Any thoughts on Min. Farrakhan and the N.O.I.?

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May 13, 2002
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No Sir. You have read WAY to much into what was said.

Let me put it this way Sir. If you have a paticular field of expertise, and you are trying to teach someone what you know. Someone that thinks they may know, they will go off of what they think they know as being correct, as opposed to just listening and soaking what is being taught.

Take a Mechanic that has been fixing cars for 30 years, telling some 19 yr. old cat that took about a months worth of classes in auto repair. The 19yr. old may have his own views on how he thinks the engine can be repaired, where as the 30 yr vet knows exactly what needs to be done.

Yoda taught Luke, not the other way around Sir.

8Why you bring Allah in this, I made no mention of him. Sounds like you got issue with Islam, and religion in general
OK, that makes much more sense to me now. Thank you for clearing that up. The way you put it kinda made me think the way I did, but I get exactly what you mean.

And I brought Allah into this because I thought you quoted scriptures or something. I have no problem whatsoever with Allah nor Islam, I am just ignorant on some parts of the religion but I learn from you and I won't forget.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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OK, that makes much more sense to me now. Thank you for clearing that up. The way you put it kinda made me think the way I did, but I get exactly what you mean.

And I brought Allah into this because I thought you quoted scriptures or something. I have no problem whatsoever with Allah nor Islam, I am just ignorant on some parts of the religion but I learn from you and I won't forget.
We all good Lamberto. It is said that one must make it so plain that even a baby can understand. And we are ALL babies in this (the gathering of knowledge). Some things I learn from you, some you learn from me. The key thing is is that we DO learn.
 
Oct 6, 2005
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Please Sir, Calm down. I did not say that.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said one time, "The hardest person to teach is the one who THINKS they know".

Why did he say that? Because when you are trying to teach someone who ALREADY thinks they know something, they wont listen because they already have thier mind set on what they think the answer, or the information is. Looking at your "shrooms" and "hallucination" comments, you seem to already have your mind made up Sir. Then you also say something to the affect that you dont understand (correct me if I'm wrong) I think BLAZELAZY said it best......

(LOL @ Shrooms comment went over my head. Dont get frustrated Sir, its just conversation. I understand that you DONT understand)

No need to calm down... I'm not excited... Nor frustrated... Here's the deal... YOU asked for opinions on Farrakhan... I gave mine... And for whatever reason (maybe you're in the FOI) you got offended... I said he sounds crazy talking about UFO's... YOUR response... Read Ezekiel... I guess it's suppose to support claims of alien space ships... Well... I read it and found no such evidence... I didn't say I don't understand... I said I have no idea what the 'wheel' in Ezekiel is... A frisbee, a discus, a plate... Don't know... But the burden of proof isn't on me since YOU brought up that passage to support UFO claims... In others words the evidence YOU provided doesn't support that claim... Now you're bringing up Elijah Muhammad quotes suggesting I'm stubborn or hard headed... That won't work... 'Cause I hate fish... Now get those red herrings out of here...!
 
Jul 25, 2004
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are muslims (in general) allowed to drink liquor,smoke tree,or pimp women?

(I ask cuz i kno a few "muslims" that "might" partake in such activitys,WOULD THEY B PHONIE/FAKE 4 THAT?)

&wut are their (muslims) feeling about murder/homicide (for ones own gain or for the good of whatever cause?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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LordByron - Yes I did ask for opinions. So you are correct. You know history best rewards all research? So I gave you the places to look so you can go and seek the answer you are looking for. If I tell you everything, then you would just be going off what I say with a degree of doubt in your mind. So I think it best to see for yourself. So you say you read in Ezikiel, now cross refererence that with lectures of Elijah Muhammad, Min. Farrakhan, and your favorite UFO sightings website. I never said anything about any aliens, yet you mention it in your response. Why? You also assumed that I was offended by something, Why? By your alien reference you just went ahead and proved the point of Elijah Muhammad. hard to teach, cause they think they know. Its already in your mind some ET, alien, Star Trek way of thinking. So when someone tells you to NOT think along those lines, but to think outside the box, you go on with the Alien thinking anyway as evidenced by your response. And yes Sir, I am in the FOI.

Blazelazy-
As Salaam Alaikum Sir.
will go into the Quran to answer you.
Surah II 8-19 reads like this-
"Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah (GOD) and the Last day;" BUT they do not (really) believe. Fain would they deceive Allah (GOD) and those who believe, But they only deceive THEMSELVES, and realize (it) not! In their hearts is a disease; And Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they incur, Because they are false (to themselves.)

Then in SURAH II v.14 it says-
When they meet those who believe, they say "We Believe;" BUT when they are alone with their evil ones (devils) They say: "We are really with you, we were only jesting." Allah will throw back Their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trepasses; so they will wander like blind ones (to and Fro)

that was the Quran, now this is me:

The answer to your first question is No. They are NOT supossed to partake in those activities. That is not to say that it is not happening. You never know ones personal agenda, and how they may try to shield it under a paticular faith. I think ALL religion has some things to say against those things you listed, but then when you look around you see the same people you were at church with Sunday, burnin trees, hittin any and every female, and tossin Henn backwards. That is across the board. I know this though, there is such a thing as having the teachings (Islam), and using those beautiful teachings to make mischief. Which is wrong. You know I like to go into so-called arabic, more than likely Muslim convienance stores. I ask the cat behind the counter is he a Muslim, 8 times outta 10 they yes. Then I ask, well if that is so, why are you selling Liquor? Why do you got swine being sold here? You couldnt do that in the your country of orgin, cause it would mean DEATH to you, cause they would kill your ass. BUT you come over here to the Black/Mexican community and peddle poison to our people. Then have the nerve to say you are a Muslim. Why?

As far as those cats strappin bombs to themselves and blowing things up, The Quran says it something like this, We fight with those who fight with us! Never be the aggressor, but when aggressed upon fight til' death. (Please note I'm paraphrasing, I'm not looking into the Quran at this time)

Those who are blowing themselves up, and doing that psycho shit, thats not Islam.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Isn't it supposed to be wrong for non-Muslims to own or handle the Koran? So wouldn't it be wrong for people in here to look up a passage that you suggest?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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The Holy Qur’aan should not be touched by anyone except those who are purified. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure)” [al-Tawbah 9:28]

On this basis, the kaafir should not be permitted to touch the Qur’aan, whether he is a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Hindu or anything else.

Or if you go with the interpretation that ablution is need to purify, how could a non-muslim know how to or receive proper ablution?
 
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LordByron - Yes I did ask for opinions. So you are correct. You know history best rewards all research? So I gave you the places to look so you can go and seek the answer you are looking for. If I tell you everything, then you would just be going off what I say with a degree of doubt in your mind. So I think it best to see for yourself. So you say you read in Ezikiel, now cross refererence that with lectures of Elijah Muhammad, Min. Farrakhan, and your favorite UFO sightings website. I never said anything about any aliens, yet you mention it in your response. Why? You also assumed that I was offended by something, Why? By your alien reference you just went ahead and proved the point of Elijah Muhammad. hard to teach, cause they think they know. Its already in your mind some ET, alien, Star Trek way of thinking. So when someone tells you to NOT think along those lines, but to think outside the box, you go on with the Alien thinking anyway as evidenced by your response. And yes Sir, I am in the FOI.
The only question I asked was what passage in the Koran supported Farrakhan's UFO calims... You never provided it... As for assuming you were offended maybe you weren't but you seem to take my responses personally... It happens... And the aliens... When speaking about UFO's, Farrakhan makes a reference to 'Independece Day' which was about extraterrestrials... So if I've ET's on the brain it's because Farrakhan alluded to them... Not because I'm thinking inside some box or have preconceived ideas... But now that I know you're in the FOI this all makes sense...
 
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Rictus- Going on the understanding that one has lost knowledge of self, one must regain that knowledge. So all self-professed Muslims, before they were Muslims, were they not permitted to touch the Quran? One has to find his path in the holy book. Regain that which was lost. Muslim means one who submits his/her entire will to GOD, we do that at birth. Then as we grow and learn new things, we start to make decisions of our own free will. So those who are classified as non-believers, or non-submittance to the will of Allah, at one time they were. Whether you get it from the Quran, the bible, the torah, or whatever Sir.

LordByron- Please give me a reference point in which our beloved Minister said something about training day. And, I have made it no secret that I am in the FOI. Unlike a few others who post on this site that keep it hush hush
 
Jul 10, 2002
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Farrakhan is a racist and he murked Malcom X

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/05/10/60minutes/main194051.shtml
Farrakhan Admission On Malcolm X
Speaks With Mike Wallace And Malcom X’s Daughter

(CBS) Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan admits in a 60 Minutes interview broadcast Sunday and reported on Wednesday's CBS Evening News that his incendiary rhetoric played a role in the 1965 assassination of civil rights leader Malcolm X.

Farrakhan makes the statements to Malcolm X’s daughter, Atallah Shabazz, and 60 Minutes Correspondent Mike Wallace.

"I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading up to February 21 [1965]," Farrakhan tells Shabazz and Wallace. "I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being."

Shabazz later issued a statement thanking Farrakhan for acknowledging his role and said: "I wish him peace." However, she did not forgive him.

Malcolm X was only 39 years old when he was killed. This month, he would have been 75.

The former Malcolm Little was Farrakhan's mentor in the Nation of Islam—for a time, they both believed that the white man was evil and that the black and white races should live separately.

In 1964, Malcolm X revealed publicly that Elijah Mohammed, the leader of the Nation of Islam, was guilty of impregnating several of his teenage secretaries, in direct violation of his own preachings against sex outside of marriage.

Farrakhan was outraged. He called Malcolm X a traitor and wrote, two months before the killing, that "such a man is worthy of death."

Three men with ties to the Nation of Islam were convicted in the slaying in the Audubon Ballroom in Harlem on Feb. 21, 1965.

Shabazz, then 6, witnessed the shooting, as did Malcom X's wife and other children.

Farrakhan has denied ordering the assassination but later admitted to having "helped create the atmosphere" that led to it.

He was still speaking negatively about Malcolm X seven years ago.

However, Farrakhan, who has battled prostate cancer and other health problems, has struck a more conciliatory tone in recent years.

Earlier this year, Farrakhan publicly embraced W. Deen Mohammed, son of Elijah Muhammad, in an attempt to heal wounds that have split U.S. Muslims into factions.

Talks about the meeting between Farrakhan and Shabazz became serious around the time last year that Farrakhan was diagnosed with cancer, from which he is now recuperating.

The Nation of Islam leader's four-hour meeting with Shabazz and Wallace, organized at her request, took place at Farrakhan's home in Arizona.

Farrakhan told them that he "truly loved" Malcolm X and carried his picture after his death. Shabazz's body visibly stiffened, arms crossed over her chest, when Wallace quoted from Farrakhan's writings about Malcolm X before he died.

At one point in the interview, Farrakhan talked about the government, which had been spying on Malcolm X and other black leaders, as also playing a role in the murder.

Farrakhan said that the U.S. government spied on black leaders and were concerned about a "black messiah" who could unite the community. "This is bigger than the Nation of Islam," he said.

Shabazz, however, clearly laid the lion's share of the blame on members of the Nation of Islam.

Struggling to keep control of her emotions, Shabazz said that while she believed the FBI had something to do with her father's death, it was young black men who shot him.

"You can't keep pointing fingers," she said. "My father was not killed from a grassy knoll."

Farrakhan said: "I wish that Malcolm X were alive today, and not dead. Yes, it is true that black men pulled the trigger. We cannot deny any responsibility in this. Where we are responsible, where our hands are a part of this, we beg God's mercy and forgiveness."

"I genuinely hope that perhaps a healing can come to Miss Shabazz and her family," he continued.

Shabazz issued a statement this week.

"He's never admitted this before publicly," she said. "Until now, he's never caressed my father's children. I thank him for acknowledging his culpability and I wish him peace."

Shabazz's mother, Betty Shabazz, who died in 1997, had publicly accused Farrakhan of a role in the murder. She reconciled with him after her daughter Qubilah was charged in 1994 with lotting to hire a hitman to kill him. The charges were later dropped.

Shabazz told Wallace