Atheism quotes
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so he is sittin around, and your about to die, so he fuckin flips on the tv and there you are, about to make that final decision that he doesnt know the outcome, and he bets some angel that your going to choose him over atheism, and then *BANG* out of left field you choose atheism, that makes him wrong, then you would have freewill and he would only have had a 50/50 shot at getting it right, so he wouldnt be all knowing, thus proving your beliefs wrong
you just killed your own argument, just because you dont know the choices does that mean god doesnt know, i mean coming from the religious side?
once again if god is ALL KNOWING, then he knows your gonna have the eggs and not cheerios, because he is ALL KNOWING, now he knows everything, except whats for breakfast.
this coming from the idea that christians believe god is all knowing and perfect. am i wrong?
He killed the argument, because he is saying this as if he believed in god, if im not mistaken, saying it hypothetically. God is supposed to be all knowing in your religion right? you believe god is all knowing and perfect right? well if he is all knowing, than there is no freewill because he knows. you may not know, but he does. if there are choices laid out for you and he knows the outcome then it is predetermined.
you just killed your own argument, just because you dont know the choices does that mean god doesnt know, i mean coming from the religious side?
once again if god is ALL KNOWING, then he knows your gonna have the eggs and not cheerios, because he is ALL KNOWING, now he knows everything, except whats for breakfast.
this coming from the idea that christians believe god is all knowing and perfect. am i wrong?
He killed the argument, because he is saying this as if he believed in god, if im not mistaken, saying it hypothetically. God is supposed to be all knowing in your religion right? you believe god is all knowing and perfect right? well if he is all knowing, than there is no freewill because he knows. you may not know, but he does. if there are choices laid out for you and he knows the outcome then it is predetermined.
if God is ALL KNOWING, then that means just that...that would also mean that God knows what you're going to do tomorrow, and the next day, and so on --if this is the case, your future is already set --which indicates that there is NO free will......
however, all of these arguments are based on premises...if you refute the premise, then you can refute the entire argument...
however, all of these arguments are based on premises...if you refute the premise, then you can refute the entire argument...
I did not read through every page in this thread but I want to throw this out there. Now I don't know if God is "All Knowing" or not, but I do not understand how God knowing the future disproves free will. This would only be true if the decisions we make are done solely because he knows we will make them. His understanding for the decisions we make does not necessarily dictate the actual choices. You don't choose to do A over B because God knows you will, he simply knows that out of your own interest, because he knows everything about you, you will choose A.
I am not trying to rationalize the "All Knowing" trait of God, rather the philosophical aspect of knowing the future and it's affect on free will.
2-0-Sixx: Would your logic not be flawed if we are to believe that God himself did not directly create you? If there is a God, and this God created life which reproduced and transcended through time without his interference, and you are simply the product of your own environment, and yet God still knew you were going to be an atheist before you were born (but did nothing to stop it); does this really constitute a lack of free will with respect to what I already said?
I do not know what the Bible reads in regards to God creating each individual. But if you are basing your argument on what the Bible literally says, and it says that God created each individual one by one then my "argument" (for lack of better word) holds no ground. But for the sake of conversing with someone who does not base their beliefs entirely on the Bible, perhaps you might still answer the question.
Regards.
I am not trying to rationalize the "All Knowing" trait of God, rather the philosophical aspect of knowing the future and it's affect on free will.
2-0-Sixx: Would your logic not be flawed if we are to believe that God himself did not directly create you? If there is a God, and this God created life which reproduced and transcended through time without his interference, and you are simply the product of your own environment, and yet God still knew you were going to be an atheist before you were born (but did nothing to stop it); does this really constitute a lack of free will with respect to what I already said?
I do not know what the Bible reads in regards to God creating each individual. But if you are basing your argument on what the Bible literally says, and it says that God created each individual one by one then my "argument" (for lack of better word) holds no ground. But for the sake of conversing with someone who does not base their beliefs entirely on the Bible, perhaps you might still answer the question.
Regards.
Its your opinion and I dont hate you for that. My God is perfect and I dont have to justify him for you. I have been through some things that you can not understand. He was there for me when no-one else was or could be. Thats life. But to say he killed my argument is far from the truth. Like I said you have the right to understand things as you see fit.
Peace.
yeah i feel ya, im just looking at it like, ok this is what this says, so if it says hes all knowing, then how can we have freewill? i respect your opinion, i respect everyones, but im trying to understand it, i was hoping there was somethin i was missing and be like "Oh, ok, now it makes sense", ya feel me? As i see it, if i were to be a theist, then that would be hard to deal with... but im not so im just trying to understand whats goin on in your head, because im still stickin with my common sense
^^^Some things go far beyond the reach of common comprehension or sense. Sometimes you just have to believe. I still respect your opinion homie. Whats going on in my head sometimes does'nt make sense to me. In the end I trust that God will help through what needs to be done. Its hard to explain until you feel it.
it will always be to each his own... i used to believe in god and used to pray every night, then i found out what i believe is the truth for me... it is very liberating to break away from the idea of god, because once you are on the outside of that belief, you see how most religious stuff just doesnt make sense. i feel that i will have a better life now dependeing on myself, than incorporating a god into everything i go through bad and good and depending on him.
Those quotes are very strong, im gonna save them. it is funny to see that the smartest people seem to reject the idea of god, like einstein, franklin, all the philosophers and scientists and all. good read...
Those quotes are very strong, im gonna save them. it is funny to see that the smartest people seem to reject the idea of god, like einstein, franklin, all the philosophers and scientists and all. good read...
I'll answer my own question:
1 Atheist in the entire HISTORY of congress, 0 Atheists in Senate.
Congressman Holds No God-Belief
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to acknowledge his nontheism
For Immediate Release
Contact: Lori Lipman Brown, (202) 299-1091
March 12, 2007
There is only one member of Congress who is on record as not holding a god-belief.
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), a member of Congress since 1973, acknowledged his nontheism in response to an inquiry by the Secular Coalition for America (www.secular.org ). Rep. Stark is a senior member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee and is Chair of the Health Subcommittee.
Although the Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office, the Coalition's research reveals that Rep. Stark is the first open nontheist in the history of the Congress. Recent polls show that Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or she were the most qualified for the office.
Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America, attributes these attitudes to the demonization of people who don't believe in God. "The truth is," says Silverman, "the vast majority of us follow the Golden Rule and are as likely to be good citizens, just like Rep. Stark with over 30 years of exemplary public service. The only way to counter the prejudice against nontheists is for more people to publicly identify as nontheists. Rep. Stark shows remarkable courage in being the first member of Congress to do so."
In October, 2006 the Secular Coalition for America, a national lobby representing the interests of atheists, humanists, freethinkers, and other nontheists, announced a contest. At the time, few if any elected officials, even at the lowest level, would self-identify as a nontheist. So the Coalition offered $1,000 to the person who could identify the highest level atheist, agnostic, humanist or any other kind of nontheist currently holding elected public office in the United States.
In addition to Rep. Stark only three other elected officials agreed to do so: Terry S. Doran, president of the School Board in Berkeley, Calif.; Nancy Glista on the School Committee in Franklin, Maine; and Michael Cerone, a Town Meeting Member from Arlington, Mass.
Surveys vary in the percentage of atheists, humanists, freethinkers and other nontheists in the U.S, with about 10% (30 million people) a fair middle point. "If the number of nontheists in Congress reflected the percentage of nontheists in the population," Lori Lipman Brown, director of the Secular Coalition, observes, "there would be 53-54 nontheistic Congress members instead of one."
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) is first Congress member in history to acknowledge his nontheism
For Immediate Release
Contact: Lori Lipman Brown, (202) 299-1091
March 12, 2007
There is only one member of Congress who is on record as not holding a god-belief.
Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), a member of Congress since 1973, acknowledged his nontheism in response to an inquiry by the Secular Coalition for America (www.secular.org ). Rep. Stark is a senior member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee and is Chair of the Health Subcommittee.
Although the Constitution prohibits religious tests for public office, the Coalition's research reveals that Rep. Stark is the first open nontheist in the history of the Congress. Recent polls show that Americans without a god-belief are, as a group, more distrusted than any other minority in America. Surveys show that the majority of Americans would not vote for an atheist for president even if he or she were the most qualified for the office.
Herb Silverman, president of the Secular Coalition for America, attributes these attitudes to the demonization of people who don't believe in God. "The truth is," says Silverman, "the vast majority of us follow the Golden Rule and are as likely to be good citizens, just like Rep. Stark with over 30 years of exemplary public service. The only way to counter the prejudice against nontheists is for more people to publicly identify as nontheists. Rep. Stark shows remarkable courage in being the first member of Congress to do so."
In October, 2006 the Secular Coalition for America, a national lobby representing the interests of atheists, humanists, freethinkers, and other nontheists, announced a contest. At the time, few if any elected officials, even at the lowest level, would self-identify as a nontheist. So the Coalition offered $1,000 to the person who could identify the highest level atheist, agnostic, humanist or any other kind of nontheist currently holding elected public office in the United States.
In addition to Rep. Stark only three other elected officials agreed to do so: Terry S. Doran, president of the School Board in Berkeley, Calif.; Nancy Glista on the School Committee in Franklin, Maine; and Michael Cerone, a Town Meeting Member from Arlington, Mass.
Surveys vary in the percentage of atheists, humanists, freethinkers and other nontheists in the U.S, with about 10% (30 million people) a fair middle point. "If the number of nontheists in Congress reflected the percentage of nontheists in the population," Lori Lipman Brown, director of the Secular Coalition, observes, "there would be 53-54 nontheistic Congress members instead of one."
http://www.secular.org/news/pete_stark_070312.html
1 Atheist in the entire HISTORY of congress, 0 Atheists in Senate.
Try agnostic....
go to page 2 of this thread http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228703&page=2
to and read my post for more info
go to page 2 of this thread http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228703&page=2
to and read my post for more info
Judging from my postcount... yeah, somewut... although I don't plan on posting too much on here as things can get redundant at times... but when I'm at work it's good... but yeah... feel free to get the opinion of a former athiest turned agnostic if you want....
http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228703&page=2
buddah bless
http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228703&page=2
buddah bless