YOUR WAR ON TERRORISM
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whats funny is, you quote:
THEY WANT WHITE AMERICA/GOVERNMENT.......
so.....
to use your own saying....your an IRAQI and you know this for a fact?
even thou V clearly used the term EXTREMISTS, which many of the heads of the Muslims factions within this country have stated publicly these ARE NOT the thoughts nor actions of true muslim philosophy...
I've spent time in the middle east, thats more than you can say, from what i have read...
and the TRUTH is just the opposite from what you speak, they want americans to bleed, notice i used the term AMERICANS, that does include you, even if you say it doesn't...regardless if your BLACK, your AMERCIAN in their eyes...
you openly state to others that THEY are american and they along with their government will perish, but you are misguided, as you also fall under THEIR government, whether you claim to or not, whether your black or white, whether your rich or poor.
Osama Bin Ladan has openly condemed SADDAM, praying to ALLAH for his death and departure, but you better believe, OSAMA will fight hand to hand right next to SADDAM if it means killings one single AMERICAN...
Also...
you preach a good game, except for the fact that you openly admit your ***OUT*** of here...
the true color of human nature...run and hide...instead of "making it better" which so many people claim in this thread, you are abandoning your country, notice i said country, not your government...
and leave religion out of this, thats what has clouded Israel and Palestine for thousands of years...quit qouting scripture like it's what everyone believes...
funny how AMERICANS(CIVILIANS)who have no arguement or problem are being attacked in other countries, i'm sure they, like you, don't feel the need for war, or how about those missionaries, or doctor and other people for the red cross, that have been attacked...there to help, yet they are killed for being
AMERICAN.....
your whole thesis on this issue is not logical, nor is it grounded in anything that talks of hope or change, just stating the obvious, that the Governments of the world are wicked and immoral(there is a new theory!!!)...
but AMERICA is destined to fall, all great and powerfull countries do, nothing is forever on this planet.
and your quote on AMERICA doing MORE damage to other countries...
shameless, since you qoute the bible....remember...GOD counts no sin as MORE in weight or substance than any other...the man who kills versus the man who lies, the man who kills repents and straightens up walks the straight and narrow
the liar doesn't...
so in essence, according to your theory the man who kills is deemed worthy of death
not the liar.....
funny, thats not not the way YOUR religion decides a persons value or fate....
OutKast.......
whats funny is, you quote:
THEY WANT WHITE AMERICA/GOVERNMENT.......
so.....
to use your own saying....your an IRAQI and you know this for a fact?
even thou V clearly used the term EXTREMISTS, which many of the heads of the Muslims factions within this country have stated publicly these ARE NOT the thoughts nor actions of true muslim philosophy...
I've spent time in the middle east, thats more than you can say, from what i have read...
and the TRUTH is just the opposite from what you speak, they want americans to bleed, notice i used the term AMERICANS, that does include you, even if you say it doesn't...regardless if your BLACK, your AMERCIAN in their eyes...
you openly state to others that THEY are american and they along with their government will perish, but you are misguided, as you also fall under THEIR government, whether you claim to or not, whether your black or white, whether your rich or poor.
Osama Bin Ladan has openly condemed SADDAM, praying to ALLAH for his death and departure, but you better believe, OSAMA will fight hand to hand right next to SADDAM if it means killings one single AMERICAN...
Also...
you preach a good game, except for the fact that you openly admit your ***OUT*** of here...
the true color of human nature...run and hide...instead of "making it better" which so many people claim in this thread, you are abandoning your country, notice i said country, not your government...
and leave religion out of this, thats what has clouded Israel and Palestine for thousands of years...quit qouting scripture like it's what everyone believes...
funny how AMERICANS(CIVILIANS)who have no arguement or problem are being attacked in other countries, i'm sure they, like you, don't feel the need for war, or how about those missionaries, or doctor and other people for the red cross, that have been attacked...there to help, yet they are killed for being
AMERICAN.....
your whole thesis on this issue is not logical, nor is it grounded in anything that talks of hope or change, just stating the obvious, that the Governments of the world are wicked and immoral(there is a new theory!!!)...
but AMERICA is destined to fall, all great and powerfull countries do, nothing is forever on this planet.
and your quote on AMERICA doing MORE damage to other countries...
shameless, since you qoute the bible....remember...GOD counts no sin as MORE in weight or substance than any other...the man who kills versus the man who lies, the man who kills repents and straightens up walks the straight and narrow
the liar doesn't...
so in essence, according to your theory the man who kills is deemed worthy of death
not the liar.....
funny, thats not not the way YOUR religion decides a persons value or fate....
OutKast.......
@PITTY no i dont mean nukes. like i said the statement is TWO FOLD. i like how YOU and EDJ asked before you went off on a tangent like some of these people.
@mind gone my knowledge of this comes from speaking with MUSLIMS (of different races) and IRAQIS (some of which happen to live im my neighborhood). from what i gather they do NOT tolerate the american government and label it AND israel "THE GREAT SATAN". I agree these are NOT the thoughts of a true muslim or someone who adheres to true islam. how did you come to the assessment of my travel habits and the places i have been? you know EXACTLY where i've been,where i've come from and where im going...WOW!! someone tell this man what prize he has won!! I HOLD THAT STATEMENT TO BE JUST AS TRUE AS "AND LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL". *I* WANT AMERICA TO BURN. SO I GUESS ME AND THE IRAQIS MIGHT SEE EYE TO EYE ONE DAY. NO ACTUALLY I DONT FALL UNDER "THEIR" GOVERNMENT. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE YOU NOR ***ANYONE*** ELSE ON THIS BOARD KNOWS IF I PAY TAXES OR NOT OR IF IM TAX EXEMPT. YOU DONT KNOW IF I HOLD DUAL CITIZENSHIP. BASICALLY YOU KNOW ****NOTHING**** ABOUT **ME**. I DONT ADHERE OR CONFORM TO "AMERICA" OR ITS LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS. BUSH HAS OPENLY CINDEMNED SADDAM AND HIS SO CALLED "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" YET IT WAS BUSH.SR AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WHO SUPPORTED HIM DURING THE 80'S. BUSH HAS OPENLY CONDEMNED BIN LADEN YET BIN LADENS BROTHER INVESTED *MILLIONS* IN ARBUSTO ENERGY. NOT ONLY THAT THE TALIBAN WAS *TRAINED* BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. NOT TO MENTION THAT THE CARLYLE CORP HAD **MILLIONS** FLOATING BACK AND FOURTH BETWEEN THE BUSH AND BIN LADEN ACCOUNTS SEVERAL WEEKS PRIOR TO 9-11.
SO WHO IS A BIGGER THREAT? YOU TELLING ME THAT BIN LADEN AND SADDAM WILL LOC UP TO KILL AN AMERICAN MEANS WHAT? BLOODS HOOK UP TO KILL CRIPS. VICE LORDS HOOK UP TOGETHER TO KILL DISCIPLES. PHARISEES AND SADDUCIES HOOKED UP TO KILL JESUS? SO?!? IF YOU HAVE A COMMON ENEMY YOUR GONNA HOOK UP.... NO ACTUALLY I WALK IT. "HERESY" AND BEING A "HERETIC" IS A WAY OF LIFE FOR ME. YES I AM ON MY WAY OUT OF AMERICA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE IM TALKING ABOUT GOING TO. IT MIGHT BE IRAQ!!! I WAS *NEVER* A PART OF THIS COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH. NOR WILL I *EVER* BE A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. IN ISRAEL YOU HAVE ONE THING GOING ON. ISAAC AND ISHMAEL KILLING EACH OTHER. TWO BROTHERS FIGHTING EACH OTHER. ALSO I DIDNT QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES FIRST. IF YOU GO AND READ IT WAS *V* WHO QUOTED THE SCRIPTURES. SINCE HE HAS SAID THAT HE CONSIDERS THE BIBLE AS VALID SCRIPTURES (IN OTHER THREADS) I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO TWO THINGS.
1.REPLY TO HIM USING THE SCRIPTURES THAT *HE* INITIALLY USED.
2.REPLY TO HIM USING SOURCE MATERIAL THAT *HE* DEEMS "VALID".
IN REGARDS TO YOUR STATEMENT WHY SHOULD I STOP WHEN:
A.)IT WAS DIRECTED AT *ONE* PERSON WHO MADE A STATEMENT USING THE BIBLE?
B.)WHY SHOULD I STOP WHEN WE HAVE SEVERAL CHRISTIANS/JEWS ON THIS BOARD WHO *DO* HOLD THE BIBLE TO BE VALID? I KNOW THIS AND I HAVE OPENLY CONDEMNED THIS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE WHO ARE ATTACKED IN SOMALIA ,CHINA AND OTHER PLACES FOR PREACHING THE GOSPEL. THIS THREAD HAS TO DO WITH ***AMERICA*** AND ITS "WAR ON TERRORISM". IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MISSIONARIES, A SPACE PROGRAM OR A WHOPPER WITH CHEESE FROM BURGER KING.
BECAUSE IM NOT VOCAL ABOUT IT IN *THIS* THREAD DOESNT MEAN THAT I *HAVENT* TOUCHED DOWN ON IT IN THE PAST. ACTUALLY THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD BEING EVIL AND IMMORAL ISNT A THEORY. ITS REALITY. IF YOU DEEM MY RESPONSES A THESIS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. HOWEVER I SUGGEST THAT YOU USE ANOTHER WORD OR SOMEHOW GRASP THE CONCEPT OF THE WORD. A THESIS IS BASED ON RESEARCH. SO I WILL MAINTAIN MY VIEWS BASED ON THAT RESEARCH. VERY LOGICAL INDEED. AMERICA BEING BURNED *IS* CHANGE. SO FAR I HAVE THREE PEOPLE GUNNING FOR ME,TELLING ME WHY IM WRONG,WHY IM ILLOGICAL AND WHY IM SELF CENTERED FOR SAYING:
"MAY GOD BURN HER WITH FIRE"
LMAO!!!!! *IF* YOU ONLY KNEW HOW HARD I WAS LAUGHING NOW.
THE PICTURES SHOW *AMERICAS* TRANSGRESSIONS. IN FACT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A CRIME OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OR THOSE WHO WERE IN POWER LOOK AT A BLACK MAN. ROBBED OF CULTURE,LANGUAGE,RIGHTS,RELIGION AND JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU WANT TO SEE CRIMES LOOK AT A NATIVE AMERICAN.
THE TOPIC IS ABOUT THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SEVERAL OF YOU SEEM TO WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT BY LASHING OUT AGAINST MY STATEMENT WELL GUESS WHAT? MAY GOD BURN HER WITH FIRE AND REDUCE HER TO ASHES AND SMOKE!!! HOW DOES THAT SOUND? MAY THE SCREAMS OF AMERICA REACH THE HEAVENS AND PIERCE THE EARS OF THE BURNING SERAPH!!! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR? YEAH SHE IS DESTINED TO FALL. SOONER THAN MOST REALIZE!! LOL!! DONT WORRY. 1.I QUOTED THE BIBLE BECAUSE "V" DID.
2.I SUGGEST YOU READ THE BIBLE AND STUDY IT. YOU *DO* HAVE "DIFFERENT" DEGREES OF SIN. IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?
3.IF NO DIFFERENCE EXIST BETWEEN SIN WHY DID YESHUA HIMSELF SAY: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST?
4.IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXISTS WHY DOES EZEK 8:5-16. LIST ABOMINATIONS and *GREATER ABOMINATIONS*????
5.IF YOU HAVE NO DIFFERENCE IN SIN EXPLAIN 1 COR 6:18
6.IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXIST EXPLAIN LUKE 12:47,48.
NOW I HAVE SHOWN FIVE INSTANCES OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN. IF YOU CANT ANSWER THEM ALL TRY TO ANSWER NUMBER 2.
ACTUALLY IF YOU STUDY THE TORRAH YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME SINS WERE WORTHY OF DEATH. LYING? NO. MUDER? YES. BEASTIALITY? YES. ALL HAVE SINNED. THAT IS A GIVEN. YOU,ME BUSH,SADDAM ETC ETC ETC. HOWEVER CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY STAND OUT IN GODS EYES. CRIMES THAT LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY DO(OR CRIMES THAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNTRIES DO) STAND OUT IN GODS EYES. I ***STRONGLY*** ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE BOOK OF AMOS. MY RELIGION? WHAT IS MY RELIGION? AM I MUSLIM? DO I ADHERE TO THE VEDAS? AM I AN ORTHODOX JEW? AM I A CHRISTIAN? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MY RELIGION IS AND HOW IT DECIDES A PERSONS FATE? ? HUH?!?
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA?
OR
GOD DAMN AMERICA?
:h:
@mind gone my knowledge of this comes from speaking with MUSLIMS (of different races) and IRAQIS (some of which happen to live im my neighborhood). from what i gather they do NOT tolerate the american government and label it AND israel "THE GREAT SATAN". I agree these are NOT the thoughts of a true muslim or someone who adheres to true islam. how did you come to the assessment of my travel habits and the places i have been? you know EXACTLY where i've been,where i've come from and where im going...WOW!! someone tell this man what prize he has won!! I HOLD THAT STATEMENT TO BE JUST AS TRUE AS "AND LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL". *I* WANT AMERICA TO BURN. SO I GUESS ME AND THE IRAQIS MIGHT SEE EYE TO EYE ONE DAY. NO ACTUALLY I DONT FALL UNDER "THEIR" GOVERNMENT. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE YOU NOR ***ANYONE*** ELSE ON THIS BOARD KNOWS IF I PAY TAXES OR NOT OR IF IM TAX EXEMPT. YOU DONT KNOW IF I HOLD DUAL CITIZENSHIP. BASICALLY YOU KNOW ****NOTHING**** ABOUT **ME**. I DONT ADHERE OR CONFORM TO "AMERICA" OR ITS LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS. BUSH HAS OPENLY CINDEMNED SADDAM AND HIS SO CALLED "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" YET IT WAS BUSH.SR AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WHO SUPPORTED HIM DURING THE 80'S. BUSH HAS OPENLY CONDEMNED BIN LADEN YET BIN LADENS BROTHER INVESTED *MILLIONS* IN ARBUSTO ENERGY. NOT ONLY THAT THE TALIBAN WAS *TRAINED* BY THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. NOT TO MENTION THAT THE CARLYLE CORP HAD **MILLIONS** FLOATING BACK AND FOURTH BETWEEN THE BUSH AND BIN LADEN ACCOUNTS SEVERAL WEEKS PRIOR TO 9-11.
SO WHO IS A BIGGER THREAT? YOU TELLING ME THAT BIN LADEN AND SADDAM WILL LOC UP TO KILL AN AMERICAN MEANS WHAT? BLOODS HOOK UP TO KILL CRIPS. VICE LORDS HOOK UP TOGETHER TO KILL DISCIPLES. PHARISEES AND SADDUCIES HOOKED UP TO KILL JESUS? SO?!? IF YOU HAVE A COMMON ENEMY YOUR GONNA HOOK UP.... NO ACTUALLY I WALK IT. "HERESY" AND BEING A "HERETIC" IS A WAY OF LIFE FOR ME. YES I AM ON MY WAY OUT OF AMERICA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE IM TALKING ABOUT GOING TO. IT MIGHT BE IRAQ!!! I WAS *NEVER* A PART OF THIS COUNTRY TO BEGIN WITH. NOR WILL I *EVER* BE A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. IN ISRAEL YOU HAVE ONE THING GOING ON. ISAAC AND ISHMAEL KILLING EACH OTHER. TWO BROTHERS FIGHTING EACH OTHER. ALSO I DIDNT QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES FIRST. IF YOU GO AND READ IT WAS *V* WHO QUOTED THE SCRIPTURES. SINCE HE HAS SAID THAT HE CONSIDERS THE BIBLE AS VALID SCRIPTURES (IN OTHER THREADS) I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO TWO THINGS.
1.REPLY TO HIM USING THE SCRIPTURES THAT *HE* INITIALLY USED.
2.REPLY TO HIM USING SOURCE MATERIAL THAT *HE* DEEMS "VALID".
IN REGARDS TO YOUR STATEMENT WHY SHOULD I STOP WHEN:
A.)IT WAS DIRECTED AT *ONE* PERSON WHO MADE A STATEMENT USING THE BIBLE?
B.)WHY SHOULD I STOP WHEN WE HAVE SEVERAL CHRISTIANS/JEWS ON THIS BOARD WHO *DO* HOLD THE BIBLE TO BE VALID? I KNOW THIS AND I HAVE OPENLY CONDEMNED THIS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE WHO ARE ATTACKED IN SOMALIA ,CHINA AND OTHER PLACES FOR PREACHING THE GOSPEL. THIS THREAD HAS TO DO WITH ***AMERICA*** AND ITS "WAR ON TERRORISM". IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MISSIONARIES, A SPACE PROGRAM OR A WHOPPER WITH CHEESE FROM BURGER KING.
BECAUSE IM NOT VOCAL ABOUT IT IN *THIS* THREAD DOESNT MEAN THAT I *HAVENT* TOUCHED DOWN ON IT IN THE PAST. ACTUALLY THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD BEING EVIL AND IMMORAL ISNT A THEORY. ITS REALITY. IF YOU DEEM MY RESPONSES A THESIS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. HOWEVER I SUGGEST THAT YOU USE ANOTHER WORD OR SOMEHOW GRASP THE CONCEPT OF THE WORD. A THESIS IS BASED ON RESEARCH. SO I WILL MAINTAIN MY VIEWS BASED ON THAT RESEARCH. VERY LOGICAL INDEED. AMERICA BEING BURNED *IS* CHANGE. SO FAR I HAVE THREE PEOPLE GUNNING FOR ME,TELLING ME WHY IM WRONG,WHY IM ILLOGICAL AND WHY IM SELF CENTERED FOR SAYING:
"MAY GOD BURN HER WITH FIRE"
LMAO!!!!! *IF* YOU ONLY KNEW HOW HARD I WAS LAUGHING NOW.
THE PICTURES SHOW *AMERICAS* TRANSGRESSIONS. IN FACT IF YOU WANT TO SEE A CRIME OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OR THOSE WHO WERE IN POWER LOOK AT A BLACK MAN. ROBBED OF CULTURE,LANGUAGE,RIGHTS,RELIGION AND JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. IF YOU WANT TO SEE CRIMES LOOK AT A NATIVE AMERICAN.
THE TOPIC IS ABOUT THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SEVERAL OF YOU SEEM TO WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT BY LASHING OUT AGAINST MY STATEMENT WELL GUESS WHAT? MAY GOD BURN HER WITH FIRE AND REDUCE HER TO ASHES AND SMOKE!!! HOW DOES THAT SOUND? MAY THE SCREAMS OF AMERICA REACH THE HEAVENS AND PIERCE THE EARS OF THE BURNING SERAPH!!! IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR? YEAH SHE IS DESTINED TO FALL. SOONER THAN MOST REALIZE!! LOL!! DONT WORRY. 1.I QUOTED THE BIBLE BECAUSE "V" DID.
2.I SUGGEST YOU READ THE BIBLE AND STUDY IT. YOU *DO* HAVE "DIFFERENT" DEGREES OF SIN. IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?
3.IF NO DIFFERENCE EXIST BETWEEN SIN WHY DID YESHUA HIMSELF SAY: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST?
4.IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXISTS WHY DOES EZEK 8:5-16. LIST ABOMINATIONS and *GREATER ABOMINATIONS*????
5.IF YOU HAVE NO DIFFERENCE IN SIN EXPLAIN 1 COR 6:18
6.IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXIST EXPLAIN LUKE 12:47,48.
NOW I HAVE SHOWN FIVE INSTANCES OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIN. IF YOU CANT ANSWER THEM ALL TRY TO ANSWER NUMBER 2.
ACTUALLY IF YOU STUDY THE TORRAH YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME SINS WERE WORTHY OF DEATH. LYING? NO. MUDER? YES. BEASTIALITY? YES. ALL HAVE SINNED. THAT IS A GIVEN. YOU,ME BUSH,SADDAM ETC ETC ETC. HOWEVER CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY STAND OUT IN GODS EYES. CRIMES THAT LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY DO(OR CRIMES THAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNTRIES DO) STAND OUT IN GODS EYES. I ***STRONGLY*** ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE BOOK OF AMOS. MY RELIGION? WHAT IS MY RELIGION? AM I MUSLIM? DO I ADHERE TO THE VEDAS? AM I AN ORTHODOX JEW? AM I A CHRISTIAN? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MY RELIGION IS AND HOW IT DECIDES A PERSONS FATE? ? HUH?!?
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA?
OR
GOD DAMN AMERICA?
:h:
In God's eyes a sin is a sin.
In man's eyes there are degrees to sin. And man suffers to those degrees. Not because God sees it that way, but because we see it that way.
^^^
everything I just stated, (even though it regards an absolute viewpoint and a relative one), is relative in relationship to the following absolute truth that:
God does not conceive sin the way we do. God knows of it but it is foreign to his nature. To us sin can be a terrible thing. In God's eyes it is nothing. And that is why it shall perish. God does not see a sin and "get angry", resulting in a catastrophic event. This is medeival thought. God is so far beyond foolish human emotions. It is ridiculously hilarious how much people think He does adhere to such lowly human traits. God endowed us with His likeness and His power (to a lesser degree of course). When the masses are ignorant of the righteousness of this power they misuse it. We will reap what we sow, whether its positive or negative. As negative events happen in human history we must have faith in goodness. When we conceive of God being angry how can we maintain this faith? God transcends all of this. His law is what we live under and when it is misused we fall. To perceive this as God "being angry" is downgrading God. No matter how much one tries, one cannot bring God down to human level. There are likenesses between man and God, (we were made in His likeness), but there are also degrees. We do not encompass all degrees, God is all degrees...
In man's eyes there are degrees to sin. And man suffers to those degrees. Not because God sees it that way, but because we see it that way.
^^^
everything I just stated, (even though it regards an absolute viewpoint and a relative one), is relative in relationship to the following absolute truth that:
God does not conceive sin the way we do. God knows of it but it is foreign to his nature. To us sin can be a terrible thing. In God's eyes it is nothing. And that is why it shall perish. God does not see a sin and "get angry", resulting in a catastrophic event. This is medeival thought. God is so far beyond foolish human emotions. It is ridiculously hilarious how much people think He does adhere to such lowly human traits. God endowed us with His likeness and His power (to a lesser degree of course). When the masses are ignorant of the righteousness of this power they misuse it. We will reap what we sow, whether its positive or negative. As negative events happen in human history we must have faith in goodness. When we conceive of God being angry how can we maintain this faith? God transcends all of this. His law is what we live under and when it is misused we fall. To perceive this as God "being angry" is downgrading God. No matter how much one tries, one cannot bring God down to human level. There are likenesses between man and God, (we were made in His likeness), but there are also degrees. We do not encompass all degrees, God is all degrees...
@916
I AGREE HOWEVER SCRIPTURE ITSELF SHOWS US THAT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF SIN. IS LYING A SIN.YES. IS FORNICATION A SIN? YES. SIN IS SIN.
HOW COME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE A PROBLEM READING WHAT IS POSTED? I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE VEILS OVER YOUR EYES OR IF YOU HAVE SELECTIVE READING OR SIGHT. DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING?
IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?
IF NO DEGREE OF SIN EXISTS WHY WOULD YESHUA SAY THAT THIS SIN IS UNFORGIVEN?
IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXISTS EXPLAIN THIS: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST? LMAO!!!!!! BACK PORCH PHILOSOPHY. YET JESUS HIMSELF IS SAYING THAT A CERTAIN SIN IS UNFORGIVEN AND THAT ONE MAN HAS A "GREATER" SIN THAN THE OTHER. I AGREE. MOST OF US ACCEPT IT AND DOWNPLAY IT. SODOM AND GOMMORAH. THE 8 CITIES IN AMOS. TAKE YOUR PICK. NO BETTER YET WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE ISRAELITES WORSHIPPED THE GOLDEN CAVE? GOD DIDNT GET ANGRY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT YHWH (THE GOD OF THE BIBLE) DOES NOT GET ANGRY? PLEASE SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS GOD IS NOT ANGRY OR DOES NOT GER ANGRY??? I CAN SHOW YOU MANY CASES OF WHERE HE DOES. ACTUALLY THIS THOUGHT WAS BEFORE MEDEIVAL TIMES PLEASE STUDY THE TORAH. WHY IS IT THAT **GOD HIMSELF** SET ASIDE DIFFERENT PUNSIHMENTS (BECAUSE OF SIN) IN THE TORRAH? HERES A QUOTE FROM GOD HIMSELF: IF GOD DOES NOT HAVE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES OR DEEMS THEM LOW WHY WOULD HE:
1.DESCRIBE HIMSELF AS A "JEALOUS" GOD.
2.GIVE US, HIS CREATION WHO HE MADE IN HIS OWN IMAGE THESE LOWLY HUMAN ATTRIBUTES?
3.IF GOD DOES NOT ADHERE TO HUMAN TRAITS WHY/HOW CAN HE LOVE? ?!? LOL!
FRONT PORCH PHILOSOPHY. COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. :classic:
1.I JUST GAVE YOU A VERSE WITH GOD HIMSELF SAYING THAT HE IS A JEALOUS GOD.
2.DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU VERSES OF GOD HIMSELF SAYING THAT HIS ANGER IS KINDLED AGAINST BLAH BLAH BLAH?
3.GOD MUST BE BRINGING HIMSELF DOWN WHEN HE SAYS THAT HE IS ANGRY OR JEALOUS.
4.TO STATE THAT GOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE TRAITS OR EMOTIONS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS SOME SORT OF FORCE,LACKING ANY REAL PERSONALITY AND NOT IN TOUCH WITH HIS CREATION.
IF GOD DOES NOT EXPRESS THESE TRAITS WHY DOES GOD HIMSELF STATE THAT HE WAS SORRY FOR MAKING MAN? IS FEELING SORRY A FEELING OF REMORSE OR RECONSIDERATION? AND GOD HIMSELF GAVE THESE DEGREES IN THE TORAH. JESUS HIMSELF MADE IT ***CLEAR*** THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF SIN.
YOU HAVE LAWS IN AMERICA. YOU BREAK ONE OF THESE LAWS YOU WILL GET A CERTAIN FINE OR PUNISHMENT.
YOU HAVE MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES.
SIN AND ABOMINATIONS.
NOW IM GETTING MY SOURCES FROM THE RAUCH HAKODESH. I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INSIGHT BUT GOOD LUCK BUDDY. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE REFERING TO THE GOD OF THE BIBLE ITS ***NO WAY*** YOU CAN VALIDATE YOUR POINTS.
:h:
IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?
IF NO DEGREE OF SIN EXISTS WHY WOULD YESHUA SAY THAT THIS SIN IS UNFORGIVEN?
IF NO DIFFERENCE OF SIN EXISTS EXPLAIN THIS: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST? LMAO!!!!!! BACK PORCH PHILOSOPHY. YET JESUS HIMSELF IS SAYING THAT A CERTAIN SIN IS UNFORGIVEN AND THAT ONE MAN HAS A "GREATER" SIN THAN THE OTHER. I AGREE. MOST OF US ACCEPT IT AND DOWNPLAY IT. SODOM AND GOMMORAH. THE 8 CITIES IN AMOS. TAKE YOUR PICK. NO BETTER YET WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE ISRAELITES WORSHIPPED THE GOLDEN CAVE? GOD DIDNT GET ANGRY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT YHWH (THE GOD OF THE BIBLE) DOES NOT GET ANGRY? PLEASE SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT SAYS GOD IS NOT ANGRY OR DOES NOT GER ANGRY??? I CAN SHOW YOU MANY CASES OF WHERE HE DOES. ACTUALLY THIS THOUGHT WAS BEFORE MEDEIVAL TIMES PLEASE STUDY THE TORAH. WHY IS IT THAT **GOD HIMSELF** SET ASIDE DIFFERENT PUNSIHMENTS (BECAUSE OF SIN) IN THE TORRAH? HERES A QUOTE FROM GOD HIMSELF: IF GOD DOES NOT HAVE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES OR DEEMS THEM LOW WHY WOULD HE:
1.DESCRIBE HIMSELF AS A "JEALOUS" GOD.
2.GIVE US, HIS CREATION WHO HE MADE IN HIS OWN IMAGE THESE LOWLY HUMAN ATTRIBUTES?
3.IF GOD DOES NOT ADHERE TO HUMAN TRAITS WHY/HOW CAN HE LOVE? ?!? LOL!
FRONT PORCH PHILOSOPHY. COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. :classic:
1.I JUST GAVE YOU A VERSE WITH GOD HIMSELF SAYING THAT HE IS A JEALOUS GOD.
2.DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU VERSES OF GOD HIMSELF SAYING THAT HIS ANGER IS KINDLED AGAINST BLAH BLAH BLAH?
3.GOD MUST BE BRINGING HIMSELF DOWN WHEN HE SAYS THAT HE IS ANGRY OR JEALOUS.
4.TO STATE THAT GOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE TRAITS OR EMOTIONS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS SOME SORT OF FORCE,LACKING ANY REAL PERSONALITY AND NOT IN TOUCH WITH HIS CREATION.
IF GOD DOES NOT EXPRESS THESE TRAITS WHY DOES GOD HIMSELF STATE THAT HE WAS SORRY FOR MAKING MAN? IS FEELING SORRY A FEELING OF REMORSE OR RECONSIDERATION? AND GOD HIMSELF GAVE THESE DEGREES IN THE TORAH. JESUS HIMSELF MADE IT ***CLEAR*** THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF SIN.
YOU HAVE LAWS IN AMERICA. YOU BREAK ONE OF THESE LAWS YOU WILL GET A CERTAIN FINE OR PUNISHMENT.
YOU HAVE MISDEMEANORS AND FELONIES.
SIN AND ABOMINATIONS.
NOW IM GETTING MY SOURCES FROM THE RAUCH HAKODESH. I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR INSIGHT BUT GOOD LUCK BUDDY. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE REFERING TO THE GOD OF THE BIBLE ITS ***NO WAY*** YOU CAN VALIDATE YOUR POINTS.
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funny.....
YOU read what posted refering to your knowing of the Middle east, i openly stated "FROM WHAT I READ", it was not an assumption, you are correct in one aspect....also i was not refering to you leaving this country as a literal physical leaving of the so called land of AMERICA...you obviously did not read what i was getting at......
you ignorance about the taxes and what not...LMAO!!!...you think paying taxes or not makes a difference in how a foreigner sees an AMERICAN....lol...thats a classic, i'll have to print that out...post it on the clip board....and watch for the dead name game in the paper....
and the other point you missed was that AMERICANS, ones who do don't live here on this soil, are being killed, yet you think your safe?...safe as JESUS huh???? your stereotyped before you leave this country, whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not...you gonna tell me there weren't any people on board those planes or in the trade center that felt the same or about the same as you???...yet that saved them didn't it???
and you should know the one thing you should never do, especially from what you say your beliefs are:
never assume or make false statements that something can or can't happen to you...
your reference to bush and whatever he said about SADDAM...so what? your still american in THEIR eyes....say it a thousand times, i'm not american, burn amercia burn, burn the flag, do whatever...
they'd kill you in a second
why...
your AMERICAN, your making the ASSUMPTION that i'm refering to an actual title or some kind of paper statying your american...LMAO...you think they give a fuck about some paper saying your american...you think those gorilla fighters in SOMALIA gave a fuck if they guys they killed and dragged were soldiers or red cross volunteers....no...
they were american...
my refernce to run and hide....thats not physical, thats spiritual and psychological
YOUR religion specifically states to reach to ALL men from every nation....yet your not practicing what YOUR religion is preaching...
soak game...
i'll answer all 5 of your supposed references about the levels of sin.....
with one answer...
is there a level of forgiveness????
no....
do you work harder to achieve worthiness or is all sin forgiven(assuming we are still talking about chrsitianity)equally in the fathers eyes.....
the only reason i used the term YOUR religion is because you referenced the bible and scripture passage, i do not know if your religious or not, personally i would hope not, preferably spiritual...
also GOD commanded his people to commit crimes against humanity, to wipe out nation after nation, as they weren't deemed "worthy" and that the chosen people would inheret the earth...
wiping out an entire civilization is a crime against humanity, therefore GOD would guilty of his own supposed unforgivable sin...
3.IF NO DIFFERENCE EXIST BETWEEN SIN WHY DID YESHUA HIMSELF SAY: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST?
he is refering to MAN as a whole, that man has sinned against god, he knows this, and is ready to be removed from gods place and be taken by man and killed for thier sins...
also when they mob was going to stone the whore Mary, why did jesus not say:
thou who hast no sinned at this level cast the first stone.....
because his point was that all men sin...equally...and all can be forgiven equally....without difference....
OutKast...(thats refering to me)
lol
.....
YOU read what posted refering to your knowing of the Middle east, i openly stated "FROM WHAT I READ", it was not an assumption, you are correct in one aspect....also i was not refering to you leaving this country as a literal physical leaving of the so called land of AMERICA...you obviously did not read what i was getting at......
you ignorance about the taxes and what not...LMAO!!!...you think paying taxes or not makes a difference in how a foreigner sees an AMERICAN....lol...thats a classic, i'll have to print that out...post it on the clip board....and watch for the dead name game in the paper....
and the other point you missed was that AMERICANS, ones who do don't live here on this soil, are being killed, yet you think your safe?...safe as JESUS huh???? your stereotyped before you leave this country, whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not...you gonna tell me there weren't any people on board those planes or in the trade center that felt the same or about the same as you???...yet that saved them didn't it???
and you should know the one thing you should never do, especially from what you say your beliefs are:
never assume or make false statements that something can or can't happen to you...
your reference to bush and whatever he said about SADDAM...so what? your still american in THEIR eyes....say it a thousand times, i'm not american, burn amercia burn, burn the flag, do whatever...
they'd kill you in a second
why...
your AMERICAN, your making the ASSUMPTION that i'm refering to an actual title or some kind of paper statying your american...LMAO...you think they give a fuck about some paper saying your american...you think those gorilla fighters in SOMALIA gave a fuck if they guys they killed and dragged were soldiers or red cross volunteers....no...
they were american...
my refernce to run and hide....thats not physical, thats spiritual and psychological
YOUR religion specifically states to reach to ALL men from every nation....yet your not practicing what YOUR religion is preaching...
soak game...
i'll answer all 5 of your supposed references about the levels of sin.....
with one answer...
is there a level of forgiveness????
no....
do you work harder to achieve worthiness or is all sin forgiven(assuming we are still talking about chrsitianity)equally in the fathers eyes.....
the only reason i used the term YOUR religion is because you referenced the bible and scripture passage, i do not know if your religious or not, personally i would hope not, preferably spiritual...
also GOD commanded his people to commit crimes against humanity, to wipe out nation after nation, as they weren't deemed "worthy" and that the chosen people would inheret the earth...
wiping out an entire civilization is a crime against humanity, therefore GOD would guilty of his own supposed unforgivable sin...
3.IF NO DIFFERENCE EXIST BETWEEN SIN WHY DID YESHUA HIMSELF SAY: "THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN" JOHN 19:11. GREATER SIN? HOW CAN A SIN BE GREATER THAN THE NEXT IF NO DEGREES EXIST?
he is refering to MAN as a whole, that man has sinned against god, he knows this, and is ready to be removed from gods place and be taken by man and killed for thier sins...
also when they mob was going to stone the whore Mary, why did jesus not say:
thou who hast no sinned at this level cast the first stone.....
because his point was that all men sin...equally...and all can be forgiven equally....without difference....
OutKast...(thats refering to me)
lol
.....
FROM WHAT YOU HAVE READ HOW WOULD YOU HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I KNOW OR IF I HAVE SPENT TIME IN THE MID EAST???
ONCE AGAIN HOW DO YOU COME TO THE ASSESSMENT THAT I HAVE OR HAVE NOT SPENT TIME IN TEH MID EAST? IF I DIDNT SAY IT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? IN REGARDS TO LEAVING THIS COUNTRY YOU SAID:
ITS OBVIOUS THAT *YOU* DIDNT READ WHEN I SAID:
. CASE CLOSED ON THAT ONE. YOU DONT READ.
PAYING TAXES WAS MADE IN REGARDS TO YOUR STATEMENT THAT:
PLEASE DO NOT MISCONSTRUE MY WORDS OR TAKE THEM OUT OF CONTEXT. IN ORDER FOR ME TO FALL UNDER "THEIR" GOVERNMENT I MUST BE *RESTRICTED* AND CONFINED TO THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS. IM ***NOT***. ONCE AGAIN THE TAX COMMENT WAS *NOT* IN REGARDS TO IRAQ. IT WAS IN REGARDS TO ONE BEING UNDER THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT.
ITS *OBVIOUS*THAT *YOU* DONT READ. HOW DID I MISS THE FACT THAT AMERICANS ARE BEING KILLED WHEN I SAID THE FOLLOWING:
DID YOU READ THAT OR DID YOU "MISS" IT? WHY ISNT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT FIGHTING FOR THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING OVER SEAS?
IN REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT "TERRORIST" FROM THE AFGHANS COMMITED THE ACT OF TERROR. WHAT HAVE I SAID ABOUT MY BELIEFS?? IM STILL A NIGGER IN THE EYES OF WHITE AMERICA....SO WHATS YOUR POINT? WHITE AMERICA (MEANING THE ELITE) HAS IT OUT FOR ME.....YOUR POINT IS WHAT? ARE THEY LOOKING AT ME LIKE "HE IS AMERICAN HE IS OK"? OF COURSE NOT. IF THEY DID YOU WOULDNT OF HAD A TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENT.
WHY WASNT THE AMERICAN TALIBAN KILLED? MY ****ANSWER**** WAS SPIRITUAL. IF YOU KNEW *ME* YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
HAVE I STATED WHAT MY RELIGION IS? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MY RELIGION IS. PLEASE SHOW ME AN INSTANCE OF ME SAYING I FOLLOW A PARTICULAR RELIGION. IF I HAVE NOT STATED THAT I BELONGED TO ANY RELIGION HOW DO YOU APPLY THIS TO ME? IF THATS THE CASE JESUS IS A ****LIAR**** FOR SAYING THAT BLASPHEMY AGAINST A CERTAIN PARTY WAS ***UNFORGIVEN***.
IF SOMETHING IS FORGIVEN AND SOMETHING ELSE ISNT THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE. SIN IS **NOT** EQUAL IN GODS EYES (BY THE WAY IM *NOT* A "CHRISTIAN" NOR AM I A FOLLOWER OF CHRISTIANITY SO STOP ASSUMING) IF IT WERE YOU WOULD HAVE:
1.NO DIFFERENCE IN *PUNISHMENT* IN REGARDS TO DIFFERENT SINS AS STATED IN THE TORRAH.
2.GOD STATING THAT HE HATES ALL SIN THE SAME....YET HE *CLEARLY* STATES THAT HE HATES 7 OF THEM MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
3.NO NEED FOR GOD CALLING CERTAIN SINS ABOMINATIONS.
4.NO NEED FOR GOD STATING THAT FORNICATION WAS A *DIFFERENT* SIN THAN *ANYTHING* ELSE AND THE *ONLY* SIN COMMITED AGAINST ONES OWN BODY.
5. NO REASON FOR YESHUA TO SAY THAT THE MAN WHO DELIVERED HIM HAS THE ***GREATER*** SIN.
6.A CASE OF YESHUA SAYING THAT ONE SIN IS FORGIVEN AND ANOTHER ONE ISNT. I REFERENCED THEM BECAUSE ITS TRUE AND THEY SUPPORT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF SIN. PLEASE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW ME THAT ALL SIN IS THE SAME AND GETS THE SAME TREATMENT (PUNISHMENT) IN THE END. IF ALL SIN IS THE "SAME" WHY DOES 1 JOHN 5:16-17 WHY DO WE HAVE A *DIFFERENCE* IN SIN AND THAT CERTAIN SINS LEAD TO DEATH???? YES I AM SPIRITUAL. I TRY TO WALK IN THE SPIRIT EVERYDAY. ITS *THE* HARDEST THING I HAVE EVER TRIED TO DO. WHEN DID GOD EVER INSTRUCT HIS PEOPLE TO COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? I ***SERIOUSLY*** ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE BOOK OF AMOS. 1.GOD WIPED OUT HUMANITY BEFORE.
2.CERTAIN WARS ARE ORDAINED BY GOD (AND SUPPORTED BY HIM)
3.WHO SAID THAT WIPING OUT AN ENTIRE NATION WAS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN? DID I SAY THAT? PLEASE POST IT. IF NOT WHERE DO YOU GET THE NOTION THAT IT IS UNFORGIVABLE?
4.DID YESHUA SAY THAT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH WAS *UNFORGIVEN* OR DID HE SAY THAT WIPING OUT A NATION WAS UNFORGIVABLE? I SUGGEST THAT YOU STUDY THE GREEK AND HEBREW SCRIPTURES. HE IS CLEARLY **NOT** SPEAKING ABOUT MAN AS A WHOLE. FIRST OF ALL HE IS SPEAKING TO ONE PERSON. HE IS SPEAKING TO PILATE. IF HE WAS TALKING ABOUT *ALL* OF MAN KIND IT WOULD BE FUTILE AND USELESS FOR HIM TO USE THE WORD "GREATER" TO DESCRIBE THE SIN. CLEARLY A DISTINCTION IS MADE WHEN HE TELLS PILATE THAT HE HAS NO POWER OVER HIM AND THAT THE ONE WHO DELIVERED HIM HAS A GREATER SIN. 1.IF ALL MEN SIN. HOWEVER ALL MEN DO *NOT* SIN EQUALLY.
2.I SUGGEST *YOU* STUDY HEBREW SCRIPTURES AND THE TORAH LAW. IF THEY ARE EQUAL WHY IS HE ABOUT TO BE STONED? SURELY ADULTRY WAS A CRIME...THE SAME CRIME AS LYING? NO.
3.EVERYONE ***CANNOT*** BE FORGIVEN AS YESHUA HIMSELF SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ONE WHO BLASPHEMES AGAINST RAUCH HAKODESH IS ****NEVER**** FORGIVEN.
CLEARLY YOU HAVE SHOWN THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT ENDORSE YOUR VIEWS OF ALL SIN BEING THE SAME. YOU HAVE ALSO SHOWN THAT YOU DO *NOT* READ THE POSTS.
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
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PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
IN REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT "TERRORIST" FROM THE AFGHANS COMMITED THE ACT OF TERROR. WHAT HAVE I SAID ABOUT MY BELIEFS?? IM STILL A NIGGER IN THE EYES OF WHITE AMERICA....SO WHATS YOUR POINT? WHITE AMERICA (MEANING THE ELITE) HAS IT OUT FOR ME.....YOUR POINT IS WHAT? ARE THEY LOOKING AT ME LIKE "HE IS AMERICAN HE IS OK"? OF COURSE NOT. IF THEY DID YOU WOULDNT OF HAD A TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENT.
WHY WASNT THE AMERICAN TALIBAN KILLED? MY ****ANSWER**** WAS SPIRITUAL. IF YOU KNEW *ME* YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
HAVE I STATED WHAT MY RELIGION IS? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT MY RELIGION IS. PLEASE SHOW ME AN INSTANCE OF ME SAYING I FOLLOW A PARTICULAR RELIGION. IF I HAVE NOT STATED THAT I BELONGED TO ANY RELIGION HOW DO YOU APPLY THIS TO ME? IF THATS THE CASE JESUS IS A ****LIAR**** FOR SAYING THAT BLASPHEMY AGAINST A CERTAIN PARTY WAS ***UNFORGIVEN***.
IF SOMETHING IS FORGIVEN AND SOMETHING ELSE ISNT THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENCE. SIN IS **NOT** EQUAL IN GODS EYES (BY THE WAY IM *NOT* A "CHRISTIAN" NOR AM I A FOLLOWER OF CHRISTIANITY SO STOP ASSUMING) IF IT WERE YOU WOULD HAVE:
1.NO DIFFERENCE IN *PUNISHMENT* IN REGARDS TO DIFFERENT SINS AS STATED IN THE TORRAH.
2.GOD STATING THAT HE HATES ALL SIN THE SAME....YET HE *CLEARLY* STATES THAT HE HATES 7 OF THEM MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
3.NO NEED FOR GOD CALLING CERTAIN SINS ABOMINATIONS.
4.NO NEED FOR GOD STATING THAT FORNICATION WAS A *DIFFERENT* SIN THAN *ANYTHING* ELSE AND THE *ONLY* SIN COMMITED AGAINST ONES OWN BODY.
5. NO REASON FOR YESHUA TO SAY THAT THE MAN WHO DELIVERED HIM HAS THE ***GREATER*** SIN.
6.A CASE OF YESHUA SAYING THAT ONE SIN IS FORGIVEN AND ANOTHER ONE ISNT. I REFERENCED THEM BECAUSE ITS TRUE AND THEY SUPPORT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF SIN. PLEASE USE THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW ME THAT ALL SIN IS THE SAME AND GETS THE SAME TREATMENT (PUNISHMENT) IN THE END. IF ALL SIN IS THE "SAME" WHY DOES 1 JOHN 5:16-17 WHY DO WE HAVE A *DIFFERENCE* IN SIN AND THAT CERTAIN SINS LEAD TO DEATH???? YES I AM SPIRITUAL. I TRY TO WALK IN THE SPIRIT EVERYDAY. ITS *THE* HARDEST THING I HAVE EVER TRIED TO DO. WHEN DID GOD EVER INSTRUCT HIS PEOPLE TO COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? I ***SERIOUSLY*** ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE BOOK OF AMOS. 1.GOD WIPED OUT HUMANITY BEFORE.
2.CERTAIN WARS ARE ORDAINED BY GOD (AND SUPPORTED BY HIM)
3.WHO SAID THAT WIPING OUT AN ENTIRE NATION WAS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN? DID I SAY THAT? PLEASE POST IT. IF NOT WHERE DO YOU GET THE NOTION THAT IT IS UNFORGIVABLE?
4.DID YESHUA SAY THAT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH WAS *UNFORGIVEN* OR DID HE SAY THAT WIPING OUT A NATION WAS UNFORGIVABLE? I SUGGEST THAT YOU STUDY THE GREEK AND HEBREW SCRIPTURES. HE IS CLEARLY **NOT** SPEAKING ABOUT MAN AS A WHOLE. FIRST OF ALL HE IS SPEAKING TO ONE PERSON. HE IS SPEAKING TO PILATE. IF HE WAS TALKING ABOUT *ALL* OF MAN KIND IT WOULD BE FUTILE AND USELESS FOR HIM TO USE THE WORD "GREATER" TO DESCRIBE THE SIN. CLEARLY A DISTINCTION IS MADE WHEN HE TELLS PILATE THAT HE HAS NO POWER OVER HIM AND THAT THE ONE WHO DELIVERED HIM HAS A GREATER SIN. 1.IF ALL MEN SIN. HOWEVER ALL MEN DO *NOT* SIN EQUALLY.
2.I SUGGEST *YOU* STUDY HEBREW SCRIPTURES AND THE TORAH LAW. IF THEY ARE EQUAL WHY IS HE ABOUT TO BE STONED? SURELY ADULTRY WAS A CRIME...THE SAME CRIME AS LYING? NO.
3.EVERYONE ***CANNOT*** BE FORGIVEN AS YESHUA HIMSELF SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ONE WHO BLASPHEMES AGAINST RAUCH HAKODESH IS ****NEVER**** FORGIVEN.
CLEARLY YOU HAVE SHOWN THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT ENDORSE YOUR VIEWS OF ALL SIN BEING THE SAME. YOU HAVE ALSO SHOWN THAT YOU DO *NOT* READ THE POSTS.
HAVE A GOOD ONE.
:h:
PS EXCUSE ALL TYPOS.
OH BY THE WAY HERES ANOTHER THING I FORGOT TO MENTION:
1.I AM SAFE. NOT SAFE BECAUSE OF AMERICA,HER WEAPONS OR HER UP AND COMING MISSLE DEFENSE AND TECHNOLOGY. IM SAFE BECAUSE I KNOW *WHO* I AM. SO I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT *THIS* LIFE.
2.ONCE AGAIN ITS ***OBVIOUS*** THAT YOU DONT READ THE POSTS. I WAS *LEAD* TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY ***WERENT*** SAFE 7 DAYS ***BEFORE*** 9-11 EVEN TOOK PLACE.
3.I WILL NEVER DIE BECAUSE OF BEING "AMERICAN". A MARTYR FOR YESHUA? YES!!!! I HOPE FOR IT! IN FACT I LIVE FOR THAT MOMENT! DYING FOR AMERICA? NAW......
WHY WOULD I DIE FOR SOMETHING I DONT BELIEVE IN?
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2.ONCE AGAIN ITS ***OBVIOUS*** THAT YOU DONT READ THE POSTS. I WAS *LEAD* TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY ***WERENT*** SAFE 7 DAYS ***BEFORE*** 9-11 EVEN TOOK PLACE.
3.I WILL NEVER DIE BECAUSE OF BEING "AMERICAN". A MARTYR FOR YESHUA? YES!!!! I HOPE FOR IT! IN FACT I LIVE FOR THAT MOMENT! DYING FOR AMERICA? NAW......
WHY WOULD I DIE FOR SOMETHING I DONT BELIEVE IN?
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Here's a post from one of the greatest posters I've ever encountered on any message board named Noah African...He articulates so well it's ridiculous. But this is his post on the War on Iraq which I pretty much agree with...
He titled his post "Creating fear"
"Who actually believes that it is not the goal of the United States to over throw the government of Iraq and put into place a government that will work in favor of American interest…. as Saddam once did? Anyone who does not believe this needs to study geopolitical objectives, militarism, imperialism and economics over the last century. There are members of the Administration and corporate elites that are salivating over what can be gained from a puppet regime in Iraq. The reasons vary from the domino theory of placing a capitalistic secular democracy, friendly to the West, in the heart of the Arab world that would in theory create jealousy and dissent in neighboring countries for similar change. Then there are those who realize that oil is the lifeblood of the world’s economy and whomever controls the oil…controls the world. Thus, there are people who either want to profit from Iraqs oil supply and or plant the seeds of the ultimate removal of non secular-capitalistic-democracies from having the power over Western nations economic fate. Then there are those who simply want to finish off Saddam Hussein simply because they do not like him still being in charge while US leaders come and go.
People should realize the U.S. is doing everything that it believes that it can get away with, to find the convincing pretext that will give the public and world the rationalization for going to war with Iraq. Every war endeavor first starts with the ubiquitous propaganda of demonizing the enemy, for the purpose of creating fear in the hearts of citizens. The goal is to convince the people that a demon leader, nation or people will ultimately get us…. if we do not get them first. The administration has successfully done this, but it still has yet to provide evidence of how this demon is a direct threat to the U.S. and believe me…they are trying as hard as possible to come up with something. The fact that the administration is trying so hard, with all our advance technology, satellites, spies, spy plains and so forth, but yet still have not produces enough evidence tells me that either Iraq is more advanced than we are and circumvent our detection efforts, or the more plausible fact that they just are not a big threat to anyone, even though they may have some capabilities to produce mass destruction, which many nations have.
Just who amongst us would believe that our government could not or would not create or plant evidence against Iraq to serve as the pretext? How would we ever know that they did or did not? After we go to War and the U.S. forces secure the nation…who actually believes that the U.S will not produce a smoking gun? “Here it is everyone…. we told you they had it. Here is our justification”. To think that the U.S could go to War with Iraq, then never produce any evidence of weapons of mass destruction would be political suicide not just for the president, but for the legitimacy and image of the nation, which is already tarnished in the world opinion court. Hey, law enforcement does it often; they may raid a drug house and plant evidence of drugs when they cannot find any. The stakes are much higher in finding and presenting the smoking gun after this war. This begs the question, though, if they know were the stuff is, why do they not just launch a satellite guided missile and blow up the weapons and facilities that create it? Israel does this all the time and did it against Iraq in the past. Why do we need to risk world instability by taking over a nation, when we can just blow up the stuff that’s causing fear and danger? The answer is the fact that regime change is the motive much more so than are weapons of mass destruction. WMD is simply a pretext, but not the majority motive. It is simply used because it plays on the number one motivator of humanity…fear. Create fear and one thus creates rational for destruction of what is feared. Terrorist can get destructive capabilities from and increasing number of sources, including the former Soviet Union.
What Americans do not realize is that trust and patriotism in a democracy can often create the irony of a de facto dictatorship for its leaders."
He titled his post "Creating fear"
"Who actually believes that it is not the goal of the United States to over throw the government of Iraq and put into place a government that will work in favor of American interest…. as Saddam once did? Anyone who does not believe this needs to study geopolitical objectives, militarism, imperialism and economics over the last century. There are members of the Administration and corporate elites that are salivating over what can be gained from a puppet regime in Iraq. The reasons vary from the domino theory of placing a capitalistic secular democracy, friendly to the West, in the heart of the Arab world that would in theory create jealousy and dissent in neighboring countries for similar change. Then there are those who realize that oil is the lifeblood of the world’s economy and whomever controls the oil…controls the world. Thus, there are people who either want to profit from Iraqs oil supply and or plant the seeds of the ultimate removal of non secular-capitalistic-democracies from having the power over Western nations economic fate. Then there are those who simply want to finish off Saddam Hussein simply because they do not like him still being in charge while US leaders come and go.
People should realize the U.S. is doing everything that it believes that it can get away with, to find the convincing pretext that will give the public and world the rationalization for going to war with Iraq. Every war endeavor first starts with the ubiquitous propaganda of demonizing the enemy, for the purpose of creating fear in the hearts of citizens. The goal is to convince the people that a demon leader, nation or people will ultimately get us…. if we do not get them first. The administration has successfully done this, but it still has yet to provide evidence of how this demon is a direct threat to the U.S. and believe me…they are trying as hard as possible to come up with something. The fact that the administration is trying so hard, with all our advance technology, satellites, spies, spy plains and so forth, but yet still have not produces enough evidence tells me that either Iraq is more advanced than we are and circumvent our detection efforts, or the more plausible fact that they just are not a big threat to anyone, even though they may have some capabilities to produce mass destruction, which many nations have.
Just who amongst us would believe that our government could not or would not create or plant evidence against Iraq to serve as the pretext? How would we ever know that they did or did not? After we go to War and the U.S. forces secure the nation…who actually believes that the U.S will not produce a smoking gun? “Here it is everyone…. we told you they had it. Here is our justification”. To think that the U.S could go to War with Iraq, then never produce any evidence of weapons of mass destruction would be political suicide not just for the president, but for the legitimacy and image of the nation, which is already tarnished in the world opinion court. Hey, law enforcement does it often; they may raid a drug house and plant evidence of drugs when they cannot find any. The stakes are much higher in finding and presenting the smoking gun after this war. This begs the question, though, if they know were the stuff is, why do they not just launch a satellite guided missile and blow up the weapons and facilities that create it? Israel does this all the time and did it against Iraq in the past. Why do we need to risk world instability by taking over a nation, when we can just blow up the stuff that’s causing fear and danger? The answer is the fact that regime change is the motive much more so than are weapons of mass destruction. WMD is simply a pretext, but not the majority motive. It is simply used because it plays on the number one motivator of humanity…fear. Create fear and one thus creates rational for destruction of what is feared. Terrorist can get destructive capabilities from and increasing number of sources, including the former Soviet Union.
What Americans do not realize is that trust and patriotism in a democracy can often create the irony of a de facto dictatorship for its leaders."
I WANT TO GO TO SLEEP BUT IM NOT ALLOWED YET.
1.THE PLACE YOU GET THIS FROM IS JOHN 8:1-12. NO PERSON NAMED "MARY" IS EVER LISTED.
2.LETS DO A BREAK DOWN OF THE VERSE WHICH IS DIRECTED MORE AT THE MEN THAN THE WOMAN. IT HAS *NOTHING* TO DO WITH ALL MEN SINNING.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
NOW HERE ARE INTERESTING FACTS ABOUT THIS.
1.IN VERSE 3 AND 4 THE *WOMAN* IS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF JESUS. IN VERSE FOUR SHE IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE VERY ***ACT*** OF ADULTRY.
2.IN VERSE 5 THEY MENTION THE LAW OF MOSES AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. HERE IS WHAT THE LAW OF MOSES SAID IN REGARDS TO THIS SITUATION:DEUT 22:22 "IF A MAN IS FOUND LYING WITH A WOMAN MARRIED TO A HUSBAND, THEN BOTH OF THEM SHOULD DIE-THE MAN THAT LAY WITH THE WOMAN,AND THE WOMAN. SO YOU SHALL PUT AWAY THE EVIL FROM ISRAEL.
3.IN VERSE 6 THE **MOTIVES** OF THEIR JUDGEMENT AND CONDEMNATION ARE *NOT* DESCRIBED AS RIGHTEOUS. THEY DIDNT BRING HER TO HIM BECAUSE *SHE* DID WRONG. THEY BROUGHT HER TO HIM SO THEY COULD "TEMPT" HIM AND "ACCUSE" ***HIM***.
4.YOU HAVE ***NO*** SIGHTINGS OF A MAN. IF SHE WAS CAUGHT IN ADULTERY WHERE WAS THE MAN? WHY WASNT HE GOING TO BE STONED AS STATED BY THE LAW?
5.HOW CAN THESE MEN *CONVICT-CONDEMN* THIS WOMAN WHEN THEY ARE NOT CARRYING OUT THE LAW PROPERLY?
6.IN VERSE 7 HE DOES *NOT* SAY TO LET HER GO OR TO *NOT* STONE HER. HE SAYS THAT HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHOULD CAST THE STONE.
NOW IS THE SIN:
1.THE *FACT* THAT THESE MEN ARE TRYING TO **WRONGFULLY** CONVICT SOMEONE UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES?
2.IS THE SIN THE FACT THAT THE MEN DID THIS SO THEY CAN TRAP JESUS AND ACCUSE HIM?
3.OR DID EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A SIN AND SINCE WE ALL SIN WE CANT CONDEMN?
1 AND 2 IS YOUR ANSWER. NOT 3. IF ITS THREE YOU WOULD *NOT* HAVE TORAH.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU.
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1.THE PLACE YOU GET THIS FROM IS JOHN 8:1-12. NO PERSON NAMED "MARY" IS EVER LISTED.
2.LETS DO A BREAK DOWN OF THE VERSE WHICH IS DIRECTED MORE AT THE MEN THAN THE WOMAN. IT HAS *NOTHING* TO DO WITH ALL MEN SINNING.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
NOW HERE ARE INTERESTING FACTS ABOUT THIS.
1.IN VERSE 3 AND 4 THE *WOMAN* IS BROUGHT IN FRONT OF JESUS. IN VERSE FOUR SHE IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE VERY ***ACT*** OF ADULTRY.
2.IN VERSE 5 THEY MENTION THE LAW OF MOSES AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. HERE IS WHAT THE LAW OF MOSES SAID IN REGARDS TO THIS SITUATION:DEUT 22:22 "IF A MAN IS FOUND LYING WITH A WOMAN MARRIED TO A HUSBAND, THEN BOTH OF THEM SHOULD DIE-THE MAN THAT LAY WITH THE WOMAN,AND THE WOMAN. SO YOU SHALL PUT AWAY THE EVIL FROM ISRAEL.
3.IN VERSE 6 THE **MOTIVES** OF THEIR JUDGEMENT AND CONDEMNATION ARE *NOT* DESCRIBED AS RIGHTEOUS. THEY DIDNT BRING HER TO HIM BECAUSE *SHE* DID WRONG. THEY BROUGHT HER TO HIM SO THEY COULD "TEMPT" HIM AND "ACCUSE" ***HIM***.
4.YOU HAVE ***NO*** SIGHTINGS OF A MAN. IF SHE WAS CAUGHT IN ADULTERY WHERE WAS THE MAN? WHY WASNT HE GOING TO BE STONED AS STATED BY THE LAW?
5.HOW CAN THESE MEN *CONVICT-CONDEMN* THIS WOMAN WHEN THEY ARE NOT CARRYING OUT THE LAW PROPERLY?
6.IN VERSE 7 HE DOES *NOT* SAY TO LET HER GO OR TO *NOT* STONE HER. HE SAYS THAT HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHOULD CAST THE STONE.
NOW IS THE SIN:
1.THE *FACT* THAT THESE MEN ARE TRYING TO **WRONGFULLY** CONVICT SOMEONE UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES?
2.IS THE SIN THE FACT THAT THE MEN DID THIS SO THEY CAN TRAP JESUS AND ACCUSE HIM?
3.OR DID EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A SIN AND SINCE WE ALL SIN WE CANT CONDEMN?
1 AND 2 IS YOUR ANSWER. NOT 3. IF ITS THREE YOU WOULD *NOT* HAVE TORAH.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU.
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Here's a link that pretty much sums up this "all sins are equal argument" These aren't necessarily my views as I skimmed though this but yall get the picture...
www.gbronline.com/thewholetruth/blasphem.htm
www.gbronline.com/thewholetruth/blasphem.htm
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Originally posted by HERESY
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA?
OR
GOD DAMN AMERICA?
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by the way...
@HERESY did you get that message that i called last month? It was during the presidents S.O.T.Union speech. I was just gonna see if you were watching it, and if you noticed ho it was being taped (selective camera angles) on different issues.
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Originally posted by HERESY
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SAY GOD BLESS AMERICA?
OR
GOD DAMN AMERICA?
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by the way...
@HERESY did you get that message that i called last month? It was during the presidents S.O.T.Union speech. I was just gonna see if you were watching it, and if you noticed ho it was being taped (selective camera angles) on different issues.
@blight my brother told me some cat named "blaze" called. now since i pronounce your name "blight" (as in light iwth a b in front) i didnt know it was you. i didnt even watch teh speech? do you have a link to it online? that would be helpful.
@al-k. the link you gave CLEARLY shows that we have different sins and that ALL are forgiven EXCEPT for one.
THE MAIN REASON I SAY TO STUDY THE LAW IS SO ONE CAN GET A GRASP ON DIFFERENT TYPES IF SIN.
THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE:BURNT OFFERINGS, SIN OFFERINGS, AND TRESPASS OFFERINGS.
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@al-k. the link you gave CLEARLY shows that we have different sins and that ALL are forgiven EXCEPT for one.
THE MAIN REASON I SAY TO STUDY THE LAW IS SO ONE CAN GET A GRASP ON DIFFERENT TYPES IF SIN.
THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE:BURNT OFFERINGS, SIN OFFERINGS, AND TRESPASS OFFERINGS.
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@H
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"HOW COME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE A PROBLEM READING WHAT IS POSTED? I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE VEILS OVER YOUR EYES OR IF YOU HAVE SELECTIVE READING OR SIGHT. DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING?"
I read your post...
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"IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?"
I must ask you to give me an example, not within the bible, of "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost". Find something in your own personal experience of such a blasphemy. I am very interested in this...
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"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a ***jealous*** God,"
Shortly after saying that it speaks about the do's and don'ts of having a Hebrew servant. Thats when I realized that I had to let go of MY hebrew servant because I had been working him for almost 7 years. (lol) Clearly the bible was written in regards to the times. Whatever makes it best understandable to the people it was written for. Truth can be extracted...
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"2.(why would He...) GIVE US, HIS CREATION WHO HE MADE IN HIS OWN IMAGE THESE LOWLY HUMAN ATTRIBUTES?"
Did God **give** us the attribute to sin?? was sin in "His likeness"?
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"3.IF GOD DOES NOT ADHERE TO HUMAN TRAITS WHY/HOW CAN HE LOVE?"
Divine love is beyond human love. There is no divine hate. With divine love there is no room for any such "hate". If you feel otherwise you must have underestimated His love...
Jesus did not preach hate.
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"COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
I'll leave this to the philosophy which is vain and deceit...
*i'll get to the rest in a minute....
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"HOW COME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE A PROBLEM READING WHAT IS POSTED? I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE VEILS OVER YOUR EYES OR IF YOU HAVE SELECTIVE READING OR SIGHT. DID YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING?"
I read your post...
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"IF NO SIN HAS MORE WEIGHT OR SUBSTANCE THAN THE OTHER WHY DID YESHUA SAY BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE RAUCH HAKODESH IS "UNFORGIVEN"?"
I must ask you to give me an example, not within the bible, of "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost". Find something in your own personal experience of such a blasphemy. I am very interested in this...
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quote:
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a ***jealous*** God,"
Shortly after saying that it speaks about the do's and don'ts of having a Hebrew servant. Thats when I realized that I had to let go of MY hebrew servant because I had been working him for almost 7 years. (lol) Clearly the bible was written in regards to the times. Whatever makes it best understandable to the people it was written for. Truth can be extracted...
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"2.(why would He...) GIVE US, HIS CREATION WHO HE MADE IN HIS OWN IMAGE THESE LOWLY HUMAN ATTRIBUTES?"
Did God **give** us the attribute to sin?? was sin in "His likeness"?
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"3.IF GOD DOES NOT ADHERE TO HUMAN TRAITS WHY/HOW CAN HE LOVE?"
Divine love is beyond human love. There is no divine hate. With divine love there is no room for any such "hate". If you feel otherwise you must have underestimated His love...
Jesus did not preach hate.
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"COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
I'll leave this to the philosophy which is vain and deceit...
*i'll get to the rest in a minute....
@H (continued)
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"4.TO STATE THAT GOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE TRAITS OR EMOTIONS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS SOME SORT OF FORCE,LACKING ANY REAL PERSONALITY AND NOT IN TOUCH WITH HIS CREATION."
God's will is done, regardless. To get angry is something that happens in the heat of the moment. If you knew all your life that on June 17th, 2011 you were going to be betrayed by a good friend, would you be quite as angry? If God knows all, and He does, then in what moment can God be angry. HIS WILL IS DONE. Everything that happens is already known to him from His beginingless being. Would this then suggest that God is eternally angry? Deducing that God knew of these sins and that "He gets angry", it would suggest this. Therefore according to you God is eternally angry. Also, lets assume then that God is not eternally angry for a minute; If God knows of something which will make Him "angry" (lol), Then why would He allow it?
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"IF GOD DOES NOT EXPRESS THESE TRAITS WHY DOES GOD HIMSELF STATE THAT HE WAS SORRY FOR MAKING MAN? IS FEELING SORRY A FEELING OF REMORSE OR RECONSIDERATION?"
Then God must have been eternally sorry and full of remorse... Why did He do it? God knows all and is above time. So why did God make something He would be remorseful about? Go figure, Heresy...
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"4.TO STATE THAT GOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE TRAITS OR EMOTIONS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS SOME SORT OF FORCE,LACKING ANY REAL PERSONALITY AND NOT IN TOUCH WITH HIS CREATION."
God's will is done, regardless. To get angry is something that happens in the heat of the moment. If you knew all your life that on June 17th, 2011 you were going to be betrayed by a good friend, would you be quite as angry? If God knows all, and He does, then in what moment can God be angry. HIS WILL IS DONE. Everything that happens is already known to him from His beginingless being. Would this then suggest that God is eternally angry? Deducing that God knew of these sins and that "He gets angry", it would suggest this. Therefore according to you God is eternally angry. Also, lets assume then that God is not eternally angry for a minute; If God knows of something which will make Him "angry" (lol), Then why would He allow it?
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"IF GOD DOES NOT EXPRESS THESE TRAITS WHY DOES GOD HIMSELF STATE THAT HE WAS SORRY FOR MAKING MAN? IS FEELING SORRY A FEELING OF REMORSE OR RECONSIDERATION?"
Then God must have been eternally sorry and full of remorse... Why did He do it? God knows all and is above time. So why did God make something He would be remorseful about? Go figure, Heresy...
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Heres a good perspective on it....
These things are written to teach children. Children in the eyes of God. You have given me many great examples of a being who is beyond space and time speaking within the confines of space and time. If God did not speak in such a way the message would not get across to us in this temporal existence. If you can't look deeper than a literal interpretation then what good are the teachings to you???
"There is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path."
--Morpheus; The Matrix--
Heres a good perspective on it....
These things are written to teach children. Children in the eyes of God. You have given me many great examples of a being who is beyond space and time speaking within the confines of space and time. If God did not speak in such a way the message would not get across to us in this temporal existence. If you can't look deeper than a literal interpretation then what good are the teachings to you???
"There is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path."
--Morpheus; The Matrix--