Army officer refuses to fight

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By Akiko Fujita
Republished from Yahoo! News


"The war in Iraq would make him "party to war crimes" and he would not go."

TACOMA, Washington (Reuters) – A U.S. Army officer said on Wednesday that fighting in the war in Iraq would make him “party to war crimes” and he would not go.

First Lt. Ehren Watada’s supporters—including clergy and a military family group—said he is the first commissioned officer to publicly refuse to serve in Iraq and risked being court-martialed.

The Pentagon said Watada was among a number of officers and enlisted personnel who have applied for conscientious objector status.

“The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people is not only a terrible moral injustice but a contradiction of the Army’s own law of land warfare. My participation would make me party to war crimes,” said Watada in a taped statement played at a Tacoma news conference.

His superiors at the nearby Fort Lewis military base would not let Watada leave the base to attend the press conference. Another news conference took place in Watada’s native Hawaii.

Watada, 28, had been scheduled to be deployed to Iraq for his first tour later this month. He joined the Army in 2003, and has served in Korea.

Watada said his moral and legal obligations were to the U.S. Constitution “not those who would issue unlawful orders.”

Nearly 2,500 U.S. soldiers and an estimated 40,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

In recent weeks, Marines have been accused of killing 24 Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha, raising concerns about abuse of force.

Paul Boyce, Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said Watada’s case was being reviewed, adding it “is not the first case, nor is his case particularly unique.”

Joe Colgan, whose son Benjamin was killed in Iraq, said sending sons and daughters to Iraq was “unpatriotic.”

“I ask that we all think about our moral conscience and what we have done in God’s name,” said Colgan.

(Additional reporting by Will Dunham in Washington D.C.)
 

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Good for him, too bad most people are eager to go there and kill them some Iraqis....Fuckin red neck inbreedin mu fuckas...
 
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i was in the military. what he did takes alot of balls. it's hard to follow your heart in there, most just keep following their last orders like a robot.
 

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Calm 1 NPK 503 said:
I say more power to him for standing out against the war.
What are you talking about. The guy joined the fuckin' military. He no longer has the right to protest the war and last I heard, people that join the military are obligated to fight in a war in the event that one occurs. It's as simple as that.

jose g.r. said:
it's hard to follow your heart in there, most just keep following their last orders like a robot.
What the fuck is following your heart? What does that mean in relation to the military? You're supposed to become machine like. You forfeit all of that independent shit when you join the military.


I suggest creating an internment camp for he, his family and his supporters.
 
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PGBD said:
What are you talking about. The guy joined the fuckin' military. He no longer has the right to protest the war and last I heard, people that join the military are obligated to fight in a war in the event that one occurs. It's as simple as that.
Don't people have the right to change their minds? And weren't a lot of people lied to about the Iraq war and actually believed the commander and theif?

What the fuck is following your heart?
Standing up for what you believe in, no matter what the consequences are.

You're supposed to become machine like. You forfeit all of that independent shit when you join the military.
Maybe the guy doesn't want to be a robotic killing machine. Or maybe he doesn’t want the military to own him anymore.

I agree, he shouldn't have joined in the first place, but he's still a man.
 
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I heard about him on the radio, dude says he doesn't want out of the military and would/will fight in a war, just not this one because, in this war, he'd be considered a war criminal for waging war on a country with the false pretenses we were given. Knowing now that the reasoning for war was false he feels obligated as an officer in the military not to fight.

He took an oath to defend the constitution and he believes that's what he's doing.
 

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2-0-Sixx “The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people is not only a terrible moral injustice but a contradiction of the Army’s own law of land warfare..."said Watada in a taped statement played at a Tacoma news conference.QUOTE said:
He's never served time in Iraq. how would he actually know?
 
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Sixxness said:
Good for him, too bad most people are eager to go there and kill them some Iraqis....Fuckin red neck inbreedin mu fuckas...
Which reminds me: Only Fuckin red neck inbreeds say things like "mu fuckas".


This man is a coward. This is like a cop refusing to shoot an armed suspect, because it would constitute "murder"--No, no it would not, and his personal opinion means dick. If he NEEDED a personal opinion on the legality of the war, I'm sure there's a superior officer that would be happy to provide him with one.

If you don't want to go to war, don't sign up for the fucking army. Its a simple concept. Don't think you're going to get a free ride, then turn bitch when you get that phone call and start reciting some bogus shit to try and get yourself out of it. Man up.
 

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If you don't want to go to war, don't sign up for the fucking army. Its a simple concept. Don't think you're going to get a free ride, then turn bitch when you get that phone call and start reciting some bogus shit to try and get yourself out of it. Man up.
interesting........
 

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The man is taking a stand for what he believes in. The cowards are the ones who wage this war from afar at the expense of others. Also, am I missing something here? Are those of you who are speaking out against this man implying that he should be a mindless killing machine? Are you saying that one should fight for the millitary (regardless if the war is right or wrong) on the sole basis that one signed to be in the millitary?
 
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Dirty Shoez said:
Which reminds me: Only Fuckin red neck inbreeds say things like "mu fuckas".


This man is a coward.
Nah, this man is a hero for standing up for what he beleives in.


This is like a cop refusing to shoot an armed suspect
More like a cop who denies his orders to kill an innocent man or to turn his cheek when a fellow officer rapes a woman.
 
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He took an oath to defend the constitution and he believes that's what he's doing.
I was in the military and actually part of the oath when you swear in is following the orders of the president of the united states. Either way it is his decision. He'll have to pay the consequences for his actions.
 
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I was in the military and actually part of the oath when you swear in is following the orders of the president of the united states.

The United States Military Oath of Allegiance is a solemn oath taken by members of the United States Armed Services on commissioning(he's an officer):

"I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Note that the last line is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection)"


The oath of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.:

"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States{{, the governor of the state of _______ (for National Guard enlistees)}} and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962)."



maybe you should have paid more attention to what you were saying?
 

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ColdBlooded said:
The United States Military Oath of Allegiance is a solemn oath taken by members of the United States Armed Services on commissioning(he's an officer):

"I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Note that the last line is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection)"


The oath of enlistment is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military.:

"I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States{{, the governor of the state of _______ (for National Guard enlistees)}} and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962)."



maybe you should have paid more attention to what you were saying?
:dead: x mac luv