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[2-0-Sixx]

That isn't effective aggressiveness. For one, in order to cut the ring off you're going to have to have faster feet/legs and you're going to have to trap the guy. The second problem is with the punch count. You're saying to throw that high of a number and be accurate, while effectively stopping one of the best defensive fighters in the modern era, from moving--no dice.

Oscar: Landed 21% of his punches. Total punch count was 587 while Floyd was at 481 and 43%.

Maidana (first fight no need to go into the second one): 858 punches with 221 landing for 25%. Floyd had 426 punches with 230 landing for 50%.

Castillo (first fight no need to go into the second one): 506 thrown by Castillo and landing 40%. Floyd throws 448 for 35%.

Hopefully you see the pattern here and why a thousand punch count is clearly out of the question. You are not going to throw 1000 punches against Floyd AND effectively cut off the ring. You can throw a lot of punches on the ropes but how many of those punches are effective punches? He's slipping, he's parrying the punches, using his glove and rolling his shoulder. In other words, he isn't taking damage like another person in a similar situation would.

And if you look at Floyds fights against Canelo and Cotto or pretty much anyone recently, and look at the punch count, you'll see he will actually hit 500-600 while the opponent has fewer throws and a lower percentage.

So looking at the numbers, it's a bit more complicated because Floyd is adjusting his numbers.

Simply put, there is no plan to beat the guy because it would have been done already.

I agree just throwing 1000 punches isn't the answer, but Castillo should have won that fight and it was due to effective aggression and ring generalship. Hell, Maidana nearly won in the first fight and he's a b level fighter. If he was more skilled, Floyd very well could have lost. If there was a Roberto Duran around fighting that version of Floyd I don't see Floyd winning that night. But the quality right now at 147 and 154 are all B level guys. Pacquiao was elite, not sure about now. No one at the moment is really great, we got Amir Khan, Thurman, Devon Alexander, Bradley, Porter, etc. good solid fighters but none I would consider great or elite.

there are a number of plans that can work against Floyd but the talent of the fighters aren't good enough. Hell, Maidana nearly beat Floyd in the first fight and he's a B level fighter.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx .. did Iron Mike Promotions have a falling out with Fox Sports or something? They scrapped the Moreno Vs. Payano card last minute and this month he has some good cards with no TV dates.

I haven't heard anything. Did a quick google search and all I found was from two days ago saying "no word yet if Fox Sports will pick up Iron Mikes next two cards planned for November".

 

[HERESY]

Now post a pic of the jab stats and look at the numbers. Not even close.

Again, look at Floyd's output in recent fights and you'll see that his numbers aren't going down but either going up or staying put. You throw 1000 against the guy and you run the risk of being countered all night.

The only guy boxing now that could have pulled off 1000 but would have had a hard time controlling pace and the ring is a PRIME Pac. Evem against a southpaw, which the shell is weak against, he still adjusts.

Can he be beat? Yes but what is the plan?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Now post a pic of the jab stats and look at the numbers. Not even close.

Here are stats http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Jose_Luis_Castillo_vs._Floyd_Mayweather_Jr._(1st_meeting)

Yes Floyd landed and threw more jabs however that's irrelevant since his jabs were not effective, they didn't slow down or stop Castillo from getting on the inside and landing power shots and more effective punches. Jab stats are only relevant if the jab is controlling and dictating the tempo of the fight but his were not that night. Castillo controlled the fight. Definitely the most uncomfortable fight of Floyds career where he wasn't in control.

Again, look at Floyd's output in recent fights and you'll see that his numbers aren't going down but either going up or staying put. You throw 1000 against the guy and you run the risk of being countered all night.

I'd argue that his numbers are going up because he's aging, not using his feet like he used to and he's forced to fight more. Perfect example is the first Maidana fight; he had no business struggling with a guy of his caliber.

I also agreed with you; I don't think simply throwing a 1000 punches is much of a plan, there must be more to it, like Castillo didn't simply plod forward and throw punches, no he had an excellent game plan by mixing up what he did to get inside sometimes he worked off the jab, he used A LOT of head movement, he got very low to get insid, he threw punches from all sorts of odd angles, etc. Basically the plan was to mix it up, be unpredictable while applying pressure (unlike guys like Guerrero who obviously had a very limited weapons and would try and fail at the same thing over and over again).

The only guy boxing now that could have pulled off 1000 but would have had a hard time controlling pace and the ring is a PRIME Pac. Evem against a southpaw, which the shell is weak against, he still adjusts.

Can he be beat? Yes but what is the plan?

There are multiple good plans that would be effective the problem again is the talent.

For example,, I always thought a stylistic nightmare for Floyd would be a tall fighter with a long jab who boxes from the outside which would force Floyd to be the aggressor. But there are no Tommy Hearns type fighters around. Floyd's great pull counter would be ineffective against a guy like that and by forcing Floyd to be the aggressor you're putting him outside of his comfort zone, making him play a game that isn't his best.

On the flip-side, an intelligent and highly skilled offensive fighter with great stamina would also give him problems (think a prime Roberto Duran). These types of guys don't exist right now between 140-154. There are plenty of aggressive fighters but none that are as highly skilled or as intelligent.

 

[WYNO707X4]

Jabs....smfh

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

A prime Margarito would have given Floyd problems IMO...based on styles.

 

[naner12]

A prime Margarito would have given Floyd problems IMO...based on styles.

I hear people say that a lot, and it may be true, but who are we considering a prime Margarito? Margarito had a problem in the early rounds against anyone that could box.

He struggled against Clottey early until Clottey claimed to break every bone in his hands and stopped punching. He struggled against Santos early, was coming on late when the fight was stopped from a cut and went to the cards. He struggled against Williams early and turned it on too late and dropped a decision.

I certainly don't see Margarito stopping Floyd and I don't see him getting to Floyd enough to slow him down and land a lot of meaningful shots. I feel like that fight would look more like the Baldomir fight with Margarito at least winning some rounds.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

^I just look at Margarito's will to win as the biggest factor. The guy wouldn't back down no matter what, and his chin was made of steel. I'm not saying he would win a decision, but he'd definitely give Floyd a tough fight and maybe wear him down with body shots and uppercuts. It's all just talk now, but at the time I believe Floyd took less money to fight Baldomir than what was offered to fight Margarito. Floyd ducked him.

 

[CZAR]

Heresy you are wasting your time homie. Good lookin out to Naner also. Haters will hate and still claim Floyd lost fights and the game plan is there yet he is 47-0 and hasnt come close to losing in my book. Keep wishing haters. Like Heresy said only Floyd or Father time can beat Floyd. There is no blueprint unless u are bumping Jay-Z's album. Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Heresy you are wasting your time homie. Good lookin out to Naner also. Haters will hate and still claim Floyd lost fights and the game plan is there yet he is 47-0 and hasnt come close to losing in my book. Keep wishing haters. Like Heresy said only Floyd or Father time can beat Floyd. There is no blueprint unless u are bumping Jay-Z's album. Got Em!!

You're mistaking a conversation between a few people on what kind of strategy and attributes a fighter must have in order to beat him with hate. You're so sensitive lol

 

[CZAR]

No your mistaken and blind because u truly dont know how big of a hater you are to Floyd. You never have 1 bad thing to say about Manny who lost 5 times and been put to sleep but yet Floyd has never lost and there is no blueprint so how can any of you say what kind of fighter can beat him? Hes fought the fighters that have done what yall are saying and he beat them all case closed next! Floyd will only lose if he beats himself or if Father Time catches him in the ring simple as that. Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Oh god here we go. I picked JMM to beat Pacquiao in the 4th fight. I said he's going to struggle with Chris and he's past prime. I said hhe's stupid for keeping Michael Koncz around. I said the Mosley fight was a worthless waste of time. And many other things. As for Floyd I always say he's the #1 fighter in the world, not only do I watch all of his fights Ive spent my own money and bought every one of his PPV'so in the past decade , or at the very least chipped in with some money. I've always said he's an awesome fighter that I love to watch inside the ring. outside of the ring he's a douchebag. Sorry that if I talk about how it's possible he could lose a fight you consider that hating. like I said, sensitive that you are.

 

[CZAR]

Thats not what I mean but its coo. U still hate on Floyd and u are big fan of Manny's and its known. I dont mind that just be real about your feelings lol. Well regardless how much yall say yall know how to beat Floyd the bottomline is it dont mean anything until he loses and the longer he stays undefeated the more excuse he will have if he does lose because he is not in his prime anymore so it will most likely be due to age and diminish of skill as to why he lost if it happens. Got Em!!

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Get Floyd's nuts outta your mouth.

 

[CZAR]

And of course the usual hater response when they have nuthin useful to come back with lol. Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I don't understand what beef you have with people talking about possible ways to beat Floyd or what's a good game plan. no need to get ur panties in a bunch over that. There is no one around 140-154 really with the skills to it anyway.

 

[heyzel]

Arum wants Lomachenko and Nicholas Walters to fight in 2015
November 2nd, 2014 | Post Comment - 47 Comments

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Nicholas Walters vasyl lomachenko By Allan Fox: Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says that he’d like to setup a fight between WBA Super World featherweight champion Nicholas Walters (25-0, 21 KOs) and WBO featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (2-1, 1 KOs) in 2015.

Walters recently obliterated one of Arum’s most popular fighters in Nonito Donaire in stopping him in the 6th round last October in a pretty much one-sided fight. Now that Donaire is out of the unofficial featherweight tournament that Arum has going, it’s now Lomachenko and Walters that need to face each other.

A possible opponent that could face the winner of the Lomachenko-Walters fight is IBF featherweight champion Evgeny Gradovich. That would be an excellent fight with Gradovich facing the winner of the Lomachenko vs. Walters fight. There’s also WBC champion Jhonny Gonzalez who could figure into the future, even though he’s not promoted by Top Rank.

“I have always thought Lomachenko is a special talent and one of the greatest fighters around so it would be silly if they didn’t fight sometime next year [with Walters],” Arum said to ESPN.com.

Lomachenko has a fight coming up on November 22nd on the Manny Pacquiao vs. Chris Algieri card against #1 WBO Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo (52-1-0, 33 KOs) at the Cotai Arena, Venetian Resort, Macao, Macao S.A.R., China. Lomachenko doesn’t want to look past Piriyapinyo, because he’s a solid fighter with an 8-fight winning streak. He’s got punching power, and he could pull an upset if he’s able to outwork Lomachenko the way that Orlando Salido did last March.

Walters looks like the real deal with his punching power, excellent jab, and good size. He could give Lomachenko all he can handle if Arum does set up that fight next year. It would likely be the toughest fight of Lomachenko’s career, because Walters has the kind of power that will keep Lomachenko under duress for as long as the fight lasts.

The good thing is that if Lomachenko can beat Walters, boxing fans would have a pretty good idea who the best fighter in the featherweight division is. Lomachenko obviously would still need to beat Gradovich and Jhonny Gonzalez to prove that he’s the best, but getting Walters out of the way would prove a lot about Lomachenko’s talent.

 

[heyzel]

Arum wants Lomachenko and Nicholas Walters to fight in 2015
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Nicholas Walters vasyl lomachenko By Allan Fox: Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says that he’d like to setup a fight between WBA Super World featherweight champion Nicholas Walters (25-0, 21 KOs) and WBO featherweight champion Vasyl Lomachenko (2-1, 1 KOs) in 2015.

Walters recently obliterated one of Arum’s most popular fighters in Nonito Donaire in stopping him in the 6th round last October in a pretty much one-sided fight. Now that Donaire is out of the unofficial featherweight tournament that Arum has going, it’s now Lomachenko and Walters that need to face each other.

A possible opponent that could face the winner of the Lomachenko-Walters fight is IBF featherweight champion Evgeny Gradovich. That would be an excellent fight with Gradovich facing the winner of the Lomachenko vs. Walters fight. There’s also WBC champion Jhonny Gonzalez who could figure into the future, even though he’s not promoted by Top Rank.

“I have always thought Lomachenko is a special talent and one of the greatest fighters around so it would be silly if they didn’t fight sometime next year [with Walters],” Arum said to ESPN.com.

Lomachenko has a fight coming up on November 22nd on the Manny Pacquiao vs. Chris Algieri card against #1 WBO Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo (52-1-0, 33 KOs) at the Cotai Arena, Venetian Resort, Macao, Macao S.A.R., China. Lomachenko doesn’t want to look past Piriyapinyo, because he’s a solid fighter with an 8-fight winning streak. He’s got punching power, and he could pull an upset if he’s able to outwork Lomachenko the way that Orlando Salido did last March.

Walters looks like the real deal with his punching power, excellent jab, and good size. He could give Lomachenko all he can handle if Arum does set up that fight next year. It would likely be the toughest fight of Lomachenko’s career, because Walters has the kind of power that will keep Lomachenko under duress for as long as the fight lasts.

The good thing is that if Lomachenko can beat Walters, boxing fans would have a pretty good idea who the best fighter in the featherweight division is. Lomachenko obviously would still need to beat Gradovich and Jhonny Gonzalez to prove that he’s the best, but getting Walters out of the way would prove a lot about Lomachenko’s talent.

 

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Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Joel Montes de Oca on November 15th in Cancun, Mexico
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Joel Montes de Oca yuriorkis gamboa By Dan Ambrose: Former IBF/WBA featherweight champion Yuriorkis Gamboa (23-1, 16 KOs) will be fighting two weeks from now against super featherweight Joel Montes de Oca (18-3, 10 KOs) on November 15th in a scheduled 10 round bout at the Plaza de Toros, Cancun, Quintana Roo, Mexico.

Gamboa, 32, hasn’t fought since being stopped in the 9th round by WBO lightweight champion Terence Crawford last June in Omaha, Nebraska. Gamboa, 5’5”, fought surprisingly well against the bigger and heavier Crawford until the 5th round when he was dropped.

Gamboa obviously didn’t belong in the lightweight division, as he’s more of a featherweight in terms of his build. Gamboa is hoping he can make things happen at super featherweight rather than featherweight though, and it’s going to be interesting to see if he capture a title in this weight class.

Despite losing his last fight, Gamboa won a lot of boxing fans with his spirited effort against Crawford. He made it an exciting fight from start to finish by pushing the pace, and forcing Crawford to brawl with him.

Montes de Oca is way out of his class in fighting a guy as talented as Gamboa. Montes has been fighting since 2010, but he’s never fought anyone of talent during his career, and this is going to be a huge step up in class for him.

Going from fighting guys like Daniel Evangelista Jr and Juan Saracho is going to be a monstrous step up for Montes. I’d be surprised if he can make it past the 2nd round of this fight, because he’s way out of his class.

The Gamboa vs. Montes de Oca fight will take place at a catch-weight of 132 pounds, making the fight technically a lightweight bout rather than at super featherweight. We’re going to eventually see Gamboa fighting at super featherweight, but it looks like he wants to ease his way down rather than make the move all at once.

Gamboa has the skills to compete with some of the super featherweight champions like Rances Barthelemy, Takashi Miura and Takashi Uchiyama.

Also on the card is Cristian Mijares facing Lester Medrano.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Floyd would have smoked Margarito, even in his prime.
Prime Tsyzu would have beaten Floyd, but at the time Floyd wasn't what he is now so it's hard to compare. Even though he was still totting himeself as the best he wasn't fighting top competition at the time.

I still believe Manny has the best shot, and that's only becauase Floyd has beaten everyone else.