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Wasn't too slick having Quillin drop his title and lose a career high payday.
In related news Sergio Mora just announced he signed with Haymon yesterday.
Get yourselves ready for a Sergio Mora, Daniel Jacobs, Jermain Taylor, Peter Quillin tournament.
In related news Sergio Mora just announced he signed with Haymon yesterday.
Get yourselves ready for a Sergio Mora, Daniel Jacobs, Jermain Taylor, Peter Quillin tournament.
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^^^ But they are losing more in the process really. The way I view it, it's like when a college freshmen athlete knows he will be drafted top 3, should he stay in school or go pro? According to Al, they should wait cuz eventually they will get paid so here is a nice car and go back to your dorm room. You feel me?
I see what you're saying, but the college kids don't get paid, or at least in theory they don't. Haymon's got connections all over the place and his fighters all get paid. Only thing is he cherry picks opponents for them, and as a fan that's shitty. But if I was a fighter who put my life at risk in the ring, I'd love to have a guy like Haymon on my side.
You're missing my point.
I don't expect someone to throw a 1000 punches from range. The thing with Maidana is that he stopped punching because he gassed out because he was trying to kill Floyd with every shot pretty much. I think that is part of the biggest mistake that people make against Floyd.
What's one thing people never concern themselves with when fighting Floyd? Winning rounds. Every single guy he's fought since fighting Gatti has been concerned with trying to knock him out cold.
In my opinion, a dude who can cut the ring off and be active enough (the reason why I said 1000 punches as a benchmark) to keep Floyd in his defensive posture most of the time on the ropes, you can beat Floyd. Obviously you have to make him respect your power at some point, but you also only have to win 7 rounds. What I'm saying is, at this stage of his career with the fact that he can't outrun you more than likely for 12 straight rounds if you can cut off the ring well, you can beat Floyd by winning 7 rounds (or more) by outworking him.
Yes I understand that Floyd adapts well, and I would expect him to try to adapt to that but he's shown time and time and time again that he handcuffs himself on the ropes. In the past, he's shown that he could use movement to get away from that. I'm not convinced that he can do that as well as he used to.
I don't expect someone to throw a 1000 punches from range. The thing with Maidana is that he stopped punching because he gassed out because he was trying to kill Floyd with every shot pretty much. I think that is part of the biggest mistake that people make against Floyd.
What's one thing people never concern themselves with when fighting Floyd? Winning rounds. Every single guy he's fought since fighting Gatti has been concerned with trying to knock him out cold.
In my opinion, a dude who can cut the ring off and be active enough (the reason why I said 1000 punches as a benchmark) to keep Floyd in his defensive posture most of the time on the ropes, you can beat Floyd. Obviously you have to make him respect your power at some point, but you also only have to win 7 rounds. What I'm saying is, at this stage of his career with the fact that he can't outrun you more than likely for 12 straight rounds if you can cut off the ring well, you can beat Floyd by winning 7 rounds (or more) by outworking him.
Yes I understand that Floyd adapts well, and I would expect him to try to adapt to that but he's shown time and time and time again that he handcuffs himself on the ropes. In the past, he's shown that he could use movement to get away from that. I'm not convinced that he can do that as well as he used to.
I don't necessarily disagree with that. But the largest point to that in my opinion, is that people go in there trying to kill Floyd (which makes sense) because they don't go in with the mindset that they could actually win a decision against him. I don't underestimate his ability to adjust in fights, I think that's actually his greatest asset over everything else. But I feel like the proof is there in his career that he hasn't entirely figured out how to fight out of his defensive shell when someone is throwing a ton of punches when they have him on the ropes. He defends well, but doesn't counter well most of the time from it, except for 1 punch at a time.
I just mean from a presentation and speaking point of view. Sure his actions are loud, but he keeps his mouth shut and does things behind the scenes. Calm, collectivie, smooth mentality.
Arum gets on the podium or camera and starts spouting off about how great his events are. Haymon puts together shit cards but just sits there quietly and smiles.
Arum gets on the podium or camera and starts spouting off about how great his events are. Haymon puts together shit cards but just sits there quietly and smiles.
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What's good for a fighter and what's good for the sport do not go hand in hand.
OF COURSE a fighter like Stevenson is going to be happy as fuck getting $2 million dollars fighting a bum instead of fighting the guy the entire boxing world wanted to see. Of course Danny Garcia is going to be happy getting close to a million for fighting Rob Salka. Is this good for the sport? No, it continues to HURT the sport. Look around, the best aren't fighting the best. We got guys who are barely even on the radar, barely even made a name for themselves talking about their looking for the big paydays and avoiding tough challenges because they know their manager can get them good money fighting lessor opponents. If this is how you want the sport to be then you're a sorry ass excuse of a fan, period. The best fights that are happening don't involve Haymon. Nearly all of the big fights that haven't happened, surprise surprise Al Haymon was involved.
OF COURSE a fighter like Stevenson is going to be happy as fuck getting $2 million dollars fighting a bum instead of fighting the guy the entire boxing world wanted to see. Of course Danny Garcia is going to be happy getting close to a million for fighting Rob Salka. Is this good for the sport? No, it continues to HURT the sport. Look around, the best aren't fighting the best. We got guys who are barely even on the radar, barely even made a name for themselves talking about their looking for the big paydays and avoiding tough challenges because they know their manager can get them good money fighting lessor opponents. If this is how you want the sport to be then you're a sorry ass excuse of a fan, period. The best fights that are happening don't involve Haymon. Nearly all of the big fights that haven't happened, surprise surprise Al Haymon was involved.
Haymon is by far the worst. Arum is not bad at all. If anything he let's us the audience know that the networks have a huge say in it too. He was trying his best with Rigo but if HBO didn't want him what can he do? Haymon on the other hand, is losing big fights, big money, and networks losing interest in doing business with him.We as an audience and fans are losing interest in these fighters under Haymon as well, which is gonna lead to less money for all of them. And as far as safe fights are concerned, it wasn't safe for Guerrero, Stevenson, Russell Jr., Porter, Vasquez, and Mares. I think all his fighters lost big this year.
Right, but while these fighters have a short term mind set, the overall popularity of the sport is declining meaning less money overall. Look at Showtimes ratings last year compared to this year. A dramatic drop off. Mainly because of the amount of uninteresting mismatches. If that trend continues, the budget for boxing on SHO will be decreased, and less money to be spread around. In the long run, the mismatches, the ducking, the lame cards hurts the sport and hurts fighters future potential earnings. So that short sightedness of fast easy cash isn't going to help them or the sport.
Additionally Haymon contracts he basically owns the fighter. They cannot sign any promotional contracts, endorsements, do commercials, modeling, etc without his permission (see Keith Thurman rejection of $6m from Roc Nation). By contract, they can't do anything without Haymon's permission.
On top of that, Haymon has already burned a massive bridge with HBO, and it looks like he's burning the Showtime bridge as well. He will have a limited amount of dates on CBS wwhich the venue is a complete unknown at this point. Of he fails, expect a mass exodus of fighters leaving Haymon.
Additionally Haymon contracts he basically owns the fighter. They cannot sign any promotional contracts, endorsements, do commercials, modeling, etc without his permission (see Keith Thurman rejection of $6m from Roc Nation). By contract, they can't do anything without Haymon's permission.
On top of that, Haymon has already burned a massive bridge with HBO, and it looks like he's burning the Showtime bridge as well. He will have a limited amount of dates on CBS wwhich the venue is a complete unknown at this point. Of he fails, expect a mass exodus of fighters leaving Haymon.
How do you know what kind of contracts fighters sign? Keith Thurman may have had his reasons to reject Roc Nation, though it is a lot of money.
And why should a fighter care more about the sport than his health and money? It's not like they are in the NFL, NBA or MLB, where it's all under one association. Everyone is on their own in boxing, with several promoters. It's not up to the fighters to keep the sport popular. I'm sure they're main focus is to make money and put food on the table for their family, not keep the sport popular.
It's their health they put on the line every time they step in the ring, so for you to criticize as a fan for signing with Al Haymon or any business decisions they feel are best for them, is pretty damn retarded. Like I said, I understand as a fan we get frustrated. But this isn't a fuckin tennis match, it's boxing where in one punch their health can change.
And why should a fighter care more about the sport than his health and money? It's not like they are in the NFL, NBA or MLB, where it's all under one association. Everyone is on their own in boxing, with several promoters. It's not up to the fighters to keep the sport popular. I'm sure they're main focus is to make money and put food on the table for their family, not keep the sport popular.
It's their health they put on the line every time they step in the ring, so for you to criticize as a fan for signing with Al Haymon or any business decisions they feel are best for them, is pretty damn retarded. Like I said, I understand as a fan we get frustrated. But this isn't a fuckin tennis match, it's boxing where in one punch their health can change.
What is healthier for you, making $300k for one fight or $1.4 mill for one fight? What is healthier, already being one of the top paid athletes in sports having to just fight once a year or making more money but having to fight twice a year and getting beat up by B level fighters? Even Showtime is getting fed up with it and asked Floyd if he's willing to fight Manny, cuz at the end of the day it's a business. Hard work pays off and these fighters as of recent years could have made so much more money. Danny Garcia could easily make $2 mill a fight after Matthysse but took the easy rout after. He could have fought Floyd, Manny, Bradley, etc. and retired at an early age but he's taking the easy route. What do you think Canelo is doing. These fighters are doing no damage to him and once one does, he will have enough money to retire before he's 30. Mayweather can't even do that.
Show me one that is not being taken care of by GBP? You see, GBP is taking very good care of their fighters, just ask Floyd. Now, Haymon is using that and running with it. Oscar now has a brand that got staind by Haymon but luckily still has stars and HBO backing him still. Now, let's say these fighters leave to another promo company, will you follow them then? It would be a lot easier since they will be on ESPN or NBC soon or whatever, but will they see the money they deserve? Fuck no. So if we get into discussions of how Manny is broke and everyone in the boxing world is laughing at his ass, what about all the other fighters that are big names that want big fights cuz they come with big money and can't get them cuz of Haymon? Who would you rather see, Manny vs Algieri or Manny vs Broner? You think Broner is gonna get any big fights soon? About a billion my ass!
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