Floyd "Money" Mayweather vs. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - September 14, 2013
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That's a fine line sometimes. When someone is running can look a lot like what mayweather did against Corrales. He was obviously beating him and beating him soundly but he was obviously concerned with Corrales' power and as well he should've been. But he was moving all night like if he stopped his shoes were going to explode. That's what a lot of people call running even if they are winning
If mayweather runs and gets the w he still going to be on top his fans going to say he gave canelo a boxing lesson....and canelo,de la hoya and his fans going to say he ran he ran he didnt want to fight.. they both stay on top..realy they aint no losers after the fight none of them going to lose fans.. i hope mayweather comes to fight
Right thats how i felt Rigo was against Donaire but everyone else said otherwise so I left it alone. I wasnt complaining but just thought he moved alot but Im sure he wasnt worried about Donaire's power which he shouldve been. Its called boxing and the object is to hit and not get hit so im ok with it as long as while u are moving u are causing damage yourself. Dont just run to run make sure u throw timely blows and penetrate and usually thats what Mayweather does. Got Em!!
Exactly. I finally agree with u on sumthin lol. Kinda the same against Guerrero. Some folks said he ran and others said Mayweather whooped him and gave him a lesson. People are always gonna side with their boxer but as a tru fan Floyd did give Guerrero a boxing lesson. Got Em!!
Exactly. I finally agree with u on sumthin lol. Kinda the same against Guerrero. Some folks said he ran and others said Mayweather whooped him and gave him a lesson. People are always gonna side with their boxer but as a tru fan Floyd did give Guerrero a boxing lesson. Got Em!!
Unfortunately great boxing skills and ring intelligence are frowned upon these days. Mayweather, Rigondeaux and Andre Ward are the finest boxers on the planet yet two of them cant sell for shit and Rigondeaux is struggling just to be on an undercard on HBO despite dominating the 2012 fighter of the year. Floyd's popularity has more to do with the fact he's the best and his outside of the ring antics gets attention, a lot of people love to hate him and tune in to see him lose. Unfortunately guys like Rigondeaux who don't speak English, aren't flamboyant / controversial get ignored and are labelled boring or runners. Well there was a time when people would marvel over high boxing IQ, and extraordinary skills. People lack boxing knowledge and or simply have short attention spans and cant appreciate a good schooling over the course of 12 rounds.
One of the ESPN Boxing contributors tweeted something pretty brilliant after Fat Dan suggested that Rigo was boring. He said something along the lines of "Us boxing "experts" love to talk about how amazing Willie Pep was with his defensive skills, yet are bored with Rigondeaux's skill set" or something like that. Either way, he was spot on. Boxing writers these days get on my damn nerves.
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Yep, Willie Pep was who I was thinking about, the guy who is said to have won a round without throwing a punch. Pernell Whitaker another more modern day example. Fuck, Whitaker was amazing to watch! I have his entire career on DVD I'll randomly toss in a fight of his and be entertained as hell just watching his movement, speed and relaxes. Watching guys try so hard to hit and get so frustrated, it was hilarious to see grown men throwing fits because they couldn't land a shot
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Honestly imagine every fighter came to the ring defense first....clinching holding running boxing would be dead.not always the defensive fighters and brawlers win...come foward fighters keeping the sport alive...honestly i still havent seen the rigo vs donaire fight yet..idk how rigo looked but thats fucked up how hbo they trying to cutt him off.they never cutt floyd off after all his stinky boring fight...boxing politics
Well that's the beauty about boxing. Style vs style. Brawler vs boxer. Boxer puncher vs boxer. Counter puncher vs skilled pressure fighter, etc.
Notice my sig and avatar. The two guys couldn't be more different yet I find them both entertaining as hell. We all love KOs but the "sweet science" is a beautiful thing to watch as well.
Btw, Rigondeaux was awesome against donaire. He nearly knocked down donaire in round 1, hurt him a couple times after that and nearly stopped donaire in the 12th, he literally made donaire run laps around the ring in the final round to avoid being knocked out...yet Rigondeaux is labeled the runner?!!
Watching it live the skill level of each guy, and the SPEED of the hands is something you just don't see often. It was an intense fight despite Rigondeaux winning almost every round.
Notice my sig and avatar. The two guys couldn't be more different yet I find them both entertaining as hell. We all love KOs but the "sweet science" is a beautiful thing to watch as well.
Btw, Rigondeaux was awesome against donaire. He nearly knocked down donaire in round 1, hurt him a couple times after that and nearly stopped donaire in the 12th, he literally made donaire run laps around the ring in the final round to avoid being knocked out...yet Rigondeaux is labeled the runner?!!
Watching it live the skill level of each guy, and the SPEED of the hands is something you just don't see often. It was an intense fight despite Rigondeaux winning almost every round.
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Honestly, I've been around boxing awhile now, since 2005. I've been in an out of the gym with pro amateurs, pro's, 5 year olds, 60 year old etc... Every person has a style when the walk in the gym. Some are taught something new, some can't throw a decent punch, some are naturals, but they all have a style. Some people, no matter how hard they try... can't box, but they can knock over a redwood tree with a left hook, so you work with what they have. You can't expect Brandon Rios to change up his style and get out there and be light on his toes and start out boxing guys, but then again, maybe he was taught the style he has. Either way, style matchups will always be a part of boxing.
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Boxing is all about hit and don't get hit. That's why long before the HBO vs. Showtime I was calling out HBO for there pro brawler bullshit, and hating on boxers. I love a good toe to toe war like the next man, but I love to see a boxer slipping punches and making the other guy pay. Don't call you're a boxing fan if you hate boxers. Just say you love unskilled bar room fights.
^^Broner vs. Paulie was a good fight to me. GGG vs. I'm already scared before the fight Macklin was some bullshit. There are only 4 middleweight worth a damn GGG, Martinez, Qullien, and Murray. The rest are euro bums until they prove otherwise. I guess Rigo vs. Donaire was boring to you also?
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GGG vs Macklin was not a bullshit fight, at all. Macklin is a guy that whooped the then WBA Champion in Felix Sturm but got a robbed in Germany. He went 12 rounds with Sergio and knocked him down and gave Sergio a good fight. He's a tough, solid fighter. And if you notice round 1 Macklin came out aggressive, he had a plan...until he got hit and felt Golovkin's power.
Macklin was also the only guy willing to step up and/or was available. Sergio is still injured. Quillin is on Showtime. Murray wasn't available (I believe he still has visa issues) and the other guy worth mentioning is Daniel Geale, since he's a title holder but he wasn't available either (he's fighting Darren Barker next month).
The ratings also reflected there was solid interest - 1.1 million viewers. Which are good numbers especially considering the fight was between a guy from Kazakhstan vs England. Brandon Rios vs Alvarado II did 1.2 million views so it puts it into perspective a bit. Also, HBO's "2 days", Golovkin's show had over 3 million viewers which is by far the most views for any of the 2 day specials.
Broner vs Malignaggi also reflected a lot of interest, it peaked at 1.3 million viewers, which are great numbers. I think it was a solid first test for broner moving up to 147. So both were good fights (neither was spectacular as far as challengers but solid nonetheless) intended to be challenges and hopefully showcase each ones skills.
Macklin was also the only guy willing to step up and/or was available. Sergio is still injured. Quillin is on Showtime. Murray wasn't available (I believe he still has visa issues) and the other guy worth mentioning is Daniel Geale, since he's a title holder but he wasn't available either (he's fighting Darren Barker next month).
The ratings also reflected there was solid interest - 1.1 million viewers. Which are good numbers especially considering the fight was between a guy from Kazakhstan vs England. Brandon Rios vs Alvarado II did 1.2 million views so it puts it into perspective a bit. Also, HBO's "2 days", Golovkin's show had over 3 million viewers which is by far the most views for any of the 2 day specials.
Broner vs Malignaggi also reflected a lot of interest, it peaked at 1.3 million viewers, which are great numbers. I think it was a solid first test for broner moving up to 147. So both were good fights (neither was spectacular as far as challengers but solid nonetheless) intended to be challenges and hopefully showcase each ones skills.
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WTH happened to Pirog? Does he still hold a title? Daniel Jacobs seems like he's back. I don't know if I believe the reason that he lost was the cancer, he looked like he would've lost anyways just due to style, but there are some good matches to be made in this division and they need to hurry up and happen already.
Pirog has sulfured a series of back injuries. He was scheduled to fight Golovkin but imjured his back again and that's why Proksa stepped in. Because of his inactivity Pirog was stripped his title. It's too bad he had an interesting style but the back injury may be a career ender. He may retire shortly.
Jacobs will likely fight Peter Quillin next since there are a lack of opponents for Quillin on Showtime. Should be an easy win for kid chocolate.
Jacobs will likely fight Peter Quillin next since there are a lack of opponents for Quillin on Showtime. Should be an easy win for kid chocolate.
I think Quillin is vulnerable actually. He obviously has power but I think someone will give him problems if they aren't easy to hit. From what I remember, his footwork isn't that great. Reminds me of Trinidad in that way. Great power, but unsteady on his feet. Someone will expose that sooner or later I think.
I'll explain this to you...running is when you move because you have no answer or response to your aggressor...boxing is when you use angles and movement to fire off shots or avoid punches as you position yourself for a opening. Running is what De La Hoya did with Trinidad...boxing is what Cotto did to Shane in the latter part of their fight. If your moving and landing shots your boxing.
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