5 dollar delivery fee?

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Nor do I get tipped when I fix a computer. But for people in the food service industry, TIPPING IS PART OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION. Thats why they get a shitty hourly wage. You try to figure out a monthly budget while having to depend on cheapskates for the bulk of your income.

Tipping is not MANDATORY. There is no rule that you HAVE to tip. It is an INCENTIVE, yes. However, I find it hard to believe that all waiters/waitress have that clause in their application or job description. If you can provide proof, that would be wonderful. Thanks.

It's obvious you've never worked in the food service industry, and never worked for tips so you'll probably never understand.

I dont have to understand. The point is, TIPPING IS NOT MANDATORY, like i said. Therefore, you should NOT expect shit, and when you DO get it, you should be fuckin GRATEFUL. Again, why should I give YOU more money....for dong YOUR job? That is illogical.

Its usually shitty work, dealing with dickhead customers all day, for low wages, but decent tips if you're good and your customers aren't social rejects who fail to understand the custom of tipping.

So now I should give them a tip for sympathetic reasons? Its not my damn fault they chose to work there, now is it?

When you go to a restaurant you do so with certain expectations.

That is THERE problem, not mine. In some fancy restaurants, they include gratuity when the party is large, which is when i REFUSE to eat there. How are you going to FORCE me to tip?

You expect food cooked and brought to you in a timely fashion. You expect your orders to be taken accurately. In return, you're expected to add a percentage to your bill and give it directly to your server. That's the way it is, and has been for years. You being a cheap fuck won't change that, it'll only build resentment.

Huh? So you're telling me that there job description is only in effect, when they get tipped? Is that what you're trying to pass of as an argument? I expect to go to a restaurant, where the job description is "take orders, serve food....get $7 bucks an hour". Why should i pay EXTRA for them to do what they signed up for?

Agree with it or don't, but I believe that if you don't tip, you're a dick. Plus it's bad karma.

I dont give a mad ass FUCK what you think I am..how does that affect my life? And if you dont believe in karma, then it doesn't exist.

 

[Masked Lemon]

"where the job description is "take orders, serve food....get $7 bucks an hour".


Most places do not give you minimum wage if you are a waiter. You get a lot less than that. It's usually about $3 or 4 an hour. They get away with it because of tips. It is considered part of a waiter's wages. By not tipping, you are taking away that waiter's wages.

 

[Neshani]

I dont have to understand. The point is, TIPPING IS NOT MANDATORY, like i said. Therefore, you should NOT expect shit, and when you DO get it, you should be fuckin GRATEFUL. Again, why should I give YOU more money....for dong YOUR job? That is illogical.

There are plenty of things that aren't mandatory yet we do them consistently because that's the custom in our culture.

If you're meeting someone in a work environment and they offer their hand it's not mandatory that you shake it. If someone is right behind you when you're going through a door, it's not mandatory to hold it for them. It's not mandatory to say please and thank you when appropriate. Yet most of us do those things because that's the custom in our culture.

It's customary in our culture to show appreciation for good service with a tip. The custom is so strong that some waiters get less than minimum wage because tips are expected, as Lemon pointed out.

If you frequent the same establishment and don't follow the custom of tipping, I'm sure you'll find that it's not mandatory to serve people in the order that they came. And it's not mandatory for the food to be hot or made correctly.

My point is that tipping is good manners in our culture. It may not be logical, it may not make sense to you, but it's a part of the culture that you live in (assuming you're American).

 

[savage]

I worked at a casino before, selling them slot machine tickets to lazy ass customers that didnt want to get up and get the tickets them selves, well anyways, this dude won two jackpots back to back, one slot machine next to the other and he tipped me 100 bucks, well he tipped damn near the whole floor 100, me and about 4 other workers in my field.

If I have alot of money, I'll fork over a few bucks

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

"where the job description is "take orders, serve food....get $7 bucks an hour".


Most places do not give you minimum wage if you are a waiter. You get a lot less than that. It's usually about $3 or 4 an hour. They get away with it because of tips. It is considered part of a waiter's wages. By not tipping, you are taking away that waiter's wages.

Thats against the law. You are required BY law, to at least pay minimum wage...that's the entire reason there IS such a law. So either you are full of shit, or there are a lot of idiots in Cali.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

There are plenty of things that aren't mandatory yet we do them consistently because that's the custom in our culture.

If you're meeting someone in a work environment and they offer their hand it's not mandatory that you shake it. If someone is right behind you when you're going through a door, it's not mandatory to hold it for them. It's not mandatory to say please and thank you when appropriate. Yet most of us do those things because that's the custom in our culture.

Shaking a hand not the same as giving EXTRA money to a person for doing their job.

It's customary in our culture to show appreciation for good service with a tip. The custom is so strong that some waiters get less than minimum wage because tips are expected, as Lemon pointed out.

Again, you CAN NOT give an employee LESS than minimum WAGE...there is a REASON it is in place. Why are people not getting this?

If you frequent the same establishment and don't follow the custom of tipping, I'm sure you'll find that it's not mandatory to serve people in the order that they came. And it's not mandatory for the food to be hot or made correctly.

Actually, IT IS. You think the owner fives a FUCK if someone tips? The point of an establishment is to KEEP PATRONS HAPPY. So if you think that a restaurant isn't going to serve someone becuase they dont tip, you are a on crack, homie. If someone gets bad service, THEY AINT COMING BACK. And top of that, why would a waiter not serve someone in order? They dont get tips til AFTER the meal. Regardless, tips dont affect owners or managers.

My point is that tipping is good manners in our culture. It may not be logical, it may not make sense to you, but it's a part of the culture that you live in (assuming you're American).

And that's great and all, but its still BESIDES THE POINT. Defensing the tip system is ridiculous. And if you stop and think about it, it IS RIDICULOUS.

 

[I. Cold]

Again, you CAN NOT give an employee LESS than minimum WAGE...there is a REASON it is in place. Why are people not getting this?

I think you can, man.. Im not positive, but Im pretty sure if you are a waiter/server, you can make like 2 dollars an hour, but its legal because with tips, it brings it to like 9 an hour. maybe it depends on the state.

 

[savage]

at the casino, they had us fill out weekly tip reports. i never put the correct ammount down. just like a 1.50 or some shit like that. if i would have put down the 100 dollar tip, i would have that taken out of my check. so fuck all that noise.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I think you can, man.. Im not positive, but Im pretty sure if you are a waiter/server, you can make like 2 dollars an hour, but its legal because with tips, it brings it to like 9 an hour. maybe it depends on the state.

Here is what i found on the guidelines of paying LESS than minimum wage in Cali:

Under federal law an employer may pay newly hired employees under the age of 20 less than minimum wage, but no less than $4.25 per hour, but only for the first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment. Increases in the minimum wage rate apparently do not affect this rate, the statute specifies that it shall be $4.25 and makes no mention of any increases relative to the federal minimum wage rate.

If an employer hires a new employee and pays less than minimum wage, under federal law the employer is prohibited from reducing the hours of a current employee or to reduce the pay of a current employee. The employer cannot replace an existing employee with a new employee earning less than minimum wage.

Federal law also allows employers to pay only 75% of the federal minimum wage to learners, apprentices and students. To pay less than minimum wage under these programs the employer is required to obtain a certificate from the wage and hour division. The certificate will specify the rate the employer is allowed to pay. A learner is an individual that has not worked a specified number of hours for that particular industry in the last three years and that worker can be employed at less than minimum wage. This applies only to certain industries and it does not include clerical or office jobs. A student is one enrolled in an accredited school and working on a part time basis as part of a vocational training program. The student is not allowed to spend more than 40 hours per week in combination of class instruction and work. If the student is a minor the employer has to comply with statutes applying to minors.

An apprentice is an employee that is at least 16 years old and as part of the job is employed to learn a skilled trade that is within the guidelines set under 29 CFR § 520.201.

Full time students employed by the school or agriculture or in retail services can be paid 85% of the minimum wage, but a certificate is also specifying the rate the employer may pay. Students are not allowed to work more than 20 hours per week except during vacation from school. It is as retail business the total number of hours paid at less than minimum wage should not exceed 10% of the total hours worked by all employees.

Under federal law employers are also allowed to pay disabled individuals less than minimum wage, but a certificate is also required. Each state may enact its own statutes, but they cannot offer less protection. Under California law employers are permitted to pay less than minimum wage, but the California minimum wage rate is much higher than federal law.

In California learners can be paid less than the minimum wage rate for the first 160 hours only. Learners' wages and learners are defined differently under California law. For the purposes of California learners wage laws, a learner is a defined as natural person that is an employee and has no previous experience or no similar experience. The learners pay rate is no less than 85% of the minimum wage rate and it rounded to the nearest nickel.

California also allows for payment of less than minimum wage for minors. A minor can be paid no less than 85% of the minimum wage rate rounded to the nearest nickel, and the employer is not allowed to have more than 25% of the total hours allocated to less than minimum wage rate minors. If the employer is a small business with less than 10 employees then the most minors allowed is three at less than minimum wage. These standards like federal law don't apply during vacation periods.

There is an exception for minors graduating high school; these minors that have graduated high school must be paid the minimum wage rate. Generally California minimum wage is higher than federal minimum wage rates, and 85% of the state minimum wage will often exceed the federal minimum wage rate, but employers employing minors need to careful that 85% of the state minimum wage rate does not fall below the federal minimum wage rate as there is no exception for minors under federal law. Under California law the employer or employee is required to obtain a license from the California Division of Labor Standards Enforcement to employ the handicapped and pay less than minimum wage.

Note that minimum wage rules are subject to change and can and do change without notice.

http://ezinearticles.com/?When-Can-You-Pay-Less-Than-Minimum-Wage?&id=769700

I bolded the last part because im not sure what he is referring to, the employer or the government.

 

[A1Yola06]

I don't understand why the fuck you gotta tip the dude anyway, I have a shitty ass job too makin 10 bucks an hour so why the fuck does this asshole get tips? Then they get all mad when you don't like they deserve it.

 

[A1Yola06]

I think you can, man.. Im not positive, but Im pretty sure if you are a waiter/server, you can make like 2 dollars an hour, but its legal because with tips, it brings it to like 9 an hour. maybe it depends on the state.

I think your right but it must not be in very many states.

 

[Neshani]

http://www.dol.gov/wb/faq26.htm

Question: Is it legal for waiters and waitresses to be paid below the minimum wage?

Answer: According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.

That's for federal, each state can switch it up.

If you frequent the same establishment and don't follow the custom of tipping, I'm sure you'll find that it's not mandatory to serve people in the order that they came. And it's not mandatory for the food to be hot or made correctly.

Actually, IT IS. You think the owner fives a FUCK if someone tips? The point of an establishment is to KEEP PATRONS HAPPY. So if you think that a restaurant isn't going to serve someone becuase they dont tip, you are a on crack, homie. If someone gets bad service, THEY AINT COMING BACK. And top of that, why would a waiter not serve someone in order? They dont get tips til AFTER the meal. Regardless, tips dont affect owners or managers.

I think in most cases the owners would side with the servers. Why spend extra effort on providing good service to someone too cheap to tip? The majority of people do tip because it's considered polite, why loose a good server over a rude and cheap customer? Even if the owner didn't side with the waiter, the owner would have to be on site to see the poor service.

And that's great and all, but its still BESIDES THE POINT. Defensing the tip system is ridiculous. And if you stop and think about it, it IS RIDICULOUS.

I don't necessarily disagree. Shaking hands is pretty ridiculous as well when you stop and think about it. Yet we do it because that's our custom.

We tip because it's supposed to be a way to reward and encourage good service from the people who serve us.

I tip because I've worked for tips and understand how huge a percentage of your income it actually is. I also know how much I despised the cheap fucks who wouldn't tip. And I also know how getting a half decent tip can turn a shitty day into a good one.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

http://www.dol.gov/wb/faq26.htm

That's for federal, each state can switch it up.

Fair enough.

I think in most cases the owners would side with the servers.

Then you obviously dont eat out very much, if at all. Have you never heard the term "the custoemr is ALWAYS right?" That goes for ALL retail and food, dude...its no secret.

Why spend extra effort on providing good service to someone too cheap to tip? The majority of people do tip because it's considered polite, why loose a good server over a rude and cheap customer? Even if the owner didn't side with the waiter, the owner would have to be on site to see the poor service.

But its all irrelevant becuase servers come a DIME a DOZEN. So why would the owner even care that much? All they care about is "does my establishment make money".

I don't necessarily disagree. Shaking hands is pretty ridiculous as well when you stop and think about it. Yet we do it because that's our custom.

I dont shake hands that often, if at all.

We tip because it's supposed to be a way to reward and encourage good service from the people who serve us.

And you're STILL not getting it.

I tip because I've worked for tips and understand how huge a percentage of your income it actually is. I also know how much I despised the cheap fucks who wouldn't tip. And I also know how getting a half decent tip can turn a shitty day into a good one.

Thats great, but you are STILL failing to understand what I have been saying this ENTIRE time.

 

[Infantry Elite]

I think in most cases the owners would side with the servers. Why spend extra effort on providing good service to someone too cheap to tip? The majority of people do tip because it's considered polite, why loose a good server over a rude and cheap customer? Even if the owner didn't side with the waiter, the owner would have to be on site to see the poor service.

extra effort?

most waiters expect a good tip even if they only bring u ur drink once, take ur order, bring ur food, and bring ur check

which is bare minimum and doesnt take much effort or time

i think thats ridiculous

however, if for some reason you end up sendin the waiter all over the place, or they get you hella refills, then a good tip is kind of deserved..

 

[HIM]

I refuse to shake anyone's hand anymore... you get the whiteboy knuckle-bump from me these days.

I'll even do the little explosion @ the end like "pow" LOL

I'm kidding.

except for the not shaking hands part.

lol...see who all understand that part...

 

[HIM]

I completely understand both sides, but if you really think about it, we are paying people extra to do whats already in their job description...A customer shouldnt have to tip you for you do bring them decent service. Then again, its the way the business is set up. I guess customers are dependent upon to create the other half or majority of the servers pay check. That sucks...I would never want to work as a server because I cant stand a pay check that fluctuates. I need that consistency...

It is a social thing, so I'll play along because I have the funds to do it, but IF I feel a servers hasnt warranted a tip, that MF isnt getting anything.....in the end, customers do have the choice of whether or not to tip someone, so i say if you have the extra and can spare it then why not, especially if the person is going above and beyond for you and making special orders, etc...

 

[Neshani]

Then you obviously dont eat out very much, if at all. Have you never heard the term "the custoemr is ALWAYS right?" That goes for ALL retail and food, dude...its no secret.

Ever heard the the term "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

But its all irrelevant becuase servers come a DIME a DOZEN. So why would the owner even care that much? All they care about is "does my establishment make money".

I'm only hypothesizing, and have never owned a restaurant. I've also heard the term "good help is hard to find". If I've got a good server and 1 out of 100 customers is a dick, I'd side with the server over that dick customer. Now if the server sucks, then fuck em.

I dont shake hands that often, if at all.

I don't either very often, but in professional situations or something like a job interview I follow the custom.

And you're STILL not getting it.

.....

Thats great, but you are STILL failing to understand what I have been saying this ENTIRE time.

I understand that you're saying you don't tip and don't believe in it because the people are already getting paid to do the job and shouldn't get extra money for doing that job.

Is that right?

I'm saying I do tip because I've worked for tips in the past. I understand that most people who work for tips don't get a wage that's equal to the position that they hold because their employers expect them to get tips. Also I enjoy giving good tips because maybe I make someone's day a little brighter.

 

[Infantry Elite]

It is a social thing, so I'll play along because I have the funds to do it, but IF I feel a servers hasnt warranted a tip, that MF isnt getting anything.....in the end, customers do have the choice of whether or not to tip someone, so i say if you have the extra and can spare it then why not, especially if the person is going above and beyond for you and making special orders, etc...

exactly...ive left people with no tip before because they barely even did their job, and fucked hella basic shit up


but usually even if i didnt like the service ill leave at least a buck or 2

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Ever heard the the term "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Yeah, if a customer is unruly or obnoxious, or has no shirt on....but no establishment is going to refuse a customer becuase they dont tip...are you serious? And how would they know if they are going to tip when they walk in? Tipping happens AFTER a meal. So your point makes zero sense.

I'm only hypothesizing, and have never owned a restaurant. I've also heard the term "good help is hard to find". If I've got a good server and 1 out of 100 customers is a dick, I'd side with the server over that dick customer. Now if the server sucks, then fuck em.

And that's why you DON'T own a restaurant. Servers complaing about a tip are NEVER going to win over a owner...they care about THEIR profits, not a servers.

And it doesn't take a genius to serve...finding a good doctor or engineer is something completely different.

I don't either very often, but in professional situations or something like a job interview I follow the custom.

Thats understandable, but comparing handshakes to tips is asinine.

I understand that you're saying you don't tip

Where did I say that?

and don't believe in it because the people are already getting paid to do the job and shouldn't get extra money for doing that job.

This and not tipping are not synonmous.

Is that right?

I guess?

I'm saying I do tip because I've worked for tips in the past. I understand that most people who work for tips don't get a wage that's equal to the position that they hold because their employers expect them to get tips. Also I enjoy giving good tips because maybe I make someone's day a little brighter.

Here is a tip for any and all servers: find a job that doesn't rely on tips.

 

[Artistic]

maybe the next time if it's the same person and they remember you...otherwise....they ain't gonan spit in your food in front of you...and if someone did that to me, that's probably get laid out on my fuckin porch. and then i'd call their work and tell them dude spit in my food and i knocked his ass out and someone needs to come pick him up.

bartenders on the other hand....if you give them a $5-10 tip off top, they'll hook you up all night unless your'e a total douche....or unless THEY are a total douche....cause i do that when i go out which is rare bu ti always get hooked up and loaded hella quick...haha

see i don't go get drunk at bars. i might have a couple of drinks like a couple beers throughout the night or a couple drinks or whatever. if im trying to get faded please believe we going to the store around the corner and buying a bottle and drinking it outside and going back in. But i don't just go to bars. When im at shows and shit there's always a bar and that's what im talking about. don't really go to clubs or bars on the regular to be honest. i go to a lot of rap shows tho.