Ben Roethlisberger HOF?
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The defense intercepted Warner at the goal line and put up 7 points right before halftime. Take that away and the Steelers lose that game (that was potentially a 10 or 14-point difference). Ben does nothing spectacular. He looked good in the SuperBowl but the Cardinals aren't exactly a good defense, in case you haven't figured that out. He's also very inconsistant. On top of that, the first SuperBowl "he" won is considered tarnished by most people because of the officiating.
That being said, it doesn't matter if he has 2 SuperBowls or not. Winning a championship is a team effort and should not be a deciding factor in whether or not a player gets into the Hall Of Fame. Without his defense he would not have a single ring. The Hall Of Fame is about individuals and their efforts, not the team. Championships are the culmination of a great TEAM's efforts. The Hall Of Fame is the culmination of a great PLAYER's efforts.
Ben Roethlisburger as an individual hasn't done much.
That being said, it doesn't matter if he has 2 SuperBowls or not. Winning a championship is a team effort and should not be a deciding factor in whether or not a player gets into the Hall Of Fame. Without his defense he would not have a single ring. The Hall Of Fame is about individuals and their efforts, not the team. Championships are the culmination of a great TEAM's efforts. The Hall Of Fame is the culmination of a great PLAYER's efforts.
Ben Roethlisburger as an individual hasn't done much.
HOF right now? No.
But name a better QB in the first 5 years of his career. (Just don't mention Tom Brady's name because I don't like discussing him.)
He doesn't have the stats (he did set the Steelers TD record last year) but I think he doesn't have the stats because he doesn't play "normal football".
But lets break down his first 5 years:
Year 1: 15-1 record for the Steelers. UNDEFEATED record by Roethlisberger. The loss was by Maddox.
Year 2: Superbowl win. Even if you have a problem with how the game was reffed, he still fucking got there.
Year 3: Freak motorcycle accident. Didn't die. You all would have.
Year 4: Sets Steelers TD record.
Year 5: Won another Superbowl. Hardest schedule in the history of football.
51 wins, 2 Superbowls. Name your favorite quarterback. He didn't do that.
Granted, the defense makes his job a shitload easier. But nobody scrambles like him on a broken down play. And his win-loss record against NFC teams, Ohio teams, etc. is pretty nuts. He doesn't put up stats, he wins games, period. Plus, give him some credit playing behind that O-line.
But name a better QB in the first 5 years of his career. (Just don't mention Tom Brady's name because I don't like discussing him.)
He doesn't have the stats (he did set the Steelers TD record last year) but I think he doesn't have the stats because he doesn't play "normal football".
But lets break down his first 5 years:
Year 1: 15-1 record for the Steelers. UNDEFEATED record by Roethlisberger. The loss was by Maddox.
Year 2: Superbowl win. Even if you have a problem with how the game was reffed, he still fucking got there.
Year 3: Freak motorcycle accident. Didn't die. You all would have.
Year 4: Sets Steelers TD record.
Year 5: Won another Superbowl. Hardest schedule in the history of football.
51 wins, 2 Superbowls. Name your favorite quarterback. He didn't do that.
Granted, the defense makes his job a shitload easier. But nobody scrambles like him on a broken down play. And his win-loss record against NFC teams, Ohio teams, etc. is pretty nuts. He doesn't put up stats, he wins games, period. Plus, give him some credit playing behind that O-line.
Those are all great accomplishments. But you being a Steeler fan, your seeing this one sided. None of those Reflect Ben except not dying(which has NOTHING to do with football, and the TD Record. The Rest is a team effort and you dont put somebody in the HALL strictly becuase they have a team win 2 bowls. Its based on MORE than just that.
I definitely admit that I see things one sided. I try to be objective, but it doesn't work. I'm just pointing out some arguments you could say in his favor. I recognize all the things that can be said against him too. Go back into my posts a month or two ago and I said I think a lot of the time he hurts the team more than he helps it.
But I have seen every single one of his NFL snaps, and watching him play is one of the best things I've seen in 25 years as a Steelers fan (after Bettis, and the defenses).
But I have seen every single one of his NFL snaps, and watching him play is one of the best things I've seen in 25 years as a Steelers fan (after Bettis, and the defenses).
The Steelers defensive ranking from '04-'08:
'04: Total Points Allowed: #1 Total Yards Allowed: #1
'05: Total Points Allowed: #3 Total Yards Allowed: #4
'06: Total Points Allowed: #11 Total Yards Allowed: #9
'04: Total Points Allowed: #2 Total Yards Allowed: #1
'04: Total Points Allowed: #1 Total Yards Allowed: #1
Sorry I still don't think he's a HOFer at this point, because it's still way too early to determine. His passing numbers are decent but the Steelers are more of a rushing/time control team.
'04: Total Points Allowed: #1 Total Yards Allowed: #1
'05: Total Points Allowed: #3 Total Yards Allowed: #4
'06: Total Points Allowed: #11 Total Yards Allowed: #9
'04: Total Points Allowed: #2 Total Yards Allowed: #1
'04: Total Points Allowed: #1 Total Yards Allowed: #1
Sorry I still don't think he's a HOFer at this point, because it's still way too early to determine. His passing numbers are decent but the Steelers are more of a rushing/time control team.
