Any thoughts on Min. Farrakhan and the N.O.I.?

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Apr 25, 2002
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Your use of the word "THEY" is a real eye opener. As I have stated earlier, The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan has spoken on on this before. He said that IF his words that he spoke during those turbulent times, agitated and/or provided an enviornment that contributed to the death of Brother Malcolm, then he apologizes for that. The problem is, alot of people want to put blame on someone or somebody. As a matter of fact you can go to FINALCALL.COM and they have streaming video on the Minister addressing this topic. As he is addressing he has the daughters of Malcolm X and the wife of Malcolm X by his side. They forgave him, and accepted his explanation, why havent you California Bear?

Futhermore to go along with your line of thinking, what about the Ku Klux Klan? The Neo-Nazis? Jim Jones? David Koresh? Timothy McVeigh? The cat that smoked MLK? America in general? ALL of these have killed, maimed, and attempted to destroy groups of people. All of these were under the banner of Christian Beliefs. So why not go on a "witch-hunt" on Christians? Do we allow what a few did to overshadow the whole? Even though when it comes to oppressing the Original people, it wasnt just a few, it was damn near ALL.

Malcolm did alot and could have done ALOT more and for him to be taken away so early even tho i am only 22 goin on 23 and wasnt there it still makes makes me angry.so many intelligent and important people during the 60s and 70s that were invovled in some type of movement wether it be socalist or civil rights were murderd , it pisses me off about what the world we could be living in today instead of the one we do.


god hate those christians , god hates america
 
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California Bear- You are so right. Malcolm, as well as others that lost thier lives during that time, if they were alive today, they may be making some things happen. Let us not forget who is the teacher of Malcolm though. The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. many of the students have went on to do great things, mirroring the teachings that a georgia born Black man who didnt go past the 3rd grave gave them. He learned also from HIS teacher. See "What the Muslims Believe" point #12.

LordByron- I gave you where to look. There was even someone on here that went more in depth with it. I tell you this, why dont you show me your proof that there is no mothership/spaceship/Wheel since you seem so hell bent on proving there is not one.
 
Jun 15, 2005
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proof that something doesn't exist?

How does that work?

Sorry to sidebust, but the whole spaceship thing has got me vexed. Surefire way to discredit someone who has a following - say they believe in spaceships and aliens!

First you ask what are the sources that claim he spoke of a mothership. As if to imply that the sources either misinterpreted what he said or just plain took them it of context.

Then you say that the spaceship is referenced in the Quran and Bible. As if to imply that its if he did speak on it, no far stretch because its in the holy books.

So which is it? Did he speak on it or not? Because if he did, I'm done and out of here. Thats looney, to say the least.

And, the word wheel does not equate to spaceship/mothership, imho.
 
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He spoke on a Wheel. Elijah spoke on a Wheel. Ezikiel spoke on a wheel. I said to Lord Byron, if it is such a falsehood, then PROVE that it is all made up bullshit that comes with a "slave-making" religion.

Why is it looney? Things that people dont understand, they tend to "write-off" as being something stupid. A few posts back there was a post made about these UFOs that are seen by many. Since it is Farrakhan though, its "looney". Who has to say it, so that it is believable to you?
 
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I don't believe in UFO's, first off. But, more importantly, there's a difference between Johnny Generic and Joey Public believing in spaceships, and the leader of a religious sect believing that a spaceship/mothership is gonna come and pick folks up.

So don't make it seem like I'm not believing it just because Farrakhan said it. Marshall Applewhite of the Heavens Gate believed him and his cult was gonna get picked up by a comet and taken to heaven. I know, a very extreme comparison, but still sticks with the whole celestial rescue concept. I thought it was "looney" for him, and I'll think the same for anyone else that says it.
 
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Min. Farrakhan did not say that a spaceship/mothership was going to come rescue him. So that right there puts that to rest, if you were on that line of thinking. I do understand what you are saying though. The Heavens Gate was a real extreme, but I did see the point you were making.
 
Sep 28, 2002
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^^^ You must have missed when I said "free will" and when I explained what "Muslim" meant.
You know your right I must have, could you go over that again? I don't see how you stating something as an opinion proves anything anyway but it seems like you would like to explain why Black nationalist islam is not a slave religion so please do.

Also what does LORD Byron have to do with anything, that kind of threw me?
 
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You know your right I must have, could you go over that again? I don't see how you stating something as an opinion proves anything anyway but it seems like you would like to explain why Black nationalist islam is not a slave religion so please do.

Also what does LORD Byron have to do with anything, that kind of threw me?
Sure! Real simple. The word MUSLIM means one who submits there will to do the will of ALLAH (GOD)

ONE who submits, (Submit-yielding to the power, control, or authority of another;obediant, humble.

Okay, so not submitting to a man, but to the WILL of ALLAH (GOD)

Say there Reese, Please explain why it is not a slave religion.

FREE WILL. There is no compulsion in religion. Meaning no one is FORCING anything on you. You force slaves to do your will by whatever you deem will get them to submit. FREE WILL means you got a choice on what YOU want to do. Hence the word "FREE" Whenever you have a slave situation, those slaves are forced against there will. On the plantation in 1827 a slave couldnt say, "Hey, I choose not to work this field, cause its my decision" No, he was FORCED into submission. You go find some people in the MIGHTY Nation of Islam that are being held captive against their will, who are FORCED to attend Mosque meetings, who are forced against thier will. Show me why it is a "slave religion" as you say. Because same way they came in, they can take they asses out.

As Salaam Alaikum Sir
 
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Farrakhan is perhaps one of the greatest orators I've ever seen. Farrakhan has a way with words and emotions that can ring a bell in ones heart. However thats where it stops with Farrakhan, he's a great preacher but lacks the Economic initiative Elijah Muhammad and thats the big difference between the old nation and the new nation. Elijah's nation was building businesses all across big cities, you don't see the same type of economic empowerment from Farrakhans leadership.
 
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lol @ the jews politics route. What the fuck do Jew politics have to do with anything? I guess Farrakhan, in an attempt to relate to his Arab Muslim brothers, decided to carry on the Passion of the Jew.

The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man.
Louis Farrakhan


"These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It's the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality, [and] Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government [on the war in Iraq]" [29]

Dude is really on the whole Jew tip.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Farrakhan trying to relate with his Arab muslim friends, it has everything to do with the relationship the Black community has had with jews for decades.
 
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Having the whole “real Islam” debate is stupid and pointless.

Is Shia Islam or Sunni Islam the “real Islam”? What about Sufism?

Are Baptists, Anglicans, Moravians, Lutherans, Catholics “real Christians”?

Is one more “real” than the other?

Are the NOI and Church of Christ not “real” because they are uniquely American?

If the Protestant Reformation allows for religions like Lutherans or Anglicans to still be “real Christians” then the NOI should be considered “real Islam” and sects like the 5 percenters and Community of Christ should be “real” Islam and Christian as well.

But if you want to exclude NOI from being Islam you should be ready to exclude other denominations from Christianity as well.


(Just using Christianity as an example because I am more familiar with it and other Abrahamic religions, but I would assume this applies to all religions as well)
yes, Judaism is just the same(that is the only other Abrahamic religion) But there are a gajillion versions of Judaism as well. There are conservatives that can possibly live here but want Palestinians out of Israel, or there are liberals that wish there was peace and aren't as psycho about terroritory. Lol, thats a very brief description to say the least.

There are also conflicting sects of Judaism that argue where a person's soul goes when one dies, LOL.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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However thats where it stops with Farrakhan, he's a great preacher but lacks the Economic initiative Elijah Muhammad and thats the big difference between the old nation and the new nation. Elijah's nation was building businesses all across big cities, you don't see the same type of economic empowerment from Farrakhans leadership.
With all due respect Sir, FIRST off, there is NO Farrakhans' Nation and Elijahs' Nation. It is one in the same.

Why was the Nation so successful pre 1975?

Because the people went out there and put in the work that needed to be done. Every FOI, MGT, VANGUARD has a mission they must take upon themselves upon receiving thier "X". That "mission" should be the mission for all original people on the planet. BUT, most people are of the 85%.

Now, during those times it was in the 50's, 60's, and very early 70's. Look at the climate in America at those times. Civil Rights movement, a War, etc.....

Sure you say, well thats happening now, Yes, to a certain extent, but not on the level it was back then. When all people were somewhat conscience about what was going on. Why are not the businesses going on like they were? Lack of Support. Lack of unity. The same program that was when ELijah Muhammad was among us, is the same one that is now. Just recently Min. Farrakhan has taken the Nation out of all and any debts. Right now, he is repairing and purchasing the main mosques from the West to the East coasts.

If you listen to Elijah though, he said that these times would come. The Nation fell once, NEVER to fall again. Min. Farrakhan did 1985's Saviour Day on exactly what you are speaking on.

If you look into the latest Final Call or check on NOI.ORG you will see there are businesses, farms, Schools, etc...
 
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LordByron- I gave you where to look. There was even someone on here that went more in depth with it. I tell you this, why dont you show me your proof that there is no mothership/spaceship/Wheel since you seem so hell bent on proving there is not one.
I read the passage in Ezekiel... And honestly I have no idea what that wheel is... But I do know that passage reads like a dude on shrooms (four beings with animal parts)... Now, with recent reports that Moses might have been high and speculation that ergot played a role in the Salem witch trials... I'm not buying my tickets for the mothership just yet... With that said... The idea of 'Independence Day' happening for real make the normally astute Farrakhan seem plain ol' nuts...
 
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Thats says it all....

Then you went into YOUR personal opinion on Shrooms and all.

Watch the news...
... So because I don't know what the 'wheel' is means it's an alien space ship from some far away galaxy...? Wrong... The burden of proof is not on me... You and Farrakhan brought up Ezekiel to support claims of UFO's... I read it and I'm still not convinced... And since the shrooms thing went over your head I'll re-word my argument... The passage reads like a HALLUCINATION... Something that shroom users and schizophrenics are quite accustom to...
 
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... So because I don't know what the 'wheel' is means it's an alien space ship from some far away galaxy...? Wrong... The burden of proof is not on me... You and Farrakhan brought up Ezekiel to support claims of UFO's... I read it and I'm still not convinced... And since the shrooms thing went over your head I'll re-word my argument... The passage reads like a HALLUCINATION... Something that shroom users and schizophrenics are quite accustom to...
Please Sir, Calm down. I did not say that.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad said one time, "The hardest person to teach is the one who THINKS they know".

Why did he say that? Because when you are trying to teach someone who ALREADY thinks they know something, they wont listen because they already have thier mind set on what they think the answer, or the information is. Looking at your "shrooms" and "hallucination" comments, you seem to already have your mind made up Sir. Then you also say something to the affect that you dont understand (correct me if I'm wrong) I think BLAZELAZY said it best......

(LOL @ Shrooms comment went over my head. Dont get frustrated Sir, its just conversation. I understand that you DONT understand)
 
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"The hardest person to teach is the one who THINKS they know".
So, people are taught that they don't know anything? Are they taught to completely ignore their experiences in life? Are they taught that the only true way to learn is through Allah? Sounds like complete manipulation to me, much like other huge religions.
 
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No Sir. You have read WAY to much into what was said.

Let me put it this way Sir. If you have a paticular field of expertise, and you are trying to teach someone what you know. Someone that thinks they may know, they will go off of what they think they know as being correct, as opposed to just listening and soaking what is being taught.

Take a Mechanic that has been fixing cars for 30 years, telling some 19 yr. old cat that took about a months worth of classes in auto repair. The 19yr. old may have his own views on how he thinks the engine can be repaired, where as the 30 yr vet knows exactly what needs to be done.

Yoda taught Luke, not the other way around Sir.

8Why you bring Allah in this, I made no mention of him. Sounds like you got issue with Islam, and religion in general