Your thoughts on International Koran Burning Day? 9/11/2010

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I get that, however, the dude is "saying" the same thing whether he does it by burning books or by creating a website.

Creating a website and burning something of value to a large group of people is NOT "saying" the same thing.

So if the source of conflict was only with what the dude was saying, how he goes about spreading that message is irrelevant.

Adolph Hitler disagrees with you.

Would people be this upset if the dude was passing out fliers about why the Quran was bad?

Not as much, because passing out fliers isn't aggressive and violent.

If it's the message and not the medium, then they should be. I don't think they would be.

The message becomes much more "in your face" when tactics like BURNING are involved. Burning something represents destruction and decimation. Creating a website represents passive faggotism.

I guess if slave owners just told slaves "i dont like" and refrained from hitting them, the message would be just the same and powerful...right?

PS - Youre smarter than this. Really.

 

[BIG REESE LOC1]

LOL @ "passive faggotism" good one....I am now placing that term in my vocab

 

[Irishmutt]

what is burning the Quran on 9-11 going to accomplish??? what kind of ignorance could you hope to spread by angering any extremists?? what is the best thing they hope it will accomplish. protest away people burn flags stomp on the flag rip books but what does it really accomplish?? just another cheap publicity stunt by an attention WHORE.

 

[NovaFire]

He's just better at marketing than others. Burning shit gets people's attention. Burning books especially.

See:
Flag burning
Burning effiegies
Etc

Those all get a lot of attention. Sure you could pass our fliers about why the U.S. is bad, but it gets your message more attention if you burn a flag. You could create a website about why you don't like Obama, but if you burn some stuffed doll that looks like him it gets more attention than the website.

I don't believe people are bothered as much by the overt act of burning a flag or a voodo doll, but rather by what the message is.

In general I don't think Jews or Christians are all that bothered by someone using the Koran to wipe their ass, but when you take a whole pile of them and light them on fire as a publicity stunt they get pretty concerned about the can of worms you're opening.

I agree, it puts Islamic believers in a position where they have to respond to the overt gesture, and that is a very dangerous position to put someone in, especially in public. This christian dude is publicly declaring , "i got hate for you and i have no respect for you or your religion, what are you going to do about it"

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Flying jets into buildings if fuckin wrong.

carpet bombing entire cities is ok, though

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

so is believing the "official story" when there is a mountain of evidence contradicting it

Youre right

It was the jews

I was in a hit and run accident yesterday

Likely a convoluted Israeli plot

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Creating a website and burning something of value to a large group of people is NOT "saying" the same thing.

How not?

If the message the guy is "saying" is the Quran is bad (oversimplified for debate) then how he is saying it is irrelevant.

He could turn a Quran upside down or he could light 5,000 on fire.

His message through both actions, and hence what he is "saying" is - the Quran is bad.

He is saying the same by doing either.

Adolph Hitler disagrees with you.

You are pretty close to making a straw man argument here, but I will concede that my original statement was broad. Although I figured my intent could be deduced by the nature of the discussion.

To clarify:

"So if the source of conflict was only with what the dude was saying, how he goes about spreading that message is irrelevant. "...

...in terms burning books, passing out fliers, creating websites and such. Not killing people.

If this pastor starts killing people I would strongly disagree with him and argue to have him stopped by force.

If the pastor continues to burn books, I would disagree with him but argue that he should be able to do it with the same freedom I enjoy if I decide to burn a Duraflame in my fire place.

Not as much, because passing out fliers isn't aggressive and violent.

Exactly, but I don't see how passing out fliers is any more or less violent than burning a book.

The message becomes much more "in your face" when tactics like BURNING are involved. Burning something represents destruction and decimation. Creating a website represents passive faggotism.

Well that would really be relative to whom you ask.

If someone burned my picture to spread the message that I suck, and another person built a website to spread the message that I suck, I would be much more upset about the person who built the website because of it's broader reach and ability to propagate misinformation about me.

I guess if slave owners just told slaves "i dont like" and refrained from hitting them, the message would be just the same and powerful...right?

No but unless this pastor starts hitting people to spread his message we are talking about totally different, mismatched scenarios with a weak association at best.

PS - Youre smarter than this. Really.

Thanks, I guess lol!

The point of my OP was simply: If you get mad about some random dude burning a collection of words on paper then you are stupid :classic:

 

[MrDiamondFDC]

Not as much, because passing out fliers isn't aggressive and violent

Jihads ain't either.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

How not?

If the message the guy is "saying" is the Quran is bad (oversimplified for debate) then how he is saying it is irrelevant.

He could turn a Quran upside down or he could light 5,000 on fire.

His message through both actions, and hence what he is "saying" is - the Quran is bad.

He is saying the same by doing either.

You ever heard the phrase "its not what you say...its how you say it?" This applies here. Burning books on camera > website (that already exist, i might add) in this case. Burning ANYTHING that is related to a large group of people, notably a ethnicity of religion, is going to be harder as far as a message goes.

You are pretty close to making a straw man argument here, but I will concede that my original statement was broad. Although I figured my intent could be deduced by the nature of the discussion.

To clarify:

"So if the source of conflict was only with what the dude was saying, how he goes about spreading that message is irrelevant. "...

...in terms burning books, passing out fliers, creating websites and such. Not killing people.

If this pastor starts killing people I would strongly disagree with him and argue to have him stopped by force.

If the pastor continues to burn books, I would disagree with him but argue that he should be able to do it with the same freedom I enjoy if I decide to burn a Duraflame in my fire place.

There is nothing on a Duraflame log that insults 2 billion people.

Exactly, but I don't see how passing out fliers is any more or less violent than burning a book.

Really? I know yo have taking courses in psychology....apply them here to get WHY it is perceived as such.

Well that would really be relative to whom you ask.

Well, outside of YOU, everyone seems to agree with me. :ermm:

If someone burned my picture to spread the message that I suck, and another person built a website to spread the message that I suck, I would be much more upset about the person who built the website because of it's broader reach and ability to propagate misinformation about me.

While i see what you're saying..who are you? Did you crash planes into a building? Do you represent 2 billion people worldwide that are perceived by most in the west as a threat to damn near everyone? Are you a major argument in political positioning around the US?

No but unless this pastor starts hitting people to spread his message we are talking about totally different, mismatched scenarios with a weak association at best.

There is no association at all. I was merely showing you how something cvan be perceived through words vs. actions. Burning books that represent the religion > than building a faggy website in this day and age....period.

The point of my OP was simply: If you get mad about some random dude burning a collection of words on paper then you are stupid :classic:

LOL...that "collection of words" is a big deal to A LOT of people, that's the point. Book burning has ALWAYS been looked upon as a slap in the face. You should know that. The book being burned, in fact, are the words of "america's enemy" in the eyes of some US citizens, thus him doing it. Its not like he is burning Moby Dick.

The point of this is: burning something of sentimental/political/reilgious value to someone/group = one of the highest forms of disrespect. I mean, I shouldn't even have to spell that out for ANYONE on here. Thus me saying "you are smarter than that".

Yo can refute a website...you cant refute ashes.

 

[Rasan]

Flying jets into buildings if fuckin wrong.

believing that they flew jets into the twin towers is more wrong.

 

[MrDiamondFDC]

They are pigs and should be treated as such.

 

[JoMoDo]

Book burning is dangerous, and the antithesis of democracy and western philosophical ideals.

 

[MrDiamondFDC]

Freedom of speech and the right to protest are also American ideals. Islam is like the one thing that can't be touched by the liberal American press. I mean they could be throwing them in toilets instead of burning them. Muslims destroyed all kinds of Jewish texts and holy temples and the liberal media says nothing except we should be more tolerant.

Fuck tolerance. Muslims should assimilate if they want to live here and be treated fairly.

and fuck anybody that thinks 9/11 was an inside job. I knew a dude that died in the 2nd tower.

 

[Unknown Poet]

Here is my view on the matter. All religion was created to control you and your mind. You see there are people who have hidden knowledge and they laugh at all you who argue about is Christian or Muslim is right.

The reality is that all religion should be rejected. Especially because they are trying to make a one world religion. The UN is an enemy of freedom as well as the CFR, Bilderberg Group and any other globalist organization. All religions are secretly under their control.
Just like their hand is in government and other areas of Society as well as colleges etc.

You must step back and and look at all evidence all information from a FREE mind. Don't submit to what the media or your pastor says. They are not your masters. They don't give you your power or you life.

The so called powers that be want to take away all your freedom. That is their end goal. And they want 90 percent depopulation. This is the only reality. And you either stand for freedom or enslavement. Religions , political parties, institutions the media, were all created to distract you from the true enemy of the the free people.

Make your choice now, before it is to late. All you need to do is read and the information is right in front of you! But everyone rather stay entertained by the latest celeb gossip... or they argueing about irrelevent subjects...

But there are those of us who do THINK. Not all of us are useless eaters they have refered to us.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Freedom of speech and the right to protect are also American ideals.

This is really all that needs to be said. You can disagree with it all you want, but he has every right to do it.

And while I think its retarded, it doesn't matter...he should if he feels it is necessary.

Freedom of speech >

 

[2-0-Sixx]

This is really all that needs to be said. You can disagree with it all you want, but he has every right to do it.

And while I think its retarded, it doesn't matter...he should if he feels it is necessary.

Freedom of speech >

this goes without saying, which is why no one will stop it. Doesn't mean it's right.

You have to ask yourself if what you are doing is fucking moronic or not though.

It's like poking at a hornets next with a two inch stick. I'm doing this because I can. Is it smart?

Or going to Harlem in the dead of night dressed as a Klansman (McDiamond can provide the clothing). You have the right to do this. Will you get hurt or killed? Most likely!

So in the end, this koran burning it will (hopefully) get him killed and we already know it's going to be used to recruit more members by the radicals and it will most definitely spark more violence and kill more american troops.

 

[ColdBlooded]

So in the end, this koran burning it will (hopefully) get him killed

If I could get away with it I'd do it.

 

[LyfeCentenz]

where did this newfound collective bigotry towards the muslim faith come from? Seems there's been a jump in the us vs. them mentality in the last few months.. not sure if people are just getting brave and voicing their hatred they've always quietly had or what... but seems there's been a sudden jump in intolerance lately.. really shows how unaware and asleep people's minds are in this country

 

[KillaKali]

^that's the point to the game... how many ignorant, egotistic people would burn any religious book their opposed to if they got some sort of praise for it in the long run?? after seeing a "preacher" getting mainstream light on this whole mumbo jumbo, there will be future events that make the average joe feel he'd like to do the same and probably will which will be promoted to us, the viewers. all to "make a statement" when in reality it's only creating more chaos and confusion amongst us as people. i'm not for any religious group personally but this is a mainstream attempt (and completion) to bring back the racial/ethnic hate card for the next upcoming moves. With people of such low intelligence in todays society and carefully crafted to be molded the way they are, hate hate hate will be the after effect. this is perfect to create gossip, and mixed (lost) opinions which in return keeps people thinking they are any different than the next man. ignorance will reign supreme by getting most coverage & attention by media which will make people come out and purposely be crossing barriers to prove 'their' state of mind. this is just another hidden tactic being used not knowing the influence it'll have amongst the majority of people (which are the ignorant)

 

[KillaKali]

where did this newfound collective bigotry towards the muslim faith come from? Seems there's been a jump in the us vs. them mentality in the last few months.. not sure if people are just getting brave and voicing their hatred they've always quietly had or what... but seems there's been a sudden jump in intolerance lately.. really shows how unaware and asleep people's minds are in this country

^^^EXACTLY!! its aimed for future moves that will further twist & turn things. same with the balloni they were feeding us with mexico and all the cartel, killings, etc. it's to promote hate which americans have very well in their built in culture. i'm convinced anything you see out of your pupil can and most likely in this day and age be used against you. ESPECIALLY any current events/conflicts that are brought up on a mainstream level.

& lol @ obammer pretending to be the "jesus" of todays norm and supposedly telling this preacher to not go thru with it. these fools know whats up, i wont be fooled by it.