6 Officers Subduing 400-Pound Man Who Attacked Them
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Very good point. These are the issues that are being avoided. If the guy was anything other than black, or if the cops weren't white, it would be a completely different story. These race barriers are set in place only when a contreversal incident happens such as this one, where one side is black and the other is white.
Is this board full of Narcs
You sound like a bunch of old ladies defending these pigs. if you want to ride their vienna sausages why dont you try the FOP wesite Im sure you will find a whole lot of likeminded individuals. This on the other hand is a gansta rap website. In the words of the eternal Easy E "Fuck the POLICE!"
Oh yeah I live in OHIO and the CINNCI Cops are the most racist bunch of fucks north of the mason dixon line.
You sound like a bunch of old ladies defending these pigs. if you want to ride their vienna sausages why dont you try the FOP wesite Im sure you will find a whole lot of likeminded individuals. This on the other hand is a gansta rap website. In the words of the eternal Easy E "Fuck the POLICE!"
Oh yeah I live in OHIO and the CINNCI Cops are the most racist bunch of fucks north of the mason dixon line.
Actually this is the gathering of minds forum, not the gathering of gangstas. Yeah, fuck the police until someone with a gun is chasin' after you while your runnin' for the nearest phone to dial 911. Are you going to call the fucking ghost busters when some basehead kicks in your window with a 45 ready to shoot the place up? Yeah, fuck the police.
MCLEANHATCH TYPED THE FOLLOWING:
"1. the tape was from the rvidoe ecorder in the Cops car."
DID YOU READ THE QUESTION? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T. I DID NOT ASK "WHERE" THE TAPE WAS FROM. I ASKED AND I QUOTE: "1. How did the tape land in the hands of the media? "
TELLING ME THAT "the tape was from the rvidoe ecorder in the Cops car" is IRRELEVENT!
WHO GAVE THE TAPE TO THE MEDIA? WAS IT SOMEONE WHO REVIEWED THE TAPE (A LAW OFFICIAL) AND DECIDED TO SEND IT OUT? WAS THE TAPE "LEAKED" BY AN OFFICIAL? WHO GAVE IT TO THE MEDIA.
"2. Yes it has on CNN and a few other TV stations where they only show you the tape when the cops are clubbing him but they leave out the part where he is rushing the cop when the cop is telling him to back up, and where he swung on the cop and where he tries to take the club out of the cops hand."
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ASSOCIATED PRESS MEDIA. IF THATS WHAT YOU THOUGHT I WAS IMPLYING LET ME CLARIFY. HAS THE ***FULL*** UNEDITED VERSION REACHED THE HANDS OF THE MEDIA? WAS THE TAPE EDITED BY LAW OFFICIALS *BEFORE* IT WAS GIVEN TO THE MEDIA?
"3. i dont think the camera was ever turned off."
IF THE CAMERA WAS NEVER TURNED OFF SHOW US THE FOOTAGE OF THIS GUY BEING DETAINED AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE STATION. I'M SURE THE CAMERA WOULD NOT SHOW HIM ( IN THE BACK OF THE CAR) BUT THE *AUDIO* WOULD STILL BE PRESENT. WHAT HAPPENED *AFTER* HE WAS DETAINED AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE STATION? DID HE SUFFER ANY ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE OFFICERS?
"4. he had PCP, Methanol, and Cocaine. at least that is what the coroner says"
I DIDN'T ASK *WHAT* HE HAD IN HIS SYSTEM AT THE TIME OF DEATH. WHAT I ASKED WAS THE FOLLOWING (AND I QUOTE) :
"4. Can you believe the reports about drugs being found in the victims system? Have the findings been altered in ANY way to protect those involved? "
YOU LISTING DRUGS AND MENTIONING THE CORONER DOES NOTHING FOR ME.
WHEN I MADE THE ORIGINAL POST I WASN'T LOOKING FOR *ANYONE* TO ANSWER IT ON THE BOARD. THATS WHY I SAID TO PONDER IT. YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO ANSWER IN HOPES OF BRIEFLY APPEARING TO BE INTELLIGENT. NO COOKIE OR PRIZE FOR YOU EINSTEIN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE ME AND ANSWER QUESTIONS MAKE SURE YOU STICK TO THE SUBJECT MATTER/QUESTIONS.
I will not address the last portion of your post. Just like you didn't address the boy who was fucked up by the cop when he was detained.
RIP DANIEL POLK. A HOMICIDE VICTEM AT THE HANDS OF THE VALLEJO POLICE DEPARTMENT. BEATEN AT THE HANDS OF THE VPD...THE SAME VPD WHO LATER PAID HIS WIFE OVER 100K IN HUSH MONEY.
INSANITY
:HGK:
"1. the tape was from the rvidoe ecorder in the Cops car."
DID YOU READ THE QUESTION? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T. I DID NOT ASK "WHERE" THE TAPE WAS FROM. I ASKED AND I QUOTE: "1. How did the tape land in the hands of the media? "
TELLING ME THAT "the tape was from the rvidoe ecorder in the Cops car" is IRRELEVENT!
WHO GAVE THE TAPE TO THE MEDIA? WAS IT SOMEONE WHO REVIEWED THE TAPE (A LAW OFFICIAL) AND DECIDED TO SEND IT OUT? WAS THE TAPE "LEAKED" BY AN OFFICIAL? WHO GAVE IT TO THE MEDIA.
"2. Yes it has on CNN and a few other TV stations where they only show you the tape when the cops are clubbing him but they leave out the part where he is rushing the cop when the cop is telling him to back up, and where he swung on the cop and where he tries to take the club out of the cops hand."
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ASSOCIATED PRESS MEDIA. IF THATS WHAT YOU THOUGHT I WAS IMPLYING LET ME CLARIFY. HAS THE ***FULL*** UNEDITED VERSION REACHED THE HANDS OF THE MEDIA? WAS THE TAPE EDITED BY LAW OFFICIALS *BEFORE* IT WAS GIVEN TO THE MEDIA?
"3. i dont think the camera was ever turned off."
IF THE CAMERA WAS NEVER TURNED OFF SHOW US THE FOOTAGE OF THIS GUY BEING DETAINED AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE STATION. I'M SURE THE CAMERA WOULD NOT SHOW HIM ( IN THE BACK OF THE CAR) BUT THE *AUDIO* WOULD STILL BE PRESENT. WHAT HAPPENED *AFTER* HE WAS DETAINED AND TAKEN TO THE POLICE STATION? DID HE SUFFER ANY ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE OFFICERS?
"4. he had PCP, Methanol, and Cocaine. at least that is what the coroner says"
I DIDN'T ASK *WHAT* HE HAD IN HIS SYSTEM AT THE TIME OF DEATH. WHAT I ASKED WAS THE FOLLOWING (AND I QUOTE) :
"4. Can you believe the reports about drugs being found in the victims system? Have the findings been altered in ANY way to protect those involved? "
YOU LISTING DRUGS AND MENTIONING THE CORONER DOES NOTHING FOR ME.
WHEN I MADE THE ORIGINAL POST I WASN'T LOOKING FOR *ANYONE* TO ANSWER IT ON THE BOARD. THATS WHY I SAID TO PONDER IT. YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO ANSWER IN HOPES OF BRIEFLY APPEARING TO BE INTELLIGENT. NO COOKIE OR PRIZE FOR YOU EINSTEIN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO QUOTE ME AND ANSWER QUESTIONS MAKE SURE YOU STICK TO THE SUBJECT MATTER/QUESTIONS.
I will not address the last portion of your post. Just like you didn't address the boy who was fucked up by the cop when he was detained.
RIP DANIEL POLK. A HOMICIDE VICTEM AT THE HANDS OF THE VALLEJO POLICE DEPARTMENT. BEATEN AT THE HANDS OF THE VPD...THE SAME VPD WHO LATER PAID HIS WIFE OVER 100K IN HUSH MONEY.
INSANITY
:HGK:
sixx thats bull shit. 22 shotting, only the black shootings listed by white cops and 1 name out of the whole 22. which was hella publisised timothy tomas.
good for you, you watched the news.
dont speak on shit you racist.
and oh for the cat that said shit about eminem.
who here is on eminem's nuts????????? and what about paris and cats like that who hate white people. i dont here you critising them.
yall whine and cry and bitch and moan, make excuses all day long and look at a very close minded one side of the issues.
you here jessie jackson, al sharpton speak and other bitches speak, and you jump to life. you here black - white and to you that ==== the black guy did nothing and was a victum.
oh and look at ya other post's to se how you come off.
good for you, you watched the news.
dont speak on shit you racist.
and oh for the cat that said shit about eminem.
who here is on eminem's nuts????????? and what about paris and cats like that who hate white people. i dont here you critising them.
yall whine and cry and bitch and moan, make excuses all day long and look at a very close minded one side of the issues.
you here jessie jackson, al sharpton speak and other bitches speak, and you jump to life. you here black - white and to you that ==== the black guy did nothing and was a victum.
oh and look at ya other post's to se how you come off.
SINCE THE TAPE SHOWED BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE COPS ACTED PROPERLY I WOULD SAY THE COPS TURNED IT OVER TO THE MEDIA.
BUT THEN AGAIN I WASNT THERE AND NEITHER WERE YOU TO SEE WHICH EXACT PERSON HANDED IT TO WHICH EXACT REPORTER OR NEWS STATION.
THE MOMENT HE WAS DETAINED AND STILL ON THE GROUND THE OFFICERS NOTICED THAT HE WAS ACTING WEIRD AND THEN STOPPED RESPONDING SO THEY CALLED THE FIRE DEPT AND THE AMBULANCE, SO THE GUY WAS NEVER IN THE BACK OF THE COP CAR AND NEVER IN THE POLICE DEPT. INSTEAD HE WAS TAKEN BY AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL.
MAYBE THE CORONER IS A LYER! I MEAN HE WAS A "WHITE" GUY RIGHT??
I AM STICKING THE THE SUBJECT MATTER, I CANT HELP IT IF YOU JUST DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS
BUT THEN AGAIN I WASNT THERE AND NEITHER WERE YOU TO SEE WHICH EXACT PERSON HANDED IT TO WHICH EXACT REPORTER OR NEWS STATION.
THE MOMENT HE WAS DETAINED AND STILL ON THE GROUND THE OFFICERS NOTICED THAT HE WAS ACTING WEIRD AND THEN STOPPED RESPONDING SO THEY CALLED THE FIRE DEPT AND THE AMBULANCE, SO THE GUY WAS NEVER IN THE BACK OF THE COP CAR AND NEVER IN THE POLICE DEPT. INSTEAD HE WAS TAKEN BY AMBULANCE TO THE HOSPITAL.
MAYBE THE CORONER IS A LYER! I MEAN HE WAS A "WHITE" GUY RIGHT??
I AM STICKING THE THE SUBJECT MATTER, I CANT HELP IT IF YOU JUST DONT LIKE THE ANSWERS
WHO WERE THESE 22 PEOPEL???? Obviously the ONLY one you are aware of is TIMOTHY THOMAS. HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANY OTHER CASES? I BET YOU WERE UNAWARE THAT 22 BLACK MEN WERE SHoT BY THE PIGS IN CINCINNATI BEFORE I PROVIDED THAT NUMBER, RIGHT?
Have you done any research on the police violence in cincinnati besides what you have seen on fox news?
Were you aware that during the FUNERAL of Timothy Thomas, police ATTACKED the mourners and were shooting bean bag projectiles filled with metal pellets, many people were injured including two children??? Were you aware of this?
There is a HUGE problem in Cincinnati, and accroos america. If you cannot see this, you are too fucking ignorant to or you just don't want to admit it.
I ASK YOU AGAIN; HAVE YOU RESEARCHED ANYTHING?
What about Lorenzo Collins? A mentally challenged man who threatened police with a brick and was shot twice. Later, the family of the man was given $200, 000.
What about Andre Sherrer?? A young man in his 30s, who the pigs claim had broken into a store. The pigs chased him into an alley and shot him.
You dont think racism is wide spread in Cincinnati? FYI, this city is one of the few cities in the US where Ku Klux Klan members, protected by the police, publicly erect a cross in the city’s main park each year.
Your calling ME a racist?!?!?!?! And who the fuck am I racist against?
Have you ever seen me use a degratory term about any race? Have I ever implied just a tiny hint that I was racist? Please, humor me with specifics.
Have you done any research on the police violence in cincinnati besides what you have seen on fox news?
Were you aware that during the FUNERAL of Timothy Thomas, police ATTACKED the mourners and were shooting bean bag projectiles filled with metal pellets, many people were injured including two children??? Were you aware of this?
There is a HUGE problem in Cincinnati, and accroos america. If you cannot see this, you are too fucking ignorant to or you just don't want to admit it.
I ASK YOU AGAIN; HAVE YOU RESEARCHED ANYTHING?
What about Lorenzo Collins? A mentally challenged man who threatened police with a brick and was shot twice. Later, the family of the man was given $200, 000.
What about Andre Sherrer?? A young man in his 30s, who the pigs claim had broken into a store. The pigs chased him into an alley and shot him.
You dont think racism is wide spread in Cincinnati? FYI, this city is one of the few cities in the US where Ku Klux Klan members, protected by the police, publicly erect a cross in the city’s main park each year.
Your calling ME a racist?!?!?!?! And who the fuck am I racist against?
Have you ever seen me use a degratory term about any race? Have I ever implied just a tiny hint that I was racist? Please, humor me with specifics.
how many whites were shot in cinci?
thats an answer you cant give. because some how people think only people with black skin color end up with bullets in them
which the reality is as i stated before, the so called black leaders use it as a wedge between blacks and whites and use it to call all whites racist say that all cops want blacks dead and think that only blacks are victums of the cops.
i aint defending all cops. these cops i am. i would have killed him with a gun. i wouldnt of even touched the club or the mace.
if a 400 pound dude on pcp swung at you what would you do?
that the question some dont seem to be answering. some dont see the fact he was racist he was on drugs he swung first he tried to grab the club.
dude should have unloaded everything he had on him.
the guy was a waste of the air we breth. he is the kind of person that is fucking up shit for black people and making the sterio types possible for the simple mided white people.
he is the kind of person you dont cry over.
i dont understand, because he is black he is a good person???????????
if he was white we wouldnt even be having this convo and thats a fact.
thats an answer you cant give. because some how people think only people with black skin color end up with bullets in them
which the reality is as i stated before, the so called black leaders use it as a wedge between blacks and whites and use it to call all whites racist say that all cops want blacks dead and think that only blacks are victums of the cops.
i aint defending all cops. these cops i am. i would have killed him with a gun. i wouldnt of even touched the club or the mace.
if a 400 pound dude on pcp swung at you what would you do?
that the question some dont seem to be answering. some dont see the fact he was racist he was on drugs he swung first he tried to grab the club.
dude should have unloaded everything he had on him.
the guy was a waste of the air we breth. he is the kind of person that is fucking up shit for black people and making the sterio types possible for the simple mided white people.
he is the kind of person you dont cry over.
i dont understand, because he is black he is a good person???????????
if he was white we wouldnt even be having this convo and thats a fact.
@20sixx
since 1995 and up until april 2002 this is the breakdown of all deaths of black men in cincinnati at the hands of police.
7 = gun threat-(pointed or shot a gun at police, or refused to give up a gun, or struggled over a gun)
2 = dragged police with car-(the officer died), or attempted to run down police with a car
1 = Threatened police with a board with nails in it after throwing a brick at them (victim had used a gun during a bank robbery moments earlier)
1 = threatened police with a knife (after murdering a girl with an axe)
1 = threatened police with a brick
3 died while fleeing or while in custody after a struggle with police.
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Victim 1: Harvey Price
Died Feb. 1, 1995 at age 34
On Feb. 1, 1995 Harvey Price killed a 15 year old girl -- his girlfriend’s daughter -- with an axe; he kept police at bay for hours; he refused to surrender; and he was ultimately shot and killed by a SWAT team member when Price began advancing on the officers with a raised knife.
The officer was cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 2: Darryll C. Price
Died April 4, 1996
Mr. Price was high on cocaine and died of respiratory arrest or an irregular heartbeat after scuffling with police. The police encounter with Mr. Price began when Price was beating on a car in traffic, threatening to shoot someone. When police attempted to intervene, a scuffle ensued in which Mr. Price received some minor cuts and abrasions.
Price was handcuffed and shackled, yet continued struggling as rescue workers attempted to administer first aid for his cuts. When he suddenly stopped moving, the rescue team began administering CPR but he died within the hour.
The medical examiner’s report indicated that Mr. Price suffered from a sudden death caused by "agitated delirium with restraint". The condition is usually manifested in drug abusers or the mentally ill. The autopsy revealed that the cuts and bruises Price suffered during his fight with the police did not contribute to his death.
The police officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 3: Lorenzo Collins
Shot Feb. 23, 1997
Died 5 days later at age 25
Lorenzo Collins had a history of mental illness. He was threatening police with a brick, and two officers fired their weapons, hitting Collins twice. He died 5 days later.
The police officers were cleared of any wrongdoing by both the FBI and Department of Justice.
Subsequently, the Collins family filed a wrongful death lawsuit and was awarded $200,000.
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Victim 4: Daniel Williams
Died Feb. 2, 1998 at age 23
Previous convictions: domestic violence, felonious assault.
In an unprovoked attack, Mr. Williams shot Police Officer Kathleen Conway four times in the legs and abdomen with a .357 Magnum before she was able to return the fire. She fired twice, killing him. The bizarre incident began when Williams waved down Officer Conway’s cruiser. When she stopped he punched her in the face through the open window, then shot her four times.
No one has offered any explanation of Mr. Williams actions. It was ruled a justifiable shooting.
Officer Conway required extended medical leave to recover from her severe injuries and has since left the police force.
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Victim 5: Jermaine Lowe
Died June 3, 1998
Criminal history: Convicted felon; parole violator; outstanding warrant for armed robbery.
Mr. Lowe was driving a stolen car and, in attempting to evade pursuing police, crashed. At that point Lowe jumped from the car and fired repeatedly at police officers until his gun ran out of bullets. The officers fired back, killing Lowe.
The shootout occurred in the same block where two other police officers had been previously gunned down.
The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 6: Randy Black
Died July 17, 1998 at age 23
Mr. Black robbed his credit union on the morning of July 17. He used a handgun in the commission of the robbery.
When police arrived on the scene, Randy Black ran. During the chase he threw a brick at police. But when cornered by the pursuing officer who attempted to place Mr. Black under arrest, Mr. Black grabbed a two-by-four with nails sticking out of the end and came at the officer with it. The officer shot him dead.
Mr. Black had ditched the handgun he used during the robbery while running from the police.
The officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 7: Michael Carpenter
Died March 19, 1999 at age 30
Michael Carpenter attracted the attention of police because he was driving a car with expired license plates.
When the police pulled Mr. Carpenter over, he refused to get out of the car. When Carpenter reached for the glove box the officer tried to drag him out of the car. Carpenter then allegedly drove 15 feet, dragging the officer with him.
Another officer standing behind the car then saw the backup lights come on, and he fired 9 times, killing Michael Carpenter.
One officer was exonerated of any wrongdoing by the U.S. Department of Justice, by the county prosecutor, and by the police department’s internal investigation.
The other officer received a written reprimand and was ordered to take 40 hours of retraining. He has since left the force.
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Victim 8: James King
Died Aug. 20, 1999 at age 44
Mr. James King used a gun in robbing the Fifth Third Bank. He fired a warning shot in the bank to show he meant business, and employees handed over a bag of cash to him. Mr. King fled the scene in a car with police in close pursuit.
When Mr. King reached a dead end, he jumped out of the car with the gun in his hand. Police ordered him to drop his weapon, which he refused to do. They shot and killed him.
The officers involved were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 9: Carey Tompkins
Died Oct. 16, 1999 at age 28
Police responded to a 911 call from Carey Tompkins’ girlfriend’s apartment. On the 911 tape Mr. Tompkins can be heard shouting obscenities, and the voice of his girlfriend’s father can be clearly heard asking Tompkins why he brought a gun and why he pointed the gun at the woman.
When police arrived, an officer entered the apartment and was confronted by Mr. Tompkins, who had the gun in his waistband. The officer struggled with Mr. Tompkins for the gun. Carey Tompkins was shot dead during the struggle.
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Victim 10: Alfred Pope
Died March 14, 2000 at age 23
Criminal Background: 18 felony charges (including weapons and assault charges), resulting in 5 convictions.
On the day of his death, Mr. Pope and an accomplice beat and robbed three victims in an apartment building. Witnesses reported hearing shots fired.
Police responded and chased Mr. Pope who drew a gun and pointed it at police. The officers fired multiple times, killing Mr. Pope.
The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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since 1995 and up until april 2002 this is the breakdown of all deaths of black men in cincinnati at the hands of police.
7 = gun threat-(pointed or shot a gun at police, or refused to give up a gun, or struggled over a gun)
2 = dragged police with car-(the officer died), or attempted to run down police with a car
1 = Threatened police with a board with nails in it after throwing a brick at them (victim had used a gun during a bank robbery moments earlier)
1 = threatened police with a knife (after murdering a girl with an axe)
1 = threatened police with a brick
3 died while fleeing or while in custody after a struggle with police.
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Victim 1: Harvey Price
Died Feb. 1, 1995 at age 34
On Feb. 1, 1995 Harvey Price killed a 15 year old girl -- his girlfriend’s daughter -- with an axe; he kept police at bay for hours; he refused to surrender; and he was ultimately shot and killed by a SWAT team member when Price began advancing on the officers with a raised knife.
The officer was cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 2: Darryll C. Price
Died April 4, 1996
Mr. Price was high on cocaine and died of respiratory arrest or an irregular heartbeat after scuffling with police. The police encounter with Mr. Price began when Price was beating on a car in traffic, threatening to shoot someone. When police attempted to intervene, a scuffle ensued in which Mr. Price received some minor cuts and abrasions.
Price was handcuffed and shackled, yet continued struggling as rescue workers attempted to administer first aid for his cuts. When he suddenly stopped moving, the rescue team began administering CPR but he died within the hour.
The medical examiner’s report indicated that Mr. Price suffered from a sudden death caused by "agitated delirium with restraint". The condition is usually manifested in drug abusers or the mentally ill. The autopsy revealed that the cuts and bruises Price suffered during his fight with the police did not contribute to his death.
The police officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 3: Lorenzo Collins
Shot Feb. 23, 1997
Died 5 days later at age 25
Lorenzo Collins had a history of mental illness. He was threatening police with a brick, and two officers fired their weapons, hitting Collins twice. He died 5 days later.
The police officers were cleared of any wrongdoing by both the FBI and Department of Justice.
Subsequently, the Collins family filed a wrongful death lawsuit and was awarded $200,000.
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Victim 4: Daniel Williams
Died Feb. 2, 1998 at age 23
Previous convictions: domestic violence, felonious assault.
In an unprovoked attack, Mr. Williams shot Police Officer Kathleen Conway four times in the legs and abdomen with a .357 Magnum before she was able to return the fire. She fired twice, killing him. The bizarre incident began when Williams waved down Officer Conway’s cruiser. When she stopped he punched her in the face through the open window, then shot her four times.
No one has offered any explanation of Mr. Williams actions. It was ruled a justifiable shooting.
Officer Conway required extended medical leave to recover from her severe injuries and has since left the police force.
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Victim 5: Jermaine Lowe
Died June 3, 1998
Criminal history: Convicted felon; parole violator; outstanding warrant for armed robbery.
Mr. Lowe was driving a stolen car and, in attempting to evade pursuing police, crashed. At that point Lowe jumped from the car and fired repeatedly at police officers until his gun ran out of bullets. The officers fired back, killing Lowe.
The shootout occurred in the same block where two other police officers had been previously gunned down.
The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 6: Randy Black
Died July 17, 1998 at age 23
Mr. Black robbed his credit union on the morning of July 17. He used a handgun in the commission of the robbery.
When police arrived on the scene, Randy Black ran. During the chase he threw a brick at police. But when cornered by the pursuing officer who attempted to place Mr. Black under arrest, Mr. Black grabbed a two-by-four with nails sticking out of the end and came at the officer with it. The officer shot him dead.
Mr. Black had ditched the handgun he used during the robbery while running from the police.
The officer was absolved of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 7: Michael Carpenter
Died March 19, 1999 at age 30
Michael Carpenter attracted the attention of police because he was driving a car with expired license plates.
When the police pulled Mr. Carpenter over, he refused to get out of the car. When Carpenter reached for the glove box the officer tried to drag him out of the car. Carpenter then allegedly drove 15 feet, dragging the officer with him.
Another officer standing behind the car then saw the backup lights come on, and he fired 9 times, killing Michael Carpenter.
One officer was exonerated of any wrongdoing by the U.S. Department of Justice, by the county prosecutor, and by the police department’s internal investigation.
The other officer received a written reprimand and was ordered to take 40 hours of retraining. He has since left the force.
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Victim 8: James King
Died Aug. 20, 1999 at age 44
Mr. James King used a gun in robbing the Fifth Third Bank. He fired a warning shot in the bank to show he meant business, and employees handed over a bag of cash to him. Mr. King fled the scene in a car with police in close pursuit.
When Mr. King reached a dead end, he jumped out of the car with the gun in his hand. Police ordered him to drop his weapon, which he refused to do. They shot and killed him.
The officers involved were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 9: Carey Tompkins
Died Oct. 16, 1999 at age 28
Police responded to a 911 call from Carey Tompkins’ girlfriend’s apartment. On the 911 tape Mr. Tompkins can be heard shouting obscenities, and the voice of his girlfriend’s father can be clearly heard asking Tompkins why he brought a gun and why he pointed the gun at the woman.
When police arrived, an officer entered the apartment and was confronted by Mr. Tompkins, who had the gun in his waistband. The officer struggled with Mr. Tompkins for the gun. Carey Tompkins was shot dead during the struggle.
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Victim 10: Alfred Pope
Died March 14, 2000 at age 23
Criminal Background: 18 felony charges (including weapons and assault charges), resulting in 5 convictions.
On the day of his death, Mr. Pope and an accomplice beat and robbed three victims in an apartment building. Witnesses reported hearing shots fired.
Police responded and chased Mr. Pope who drew a gun and pointed it at police. The officers fired multiple times, killing Mr. Pope.
The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 11: Courtney Mathis
Died Sept. 1, 2000 at age 12
Know one really knows what motivated this 12 year old child to steal a relative’s car, to resist arrest, to drag an officer to his death, and ultimately to be killed by the officer who died.
On this fateful evening 12 year old Courtney left his parent’s home and stole a relative’s car. A police officer saw the boy in the car at a convenience store and asked to see his driver’s license.
Courtney tried to flee by putting the car into reverse. The officer reached into the car and either tried to turn off the ignition or shift the car into neutral. The officer became caught in the steering wheel and was dragged 800 feet. Fearing for his life, the officer finally managed to shoot the boy in the chest.
The police officer died almost instantly after becoming dislodged from the car and hitting his head. 12 year old Courtney Mathis died several hours later after somehow managing to drive home.
No charges were filed against the dead officer.
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Victim 12: Roger Owensby Jr.
Died Nov. 7, 2000 at age 29
Roger Owensby Jr. was wanted on outstanding arrest warrants. When police spotted him at a gas station they attempted to arrest Owensby, but he fled. Police tackled him, sprayed him with pepper spray or a similar product, handcuffed him, and put him in the back of the cruiser.
Mr. Owensby was found unconscious a short time later. He subsequently died of suffocation.
A grand jury indicted two of the officers involved in the Owensby case, but as of 4/15/01 the officers had not been tried or convicted in a court of law of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 13: Jeffrey Irons
Died Nov. 8, 2000 at age 30
Jeffrey Irons grabbed a police officer’s gun and shot the officer in the hand when the officer tried to apprehend Irons for stealing from a supermarket.
Another officer who witnessed the incident then shot and killed Mr. Irons before he could fire again.
Mr. Irons had been staying in a homeless shelter at the time of the incident.
As of April 15, 2001 the Irons incident was still under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI.
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Victim 14: Adam Wheeler
Died Jan. 31, 2001
Criminal History: Twice convicted and served jail time on both occasions for possession of drugs; wanted on 3 felony warrants at the time of his death on Jan. 31, 2001.
An officer responded to a drug complaint against Adam Wheeler on Jan. 31, 2001. When the officer arrived at Wheeler’s apartment Mr. Wheeler slammed the door in the officer’s face. Wheeler reportedly screamed "You want a war? You got a war!" and then fired six shots from his gun. During the ensuing battle, police shot and killed Mr. Wheeler. One officer received non-life threatening injuries during the incident.
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Victim 15: Timothy Thomas
Died April 7, 2001 at age 19
Criminal History: Over one-dozen outstanding misdemeanor arrest warrants. Mr. Thomas had twice previously eluded police who had been attempting to take him into custody.
On April 7 two police officers saw and recognized the fugitive Mr. Thomas in one of Cincinnati’s most dangerous neighborhoods. Thomas ran away, and was pursued by the officers, who called for backup. In all, twelve responding officers joined the chase for Mr. Thomas.
One of the responding officers encountered the fleeing suspect (Timothy Thomas) at the end of an alley. The officer testified that the suspect was reaching for something in his waistband, and the officer thought his life was in danger. The officer fired one shot in what he thought was self-defense, and the shot killed the fleeing suspect.
As of 4/15/01, all the evidence in this case has been sealed and is not available for public scrutiny.
The death of Timothy Thomas resulted in a week of violent protests by blacks which resulted in over one million dollars in property damage, as well as black-against-white violence against several white citizens.
Victim 11: Courtney Mathis
Died Sept. 1, 2000 at age 12
Know one really knows what motivated this 12 year old child to steal a relative’s car, to resist arrest, to drag an officer to his death, and ultimately to be killed by the officer who died.
On this fateful evening 12 year old Courtney left his parent’s home and stole a relative’s car. A police officer saw the boy in the car at a convenience store and asked to see his driver’s license.
Courtney tried to flee by putting the car into reverse. The officer reached into the car and either tried to turn off the ignition or shift the car into neutral. The officer became caught in the steering wheel and was dragged 800 feet. Fearing for his life, the officer finally managed to shoot the boy in the chest.
The police officer died almost instantly after becoming dislodged from the car and hitting his head. 12 year old Courtney Mathis died several hours later after somehow managing to drive home.
No charges were filed against the dead officer.
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Victim 12: Roger Owensby Jr.
Died Nov. 7, 2000 at age 29
Roger Owensby Jr. was wanted on outstanding arrest warrants. When police spotted him at a gas station they attempted to arrest Owensby, but he fled. Police tackled him, sprayed him with pepper spray or a similar product, handcuffed him, and put him in the back of the cruiser.
Mr. Owensby was found unconscious a short time later. He subsequently died of suffocation.
A grand jury indicted two of the officers involved in the Owensby case, but as of 4/15/01 the officers had not been tried or convicted in a court of law of any wrongdoing.
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Victim 13: Jeffrey Irons
Died Nov. 8, 2000 at age 30
Jeffrey Irons grabbed a police officer’s gun and shot the officer in the hand when the officer tried to apprehend Irons for stealing from a supermarket.
Another officer who witnessed the incident then shot and killed Mr. Irons before he could fire again.
Mr. Irons had been staying in a homeless shelter at the time of the incident.
As of April 15, 2001 the Irons incident was still under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI.
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Victim 14: Adam Wheeler
Died Jan. 31, 2001
Criminal History: Twice convicted and served jail time on both occasions for possession of drugs; wanted on 3 felony warrants at the time of his death on Jan. 31, 2001.
An officer responded to a drug complaint against Adam Wheeler on Jan. 31, 2001. When the officer arrived at Wheeler’s apartment Mr. Wheeler slammed the door in the officer’s face. Wheeler reportedly screamed "You want a war? You got a war!" and then fired six shots from his gun. During the ensuing battle, police shot and killed Mr. Wheeler. One officer received non-life threatening injuries during the incident.
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Victim 15: Timothy Thomas
Died April 7, 2001 at age 19
Criminal History: Over one-dozen outstanding misdemeanor arrest warrants. Mr. Thomas had twice previously eluded police who had been attempting to take him into custody.
On April 7 two police officers saw and recognized the fugitive Mr. Thomas in one of Cincinnati’s most dangerous neighborhoods. Thomas ran away, and was pursued by the officers, who called for backup. In all, twelve responding officers joined the chase for Mr. Thomas.
One of the responding officers encountered the fleeing suspect (Timothy Thomas) at the end of an alley. The officer testified that the suspect was reaching for something in his waistband, and the officer thought his life was in danger. The officer fired one shot in what he thought was self-defense, and the shot killed the fleeing suspect.
As of 4/15/01, all the evidence in this case has been sealed and is not available for public scrutiny.
The death of Timothy Thomas resulted in a week of violent protests by blacks which resulted in over one million dollars in property damage, as well as black-against-white violence against several white citizens.
I would have to agree. My initial thoughts were that the cops gave the video tape to the media to clear their names. I would expect a bunch of senseless people to attack my name because they don't understand the facts (If I was the police).
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LMAO!
It looks like those questions were asked to leave some shred of doubt into some of gulable minds on this forum. Clearly they serve of no more use that if I asked "Did the black guy beat up 3 cops earlier that day". It's just small talk, something done when you have run out of ammo.
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LMAO!
It looks like those questions were asked to leave some shred of doubt into some of gulable minds on this forum. Clearly they serve of no more use that if I asked "Did the black guy beat up 3 cops earlier that day". It's just small talk, something done when you have run out of ammo.
Damn! Now watch how after all these facts have been laid out, people will still come on here arguing the shit till it kills em'. This shit really makes me wonder about a lot of people on this forum. Maybe it's just the black perception. Because blacks went through such a rough struggle it is not far fetched they would want to use a gun against a white cop, so we can't hold them accountable. Pay no mind of the homocides and robberies committed because this is a black man, and if your a white cop, you can't touch him, that's just the way it goes.
Phil you did a good job with your research and I commend you for your effort. Although it won't do much in the (fixed) minds of those in this thread, at least deep down inside, they will know the truth.
Phil you did a good job with your research and I commend you for your effort. Although it won't do much in the (fixed) minds of those in this thread, at least deep down inside, they will know the truth.