ARE YOU A REAL BLOOD OR CRIP? (VIDEO)
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To say that the Westcoast "produced soldiers" and was more "active" in comparison to the other regions is a little misleading. Malcolm and the Fruits of Islam were militant before Compton was even considered a black city. We have to remember white flight in most WestCoast neighborhoods had just begun to happen in the 50s and early 60s....that's the same time Malcolm and the FOI was making noise on the Eastcoast. Compton and most of South Central in general were middle class white neighborhoods up until that point. So to say the "soldiers came form the westcoast" isn't entirely accurate. There were soldiers in the other regions before Westcoast neighborhoods really had a solid black population. Oakland did have a high population of blacks during the 50s and early 60s, but they weren't militant until Huey P and Bobby Seale organized....and they based their platform off what Malcolm said and did.
@DHADNOT I hear what you saying about the 41st n Central situation, I just feel like all of that happened after the Panther's effect was already waning. Hell the Panther's couldn't even control Oakland the way they wanted. Felix Mitchell and MOB had the streets on lock....but again, it was already after the CIA's COINTELPRO had significantly diminished the Black Panther Party. I mean the Bloods and Crips didn't really take full control of LA till when, early 70's? By that time the Panthers were not the same Panthers as they were 5 years earlier. My point is, the "ACTION OVER THEORY" notion wasn't prevalent on the Westcoast because we had more riders or soldiers than everybody else, rather the people who advocated theory were silenced by the government. COINTELPRO devastated the Panthers. Look at the affect it had on Huey. No way a revolutionary genius like him should have been killed in West Oakland over drugs. Voices were silenced, all that was left was action.
@DHADNOT I hear what you saying about the 41st n Central situation, I just feel like all of that happened after the Panther's effect was already waning. Hell the Panther's couldn't even control Oakland the way they wanted. Felix Mitchell and MOB had the streets on lock....but again, it was already after the CIA's COINTELPRO had significantly diminished the Black Panther Party. I mean the Bloods and Crips didn't really take full control of LA till when, early 70's? By that time the Panthers were not the same Panthers as they were 5 years earlier. My point is, the "ACTION OVER THEORY" notion wasn't prevalent on the Westcoast because we had more riders or soldiers than everybody else, rather the people who advocated theory were silenced by the government. COINTELPRO devastated the Panthers. Look at the affect it had on Huey. No way a revolutionary genius like him should have been killed in West Oakland over drugs. Voices were silenced, all that was left was action.
1. Producing soldiers is what is said in the Nation Of Islam about the West Coast. They have been saying that since the 60's. I never said more "active".
2. Los Angeles ALSO had a large Black Community back then. Inner city to suburb, Compton is a suberb. As "white flight" was taking place, Blacks kept moving in those directions also.
3. Malcolm X got the temple in Frisco up and running, on one of his many trips to California.
4. I didnt say soldiers ONLY came from the West Coast.
5. Huey and Bobby basing thier point program on what Malcolm said and did is true in a sense. Malcolm was following the lead of HIS teacher, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. There would be no Malcolm, if there were no Elijah. People always marvel at the student, but forget the teacher.
2. Los Angeles ALSO had a large Black Community back then. Inner city to suburb, Compton is a suberb. As "white flight" was taking place, Blacks kept moving in those directions also.
3. Malcolm X got the temple in Frisco up and running, on one of his many trips to California.
4. I didnt say soldiers ONLY came from the West Coast.
5. Huey and Bobby basing thier point program on what Malcolm said and did is true in a sense. Malcolm was following the lead of HIS teacher, The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. There would be no Malcolm, if there were no Elijah. People always marvel at the student, but forget the teacher.
Someone earlier said that blacks on the WestCoast represented "active over theory" more than blacks everywhere else...I was just stating that those type of claims aren't true.
I hear you on the population thing, and I'm not saying the WestCoast didn't produce soldiers that were ready to die for the cause, I'm saying that men who came to be soldiers didn't do so at the expense of the overall cause. Black ppl on the WestCoast weren't being soldiers just for the sake of being soldiers. They didn't ignore the theory behind what they were riding for.
You are right about Elijah and Malcolm, only there were TWO Malcolm X's....the NOI Malcolm, and the Sunni Islam Malcolm. Malcolm abandoned many of Elijah's teachings when he learned about some of the shady stuff going on behind the scenes. And Elijah grew apart from Malcolm when he saw that Malcolm was shifting towards more of a Black Nationalist approach. That one of the many things that caused their split. Black Nationalism is one of the main aspects of Malcolm's teachings that the Panthers drew from. That all came after he left the NOI, and was independent of Elijah's teachings. Malcolm adopted the nationalism approach when he went to Africa and met Kings over there and saw how their nationalism allowed them to be free from their own oppressors. All post-NOI.
I hear you on the population thing, and I'm not saying the WestCoast didn't produce soldiers that were ready to die for the cause, I'm saying that men who came to be soldiers didn't do so at the expense of the overall cause. Black ppl on the WestCoast weren't being soldiers just for the sake of being soldiers. They didn't ignore the theory behind what they were riding for.
You are right about Elijah and Malcolm, only there were TWO Malcolm X's....the NOI Malcolm, and the Sunni Islam Malcolm. Malcolm abandoned many of Elijah's teachings when he learned about some of the shady stuff going on behind the scenes. And Elijah grew apart from Malcolm when he saw that Malcolm was shifting towards more of a Black Nationalist approach. That one of the many things that caused their split. Black Nationalism is one of the main aspects of Malcolm's teachings that the Panthers drew from. That all came after he left the NOI, and was independent of Elijah's teachings. Malcolm adopted the nationalism approach when he went to Africa and met Kings over there and saw how their nationalism allowed them to be free from their own oppressors. All post-NOI.
With all due respect Sir, Malcolm NEVER went away from the teachings. Even after the split he still professed that God came in the person of Master Fard Muhammad. There is a tape on youtube in which Malcolm X is aplogizing to The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and still professes that he believes. He may have parted with that Nation, but the beliefs were still in tact.
You are a sharp brother Townbizz23
Appreciate the conversation. I like the way you think, and articulate your words bro... You actually THINK before you post.
You are a sharp brother Townbizz23
Appreciate the conversation. I like the way you think, and articulate your words bro... You actually THINK before you post.
mullatos and blacs were tha founders of Los Angeles
there were blacs living in Los Angeles in tha 40s, tha population of blacs doubled in tha 1940s in Los Angeles
tha blacs lived along Central Ave. (S. Central ave) thats where tha name South Central came from.........
white flight occured after tha 65 Watts riots...... in most of south los angeles, thats when compton started its shift toward majority blac...
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I understand that you DONT understand. You such a slave and a savage that it turns my stomach sometimes to even look at the bullshit you post. It amazes me that one can be so ignorant, and what really fucks me up, is that YOU ARE NOT FAKING..You are REALLY like that...
It is what it is though... whenever there are Brothers speaking respectfully sharing wisdom, there is always some uncle tom ass, buck dancin, boot-lickin house nigga that come out the wood work with some stupid ass shit. Go read a book...
I understand that you DONT understand. You such a slave and a savage that it turns my stomach sometimes to even look at the bullshit you post. It amazes me that one can be so ignorant, and what really fucks me up, is that YOU ARE NOT FAKING..You are REALLY like that...
It is what it is though... whenever there are Brothers speaking respectfully sharing wisdom, there is always some uncle tom ass, buck dancin, boot-lickin house nigga that come out the wood work with some stupid ass shit. Go read a book...
I appreciate your conversation too I never really talk about shit like this I just read and listen about it.........I've watched like 20 of Malcolm's speeches on youtube I've never heard that one. What I read in his Autobio was that he completely renounced the NOI when he returned from Africa. He adopted Sunni Islam and adjusted his stance on the problems of black people back then. You think you could post that speech where he apologized?
I just watched it damn that's an eye opener. Do you know when he made this and why it wasn't mentioned in his book?
LOL i dont know man this apology directly contradicts the dozens of speeches Malcolm had already made denouncing those teachings. To make a 180 degree turn seems fraudulent. Do you think it had anything to do with the many assassination attempts that the NOI was supposedly sending to Malcolm?
I just watched it damn that's an eye opener. Do you know when he made this and why it wasn't mentioned in his book?
LOL i dont know man this apology directly contradicts the dozens of speeches Malcolm had already made denouncing those teachings. To make a 180 degree turn seems fraudulent. Do you think it had anything to do with the many assassination attempts that the NOI was supposedly sending to Malcolm?
Crazy huh? My folks Bro. Nasir Muhammad had it posted on his Facebook page like two days ago. It was the first time that I had heard that also. It just goes to show that we must always seek knowledge and dig deeper, and not just take things at face value. Given what he is saying on the tape, it was after a major rift between the two. It also implies that Malcolm was hoping that Elijah heard it. When at one time he could have just went and met with Elijah. If you listen to some of the words he is actually reciting the prayer which some of it goes, "I have been unjust to myself, and I do confess my faults, so grant me protection against my faults for none cant grant protection but thee, and O' Allah guide me to the best of morals, for none can guide me to the best of morals but thee, and turn away from me the evil and indecent morals, for none can turn away the evil and indecent morals but thee....."
As far as the N.O.I. and the death threats that Malcolm was receiving, every black orginazation has or had been infiltrated, ESPECIALLY in those times when racist ass homosexual J. Edgar Hoover was in power. This is where Cointelpro came into play. You had agents that were black, and seemed like they were in whatever movement, but really they were tools and fools, and played like pawns in a bigger scope of things. Perfect example is the movie Panther (cause I know you up outta Oakland, LOL) when that cat from the Mob says, "hey I didnt know they had colored agents", then light skinned house nigga agent replied, somthing to the affect of "different jobs require different agents..." So they used another Black Man to get close into the Panther and work to undermine it from within. Same with that Nation Of Islam. There was no order saying go kill Malcolm. If that were the case he would have been dead WAY before he was murdered. The fact that it was Black folks that did it, and they were said to be out of the Nation Of Islam, like they were sent as assassins, has done a remarkable job of pulling the wool over the eyes of alot of our people AND have turned alot of our people off when it comes to the NOI. EXACTLY what the goal was for Fag ass J. Edgar Hoover. Cause even now in 2010, if you are selling a paper, pie, or any other product and try to get at some of our people about the Nation, most of the people who reject the product say, "Naw, Yall killed Malcolm!". :ermm:
Another thing you can google is paperwork from Cointelpro in which it is stated that Black People in America are due a Messiah. Dick Sucking J. Edgar Hoover firmly believed this. He didnt know if it was MLK, Elijah, someone out of the Panthers, etc.... sop he set out to eradicate ALL those groups. The Nation fell in 75', but it is back up, NEVER to fall again....
As far as the N.O.I. and the death threats that Malcolm was receiving, every black orginazation has or had been infiltrated, ESPECIALLY in those times when racist ass homosexual J. Edgar Hoover was in power. This is where Cointelpro came into play. You had agents that were black, and seemed like they were in whatever movement, but really they were tools and fools, and played like pawns in a bigger scope of things. Perfect example is the movie Panther (cause I know you up outta Oakland, LOL) when that cat from the Mob says, "hey I didnt know they had colored agents", then light skinned house nigga agent replied, somthing to the affect of "different jobs require different agents..." So they used another Black Man to get close into the Panther and work to undermine it from within. Same with that Nation Of Islam. There was no order saying go kill Malcolm. If that were the case he would have been dead WAY before he was murdered. The fact that it was Black folks that did it, and they were said to be out of the Nation Of Islam, like they were sent as assassins, has done a remarkable job of pulling the wool over the eyes of alot of our people AND have turned alot of our people off when it comes to the NOI. EXACTLY what the goal was for Fag ass J. Edgar Hoover. Cause even now in 2010, if you are selling a paper, pie, or any other product and try to get at some of our people about the Nation, most of the people who reject the product say, "Naw, Yall killed Malcolm!". :ermm:
Another thing you can google is paperwork from Cointelpro in which it is stated that Black People in America are due a Messiah. Dick Sucking J. Edgar Hoover firmly believed this. He didnt know if it was MLK, Elijah, someone out of the Panthers, etc.... sop he set out to eradicate ALL those groups. The Nation fell in 75', but it is back up, NEVER to fall again....
I need to see that vid. I never thought the nation killed Malcolm, there were too many agents. (Same thing with US and the Panthers). I think they said Malcolm's closest bodyguard was undercover FBI, and directly after he got shot the dude started doing CPR on him, something you not supposed to do with lung gunshot injuries, or something to that effect, and FB and those groups are trained in that. Hoover put black groups on the top of the list before KKK the mafia, etc., they were really afraid.
@BIG REECE & @DHADNOT Yall speaking real spill right now. The main objective of COINTELPRO was to infiltrate and take down from the inside......Clearly that is what they did to Malcolm and the NOI. They created a divided house and it crumbled. The Panthers too. My only thing is that the problems Malcolm had with Elijah weren't manufactured by Hoover or the CIA. Malcolm really did have an issue with the supposed extramarital affairs of Elijah.....those issues in part led him to question his teachings, which led him to start thinking for himself, and led him to Black Nationalism, which is a concept that Elijah and the NOI didn't directly advocate. Although it appears that Malcolm may have regretted what transpired, I find it hard to believe that the intellectual part of him could simply let go of what he came to believe when he parted with the NOI. I think Malcolm came to represent the classic battle of faith/religion vs. logic/reasoning. Somebody needs to bring this stuff to the light cuz I knew nothing about this apology.