are the most important thing in boxing and I've stated that plenty here before. I'll never knocked someone for fighting for that. I'd agree with you if he actually took less money to fight Baldo, but that wasn't the case.
Baldomir at the time was the lineal WW champion having upset Zab Judah and Margarito at the time wasn't as insanely thought of as he became a year or two later. Judah didn't even drop below Margarito after being upset by Baldomir in the rankings. So at that time he fought a guy ranked higher than Margarito then fought the lineal champion of the division for the same amount of money he would've got for fighting Margarito.
IMO, lineal titles are the most important thing in boxing and I've stated that plenty here before. I'll never knocked someone for fighting for that. I'd agree with you if he actually took less money to fight Baldo, but that wasn't the case.
I also would like to point out that at that time Castillo was a highly skilled fighter. He didn't simply plod forward throwing a ton of punches, he was intelligent with his pressure. Something that lacks these days with most pressure fighters. The art of intelligent pressure seems lost.
And yes that's a good point about how Floyd gave him an immediate rematch after losing the first fight and won clearly although still pretty close in the rematch. He definitely deserves props for that, unlike cunts like Danny Garcia who pretend shit never happened.
And yes that's a good point about how Floyd gave him an immediate rematch after losing the first fight and won clearly although still pretty close in the rematch. He definitely deserves props for that, unlike cunts like Danny Garcia who pretend shit never happened.