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I look at it as promotion for the records that I put my money and time into. Thats for me. Stretch. I cannot and wouldn't speak on anybody else. I don't view it as a "problem" but more like the evolution of technology. It's all about "ease of use" and it's easier to get an album for free then it is to buy it and as long as that's the case this will continue. I've embraced it and use it to our advantage. Cuz 9/10 people are not gonna buy the album before hearing it just cuz they couldn't download it. If the album is good word will spread and money will come from shows, merchandise and even records sales from the fans you've EARNED.
True spit OG. Ive used it mainly as promo and didn't really trip because I can cover project cost just off the beats, mixing, and studio time I sell. But googling it up and seeing all these Forums/ blog sites with it posted freely , i wanted to see what the process was to get these off there sites, did a little homework and was able to get the links deleted off quiet quickly. Off course you cant get them all off, but it does slow down the rate at which the cd gets mooched. FUCK ALL YOU MOOCHING AS MATHAFAKS lol..there i said it.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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I can understand both arguments.
If its someone like E-40 I know right away thats gonna slap and I buy without downloading or listening to snippets. If its dope I like to put some money in the artists pocket for quality music.

But on the other side alot of wack ass music is around right now and people cant afford to buy 10 upcoming albums without hearing atleast part of em, for the fear that its recycled songs or just crap.

An album like Indo and Agermans deserves to be bought and I can see how that would piss them off if its on a bunch of sites for free download, can report the links and get em taken down but as others said, 10mins later new link will be up.

Its more the group rippers, uploaders and host sites that are the issue then the person who posted the link. You can really just type in the name of an album on google, put download behind it and there you go.

Hard to say about a way to deal with this issue though, I see good points on both sides. Guess I just trust people to buy something that they REALLY like.

I wouldnt have found out about alot of Jazz from around the world or some of the less known bay area artists without the internet, cant buy an album if you aint heard of the mc or group before. As THIZZ said, sometimes its good exposure as some of those dudes who downloaded will buy it to slap the real cd in there ride,etc..

There still are people out there who like to support good music though.
If all albums were the quality of Known Associates Vol.3, SB and Krypto - Covering Grounds or this new Agerman/Indo album then I dont think people would pirate as much, but alot of boo boo shit out there these days.

You gotta support good music though if you want more good music to keep coming out ya dig. Quality albums are not done for free.
*Props
 
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The music i post is meant fo informentional purposes only. So if u like it go buy it and support tha artists.





Sounds like a stand up guy to me! thanks for the hookup!
 
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If they dont download it there, they'll get it somewhere else. Fact is, in order to build the grass roots buzz you got to release the music. And mass amounts of it. Big Buzz = sales. If you dont have one, give your shit away for free.
 
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you really have to look at it in a positive way. people getting addicted to new music on a daily basis. so the demand for new music increases. plus people are able to check out something new without spening a dime. so they slap shit from a different artist.
besides the whole album thing is over imo. people buying single tracks. at least i do so.
 
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when rap artist stop rapping about doing illegal shit maybe the fans will stop illegal downloading????

i buy cd's i feel are worth my money and d/l shit i might wann hear later but for the most part i d/l listen and delete. fuck keepin bullshit on my comp taking up valuable harddrive...
couldnt read none of that cus i was to busy starrin at that dude gettin his eye stuck...
 

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if it was the old days some of yall tapes would still get dubbed

or yo cd would still get burned

or you woulda been on someones big ass 1st generation 2gb ipod

as long as they hear you, you should be good

your music will speak for itself at the end of the day when you hit the shelves and if you have true fans theyll spend that 10 when its time for you to perform or drop your album you put money and time behind

if you dont have true fans that will do that then i would say maybe something needs to change in your music so you can reflect how detrimental support is to your type of art

thats why twitter exists , specifically for artists. so they (fans, potential fans) can see up to date how much work you really are putting into the album/line of work, outside of talkin about smoking or whatever. they get to learn the bits and pieces about you that you dont add in your album.

but most people aint gon catch up to how to make money on the net till like 2014..and by then itll be a new way....so if you missed out on the hustle you just missed out by not being up on it

this may not make sense but ill try anyway: a piece of string on a stick with a piece of cheese on it might catch one stupid, hungry fish..but if you actually get a fishing pole and some bait, and maybe read up on fishing you might leave home with a cooler full of fish.

theres more fish on the internet than outside. use that to your advantage somehow

edit: lemme say one other thing. in the graf world, i can make money doing art for people, but i can just as well take my art to the streets, on a wall, and make no money and do it to make a statement; fuck your law, i write my own laws. you see it, and thats what it is. many artists have become world famous by doing this. they started at the bottom to get to the top. and sometimes, went back to the bottom just for fun. i say if youre complaining about dough slowing up due to technology and not finding another way to get your bread you aint really built for the shit in the first place.

and that is to no one in particular but its to anyone reading

niggas is ridiculous. like i can youtube half of yall shit. i aint even gotta download it. i can just play the song and save my hard drive space. niggas should be happy they album even exists in someones personal belongings lol whats next i gotta send boosie 50 cent to rock his video on my signature?

the word of the day is: support

PS: get used to it, were not going to go back to 1980 all the sudden. none of us are marty mcfly and the car aint big enough for the entire world. its gon get worse.

solution: study 'hacking'. learn about 15+ years of computer knowledge. buy ninja swords. cut the head of every fat kid leaking music at his mothers basement across the world. break into file hosting services in russia, korea, guam, and angola. kill everyone. do all this undetected by dna, fingerprints, footprints, hairs, sneakerprints, skin, videocameras, IP adresses, and those fucking cameras on street lights, and you may save the world.

oh yeah and dont take planes. take jets, or mules to your destination. sneak across borders through intricate tunnels you learned through african-american slavery smuggling. be smart, young warrior..and we might be back to buying cds again. wouldnt that be great?
 
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Simply put, people download albums because they don't want to pay for them and it's easy. As an artist what would you rather have......nobody downloading OR buying your shit, or people downloading your shit?
 
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niggas should be happy they album even exists in someones personal belongings lol whats next i gotta send boosie 50 cent to rock his video on my signature?

the word of the day is: support

PS: get used to it, were not going to go back to 1980 all the sudden. none of us are marty mcfly and the car aint big enough for the entire world. its gon get worse.
That is exactly how I feel. There is so much value in music. It's just not as profitable in physical CD's and Paid downloads right now. Those same "illegally" downloaded albums can lead to shows in markets you have never been to or a purchase or a merchandise sale or a licensing deal or a paid feature. We cannot have the same business model for 25 years and then complain about technology when that business model stops working. We put a ton of money, time and energy into these projects and should be compensated but at the same time we cannot fight the inevitable which is technology. But to each his own. Everybody has the right to deal with pirating the way they want to.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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Simply put, people download albums because they don't want to pay for them and it's easy.
bingo, just tired of the candy coated excuses of why they dl them. But as stated you cant stop technology. But for the record , artist if you want to stop your music from being pirated there are ways to get alot of it deleted...it will take time but you can get alot of it off..just takes time.
 
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bingo, just tired of the candy coated excuses of why they dl them. But as stated you cant stop technology. But for the record , artist if you want to stop your music from being pirated there are ways to get alot of it deleted...it will take time but you can get alot of it off..just takes time.

How much time? How many downloads later? It's like trying to kill all the terrorist. You kill one and more keep popping up. Seems like the more you get rid of, the faster they multiply. Plus more and more aggressive.

Unity? I even doubt that. That's like George Clooney's movement to stop paparazzi's. It didn't work. How about Illegal aliens, contraband, the war on drugs, gang violence etc. You catch clusters here and there, but you can't stop it.

I'm not trying to be negative or bringing in sarcasm. Just pointing out a lot of things other than downloading, that continue to be a problem in the world and can't be eliminated.
 

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That is exactly how I feel. There is so much value in music. It's just not as profitable in physical CD's and Paid downloads right now. Those same "illegally" downloaded albums can lead to shows in markets you have never been to or a purchase or a merchandise sale or a licensing deal or a paid feature. We cannot have the same business model for 25 years and then complain about technology when that business model stops working. We put a ton of money, time and energy into these projects and should be compensated but at the same time we cannot fight the inevitable which is technology. But to each his own. Everybody has the right to deal with pirating the way they want to.
im glad theres a thinker on the other side of this shit. thats really all i gotta know. its cool to understand theres atleast one nigga behind albums i might purchase, thinking the same way i do.

cuz at the end of the day, unlike alot of niggas on here i might actually support some shit with thizzz/town thizzness logo on it. i be at the stores and see that, and as a poster on this site i buy niggas shit cuz yall looked out for us.

at the end of the day tho i dont wanna talk too much good lookin for the music continue on cuz ill cash out 10 for yall to provide us somethin to ride to.
 
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For some reason this reminds me of this scene in belly:



"I don't like that shit, I don't like that shit, I'm finna drop a dime on them niggas"


Seriously this is on some Lars Ulrich type shit. The same old excuse? Maybe we are tired of the same old excuse from some of you producer/artists claiming you are releasing the greatest thing since the fucking Television and you go and release some bootsy ass bullshit that will be thrown in the trash and forgotten after the first spin.

Once again it comes down to how good your product really is and maybe you should re-evaluate that because on some real shit, your music is nothing new and you really don't bring anything to my attention that blows me away and/or makes me want to go out of my way to buy your shit.
 
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I HAVE LIKE 450 CDS IN MY COLLECTION
AND I STOPT COLLECTING LIKE THREE YRS AGO
CUZ I WAS BUYING A GANG OF SHIT FROM
RAPBAY WHICH HAS DECENT PRICES BUT MY COLLECTION
STARTED TO GET ALOT OF GARBAGE IN THERE
I BUY A CD EVERY NOW AND THEN AND ITS A GAMBLE

IF I KNEW ABOUT THIS SIGHT AHEAD OF TIME
MY COLLECTION WOULD BE BIG AS FUCK W TIGHT ASS SHIT IN IT
RATHER THAN ALL THESE CDS I SHOULD FREZBEE

GRIP OF FREZBEES
 
Dec 26, 2004
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For some reason this reminds me of this scene in belly:



"I don't like that shit, I don't like that shit, I'm finna drop a dime on them niggas"


Seriously this is on some Lars Ulrich type shit. The same old excuse? Maybe we are tired of the same old excuse from some of you producer/artists claiming you are releasing the greatest thing since the fucking Television and you go and release some bootsy ass bullshit that will be thrown in the trash and forgotten after the first spin.

Once again it comes down to how good your product really is and maybe you should re-evaluate that because on some real shit, your music is nothing new and you really don't bring anything to my attention that blows me away and/or makes me want to go out of my way to buy your shit.

Tell me how you really feel lol. Almost like I personally struck your nerve, or maybe you own one of the D/L sites lol I dont know. Im doing something right to last this long in the game and still get paid doing what I love. Thanx for your opinion homie and I will be sure to step it up 10 more notches just for you sport! Alot of valid points..i just look at it like this, you going to let the bully at school keep taking your lunch money, or are you going to punch that sucka in the nose...I guess i got alot of noses to punch lol.
 
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Good Thread, both sides of the fence bein repped here. I'm the type that likes to buy my favorite artists CDs be it rap or rock or whatever but its true some shit I have downloaded made me not go buy that shit when I usually would have. Only thing I do is buy the next product out of guilt lol. Who wouldda though the internet would have brough the game down to this situation? Why didn't mini-disks catch on to make the CD's smaller with the same capacity and in a cartrige to protect the disks?! So you have to buy that shit over & over again! CD, DVD Blue Ray whatever the fuck. It's all a scam and its sad, we have the intelligence and technology to make these products last forever like a nintendo/sega cartrige and still we dont? That's my question, why the fuck did we let this happen? How did we let this happen? I'v had to buy some of my favorite shit a several times through the years because of this so instead I just download that old school classic shit that I already bought on tape or CD back in the day feel me. Anyway I do think its fucked up that artists & film are gettin the shaft but at least people still love to go the the movie theaters, at least people still like a good live show, at least there's still folks who buy hardcopies cause they are collectors, at least there's itunes and we know it works. Sad state of affairs but that's the world we live in. Make the best of it, diversify your dividends!
 
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free music has always been great marketing for record labels. i know it sounds crazy to try to make money off of something that is readily available for free but ive seen crazier shit. people that download illegally and dont support the artists they steal from are always gonna be there so you gotta look at it like some type of wom promotion..... but, the people that obtain music legally are going to continue to support the artists they listen too. anyone who is upset with current cd sales should take a look at history because a poor economy has a direct correlation with poor cd sales. regardless, the rap game is survival of the fittest.